http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1489226-premier-league-is-the-epl-weaker-than-la-liga-and-the-bundesliga

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@tdot2barca: When someone from La Liga other than Barcelona wins the CL, or, the next time someone other than Barcelona wins La Liga, then I think that will be a good point. Truly though, so long as Barca and Real continue to take turns breaking records (points, goals, wins, you name it...) upon the rest if the league, it's a little hard to accept the argument that the league is full of untapped brilliance.

It's true that most of the star talent in the PL has come from abroad, but, not just from La Liga. I haven't seen many transfers from the Bundesliga to Spain, but there have been tons to the Premier League. Brazillians, too, and Argentines. A fair bit of Dutch thrown in there, some Italian blood, the best from Eastern Europe, a French legacy and, yes, some Spanish artistry. Not to mention the most competitive environment in the world, where relegation scraps are as exciting as title races, often affecting one another greatly, of course.

THAT's the Premier League. 

And yes, that's why it's dominated.

As you say, times always change, cycles end, and I agree. But so long as Barcelona and Madrid have all the clout, pulling power, connections and wealth from TV exposure, I don't think La Liga as a league is going to be taking the next turn.

I guess we'll have to see how the next couple of seasons go.

Lodatz, this is because Real and Madrid are two of the best teams ever historically, of course they will be taking turns breaking records. Not every team can do what they can do. I feel as if Real Madrid is being criticized a little too heavily this season because of their poor form in the league, but every team goes through times like these and they will bounce back for sure. As they say, La Liga is not a two horse horse, it is a two beast race - the horses are there to beat the EPL teams (lol).

But it's not just their poor form in the league; they came second in a group containing Ajax, Manchester City and Dortmund. They only won away against Ajax, and they had a very lucky night against Manchester City at home.

Who knocked them out, last year? It was Bayern, who were beaten by a Chelsea that also knocked out Barcelona (for the 2nd time in recent years, not to mention their victory over Barca in the 2006/07 Group Stage). Sure they've managed to get into the last 16, but now they're up against Manchester Utd.

Like I'd said before, if they win that, then we'll be talking. But if they don't, they don't belong anywhere near the term 'best team ever', and it's doubtful we should even call them currently one of the best in Europe. Real Madrid have some proving to do to the world, despite the point they made last season. 

In the last four years they've crashed out to Bayern (11/12 SF), Barcelona (10/11 SF), Lyon (09/10 R16) and Liverpool (08/09 R16), and they've only won their own league once, currently sitting in behind Atletico Madrid; a team who didn't even qualify for the CL, despite winning the EL.

La Liga's pride and joy has been Barcelona, man. Even this Real were assembled just to try and stop them, and that rivalry is the only reason anyone is looking at La Liga at all. I'm sorry to be blunt, but, I'm getting cranky before bedtime. :p

Sorry to double-post, but, to follow on from that, you have to appreciate that while the current El Clasicos are not-to-be-missed games, and their rivalry is as intense as ever, this Barcelona team is the real case for the 'best team ever'. And I think they are, without a doubt, the greatest club team in history.

But in Europe, outside of La Liga, their rivals haven't been Real. Their rivals have been Manchester Utd, who beat in two finals (08/09, 10/11) and who knocked them out in 07/08, and Chelsea who they've beaten twice (06, 11), but also have been knocked out by twice (04/05, 11/12), and beaten by them in 2006/07 in the Group Stage, too. Add to that the fact that Liverpool knocked Barcelona out 2006/07 , and they had to beat Arsenal to win the 2005/06 Final, and I think you'll find that aside from Inter beating them in 2009/10, the true European rivalry has been Barcelona vs the Premier League, in this period of such Catalan magnificence...

Paints a different picture, when you look at it that way, doesn't it? ;)

I agree with you 100% Lodatz. This argument is about which league is better. So to bring another argument to the table, La Liga players that are transferred to the EPL always do well. Look at Silva, Aguero, Cazorla, Arteta, Toure, Alonso, etc. They all excelled in that league. But players from the EPL to La Liga never excel, they either play poorly or average. Like Gudjohnsen, Song, Modric, Owen, For instance, look at Modric. He at Spurs was the best player on the team and one of the top players in the league. He has come to Madrid and looks completely trash, even against the lower placed teams in the league that many of you EPL fans call "weak, easy". People thought he was better than the likes of Ozil, Di Maria, but to be honest it was only because he looked good playing against the REAL weak teams, which are the lower placed EPL teams. Don't get me wrong, there are players who have excelled such as Van Nistelroy, Ronaldo, Beckham, etc. But these were already proven talents that have been paid a lot of money for. You would not be able to buy a rising talent from the EPL and expect him to do well in  La Liga, simply because to play in Spain, you need to be a lot more SMART. Smart people always do well in the world and players from La Liga are smart, that is why they always do well in England. Football smart is being technical and EPL players have no technicality, while La Liga players are full of it. People think Wilshere is amazing, if he came to Barcelona then Busquets (one of the most underrated players) would keep him on the bench, just like he did to Song and Toure, two players who excel(led) in the EPL.

@20ROBINVANPERSIE are you mad? Ever heard of Casillas, Pinto, Courtois?

hey Dynastian when you said 8 wins for la liga 1 win for EPL and 1 draw between 10 matches. EPL fans mean EPL is better because each new season there is something new like man u lose 8 point gap lose epl last second they dont mean the teams are better they mean EPL has more excitement and drama.

@tdotbarca2: Well, hang on a second, how many players came from La Liga and simply couldn't cut it?

And as for PL --> La Liga transfers, um, who is it that trained up Xavi Alonso, and Javier Mascerano? It was Liverpool. Who trained up Fabregas? It was Arsenal. Who trained Ronaldo? It was Manchester United. Pique? Also Man Utd. 

These are some of the cream of the current two monster teams in Spain. 

And who said that Gudjohnsen was a flop? He was their 4th highest scorer (behind Ronaldinho, Eto'o and Messi) in 2006/7, and their highest scorer in the CL that year. He played 34 times in 2007/08, and that's after the arrival of Henry. A forward player at the end of his prime, at one of the greatest clubs in the world, sharing a squad with Ronaldinho, Messi, Henry, Eto'o... we should all be so lucky, or so much of a 'flop'. 

Michael Owen? The Madristas had a song about Owen, after he left, demanding that Perez buy him back again. :p That's how much of a flop Owen was. And again, that's in a team with Ronaldo, Figo and Raul Gonzalez with whom to compete for a starting spot. Again, we should all be so lucky. ;)

Just because Modric hasn't played well enough to dislodge the likes of Mezut Ozil and Angel Di Maria in his first season is hardly a sign of how 'crap' he is, and you just wait until they actually start using him properly. He'll be a revelation, I promise you. ;)

Also, no-one has said that La Liga are not producing great players; the problem is that these players are not staying where they gained their reputation. So long as the Spanish clubs have no money, and/or crippling debts, they will simply continue to feed these players to the PL, to Germany, or to Madrid and Barcelona. 

Already there are rumours abound for the latest exciting players: Isco at Malaga, Aspas at Celta Vigo, Benat and Canas at Real Betis... none of these players are expected to still be there this time next year. Yes, the canteras in Spain are producing talent at a rate we've rarely ever seen, and it's amazing to watch, but hardly any of that talent actually stays in the league, unless it's for the bright lights of the Big 2.

Therefore, that talent isn't really the strength of the league. It's providing strength to others, instead.

I mean, consider the French League. Even more than La Liga, the EPL is constantly snapping up players from Ligue 1. Every single year about 10 (at least) players from Monpellier, Rennes, Lyon, Marseilles etc etc make their way to England, and many become our big stars. Does that mean Ligue 1 is one of the best in the world?

Not by most people's reckoning. Then again, Ligue 1 doesn't have a Barcelona, or a Real Madrid. Well, they have the new PSG, who will have a chance to earn their stripes against Valencia. Who do you think the favorite is? 

Do you see what I mean, dude? No-one is disputing the wealth of talent that La Liga teams are producing. But until they stay there, until their clubs have the financial ability to keep them, it doesn't contribute to the strength of the league.

You may be proud of the fact that Silva and Mata have been shining in the PL, but ask yourself: why did they leave? For the same reason as Ronaldo left for Madrid, and Fabregas left for Barcelona. Lot's of money, and to play at a bigger club. They're PL players, now...

I'll leave it to Del Bosque himself to say: http://www.espnstar.com/football/premier-league/news/detail/item704775/Del-Bosque-hails-English-influence/

So, on behalf of the PL to the Spanish national team: you're welcome. ;)

@MRarsenal500: Your reply to Dynastian shows why you should bother to read my long paragraphs. ;) 

lodatz i wonder how you are in real life talking to someone constantly non-stop chat lol

just to randomly say, La liga wins on one thing by absolute miles - Their true brilliance of acting. Can't beat it.

to be completely honest.. all of us are starting to fallter over as time goes on.
despite Chelsea winning last year witch was out of the blue (congrats to you guys)

United and city went out early in the UCL  last season and then early in the Europa.

Spurs were eliminated early from the Europa in the groups and Fulham too..
Chelsea and city made early exits this season, While Arsenal is doing well in consistently making the Knockout rounds but since 05-06 when they made it to paris they rarely made it further then the quarters bar once in 08-09.

and other English preformances in the Europa league have been very mediocre for the last 8 or 9 years.
I remember that stretch of time where every season there would be 3 out of 4 teams in the semi finals be english in the UCL..
other leagues have gained strength since then.
Now in both Europa and UCL English teams going far is slimmed down to 1 instead of the many good preformers we had all at once where the only ones that could elminate us was eachother haha.
and our preformances in Europe since our domestic resurgance in 2006 has not been very good bar once in our UCL sprint in 2010-2011. so dont think im excusing myself from this here.

Let me ask you, COYS, has the target for Spurs been to win the Europa League, or to get in to the Champions League spots?

I think the answer to that question will show how hard we, in England, try to succeed in the EL.

Again, this year has been bad, with Chelsea and Manchester City (who I think are feeling the pressure, now, of having to compete with Chelsea, Man Utd and the others in more than one competition) flunking out early, but also don't forget that Arsenal are facing Bayern, and Man Utd are facing Real.

If either of them were facing anyone other than these two, or Barca, from this current field, would you expect them to progress? I bet you would.

In other news, Swansea just beat Stoke 3-0, without Michu scoring... ;)

Well United was eliminated in a weak group last season and then lost to much less powerful athletic bilbao in the EL knockouts.
And Chelsea was eliminated from a group where they were favoured to be superior over 2 of there 3 opponents this season.. Last season spurs  were eliminated from a group containing Rubin Kazan PAOK and Shamrock rovers (and be honest we have  a much stronger squad then all 3 of them), and last season Fulham were also eliminated early as well as birmingham city (though there elimination was excpected,, though they did good for a second tier club)

and also just because the british clubs get eliminated by High level opposition from abroad doesnt give us an excuse because we have to show our nerve!

British clubs used to do great against these guys!
I remember when Liverpool smashed real Madrid 5-0 on aggregate and United smashed AC Milan 7-2 on Aggregate and killing Roma 7-1 and Arsenal eliminating the likes of Juventus and Real Madrid.

Now we are all going out early and our competitiveness on the European stage as a unit continues to fade more every season.

now we would have every other team be horrible and 1 team do well just once ,while we used to have multiple clubs in the Semi's if you remember and we would just eliminate eachother cause nobody else can.

La Liga and the Bundesliga are gaining ground on us guys.. be careful. and when i talk about la liga.. no im not just talking rm and barca.. notice that Atletico madrid have won 2 of the past 3 europa leagues and last season's final was all la liga?

turns to a more even ball game every season that passes by.

It's true, COYS; La Liga have been winning a lot of 2nd tier football competitions.

SPURS to win the EL.. that might be a to high of a target.. if you look to all the teams except some rumenian and belarus ones there are almost all good quality

Hey, for my part, I'd love to see Spurs give it a serious try. AVB has said he takes it seriously, and he won it with Porto, so maybe this year will be a little different. Would make a nice change from sending our our reserve side in the Europa League, which we did under Redknapp every year.

But then again, I don't claim that Spurs are becoming one of the best teams in Europe. All the same, I'd love to see match-ups between Spurs and Dortmund, Schalke, Malaga and Valencia. 

the only teams to win the UCL(recently) have been United and Liverpool really... Chelsea just last year.. but other then that who else?
Nottingham forest and Aston Villa are SUPER OLD! ..
While Valencia and Villareal actually have much more recent trips to the semi's/finals.

Valencia went to the final in  and 2000 and 2001. while Villareal went to the semi final in 2005-2006, being narrowly eliminated to Arsenal 1-0 on aggregate.