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Premier League: Is the EPL Weaker Than La Liga and the Bundesliga?
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Vendetta 12 years ago
Chelsea FC, Egypt 202 3025

La Liga in the bottom in my opinion. EPL in the middle. Bundesliga on top. Or Bundesliga and EPL on the same level, but Bundesliga is a bit higher.

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Lodatz 12 years ago
Tottenham Hotspur, England 150 4992

The Bundesliga teams other than Bayern have a lot to prove before we start hailing them too greatly.

Porto won in 2004, and Monaco were their opponents. Were either of them heard from again, in the Champions League? You can't base claims of a league's superiority on one abnormal season of results.

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Vendetta 12 years ago
Chelsea FC, Egypt 202 3025

I'm talking about more than that. I see Bundesliga teams being the most stable financially, dominating currently, and great atmospheres(something that I see is lost in the EPL). There current teams in the CL were dominating the group stages. Obviously, it only seems as if there are only 2 teams with a chance of winning the Bundesliga but to be fair, a lot mid-table clubs from the Bundesliga would thrash EPL mid-table teams. But, if you don't want to take my word for it than take SAF's. He wrote something about Bundesliga tied with EPL and in 2 years time will be better.

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Lodatz 12 years ago
Tottenham Hotspur, England 150 4992

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the Bundesliga teams are crummy; far from it. I agree with everything that is said about the steady improvement of the overall league, and it is a fool who doesn't respect German football at the worst of times, let alone when their top club has been such a big hitter in these recent seasons.

I'm just saying: there's a lot to be proven, here, before it becomes fact. 

Chelsea are in transition between generations; they'll be back, and the young quality they have will pay dividends. Manchester City are still new boys on the block, and they too have a lot to prove before we can consider them a big name in UEFA competitions. Arsenal are having decline issues, as are Liverpool. But, in their stead are rising Tottenham and Everton, and I would pit either of those two against the top German sides, and expect a pretty evenly matched fight.

Even Real have a lot to prove, despite how much of a point they made last season in their league -- notice they've now collapsed. If they beat Man Utd, then yes, they're one of the new heavyweights, but if they don't, then it's really, again, down to Barcelona, Man Utd, and Bayern again, as it has been for the last 4 or 5 years.

Honestly, I think that article is knee-jerk reporting, at best. When Schalke and Dortmund start reaching semi-finals at a regular level, then we can talk about a power-shift. Until then, it's just an abnormal season.

That's my two pennies, at any rate.

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Vendetta 12 years ago
Chelsea FC, Egypt 202 3025

At this rate I see Dortmund, Schalke, or Bayern(most likely) to actually make it to the semi finals. But you make a good point.

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quikzyyy 12 years ago Edited
Arsenal 429 9010

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I just can't see that any league is better than EPL

koldimere 12 years ago
Arsenal, Germany 86 974

Opinions are opinions. Here's mine. 

  1. EPL
  2. Bundesliga
  3. La Liga
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Jeffrey_Hazard 12 years ago
Chelsea, France 81 456

but how come la liga players that came to the pl adapt so fast

michu,mata,cazorla etc

it always makes me wonder

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rescue_secure 12 years ago
England 25 1357

players who have gone to the la liga ave been an instant hit! but not the other way around.. 2 of the primary examples are ronaldo who found it way easier to score in the la liga than in the league, and david de gea who was a great keeper in laliga but hez findin life very hard here in the EPL!

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raimondo90 12 years ago
Valencia, Argentina 89 2492

Its all opinion based, i have to admit that EPL is only hailed as the best due to its sheer popularity. In most countries the EPL is fully covered while La Liga and Bundesliga have partial coverage. Each league also happens to have a different style of its own, EPL being more aggressive and physical, La liga being more technical and Bundesliga is a fast paced quick game. All leagues will have entertaining clashes (ManU-ManC, Barca-Madrid, Munich-BVB) but some people are just ignorant to the real quality of other teams and don't really bother to learn anything about the league. Most people here (heavy emphazise in most and not all) that judge La Liga don't really watch most games besides Barca and Madrid games. Whats the last time anyone here watched a Valencia-Villarreal? Think of this, La liga mostly consist of home grown players with a few foregin players, so does Bundesliga. But the EPL lack that homegrown talent and require to buy talent from every league to keep it competitive. That is the EPL biggest weakness.

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Vendetta 12 years ago
Chelsea FC, Egypt 202 3025

How does not using homegrown talent a weakness? It's not like it's bad or against football rules.

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raimondo90 12 years ago
Valencia, Argentina 89 2492

Its a weakness in that it doesnt have the pride of having English players playing in englad. That can also weaken the national team, which it already has. England's national team has been average at best because most of the top players are old and they don't really grow much talent. The league should be responsible for growing talent but its been buying all talent. The FA are aware of this problem and they are trying to impliment laws to make teams have around 7 players that have played in an English youth setup. 

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MRarsenal500 12 years ago
Arsenal, England 59 741

i dont really like bundesliga and la liga really. the only teams i like in la liga to watch is barca, real madrid, atletico madrid, abit of malaga, valencia and athletic bilbao. and only teams i like to watch in bundesliga is bayern, dortmund, schalke and a few other middle teams 

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DonAndres 12 years ago
Barcelona 62 1138

@Vendetta
Its different to buy all the players from other leagues and produce your own.
If a team give chances to young players come from the youth academy and after a few years those players are world class you feel something like Pride!
Of course,a league cannot exist only with producing players and not spend to buy players but when a league(La Liga,Bundesliga for instance) manage to be competetive with the 70% of players coming from the academy or small er local teams.I think a league is more successful when they have worked too hard to produce that than when you just buy it(when its already ready).
One great example is Dortmund for me,with a young players coming from academy,or local clubs in germany they managed to make a team full of talent.BVB are proud of this.Not only for making a strong team but also for watching their team winning the league/Cup against one of the best teams around with one of the biggest budgets,or when finishing at the 1st place in a group with Real Madrid and Manchester City.
Its more difficult to succeed after choosing this way which is of course much harder than City's one(Buy a whole team).
I Mean you are so happy when you know that you have worked years and years in order to finally make your dream come true rather than having somethin ready.
I Hope you understand what i am try to tell to you.
Of course i am not trying to compare leagues or something like this just trying to explain you my point of you.
You can replace Dortmund with Valencia,Everton,Schalke,Ajax and City with Real Madrid(lately years),Paris Saint Germain etc.
No offence of course ;)

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Lodatz 12 years ago
Tottenham Hotspur, England 150 4992

@raimondo90: I definitely agree that it's hurt the English national side to have relied so greatly on transfers in the Premier League era -- believe me, it's been a long-standing bone of contention, and Arsenal fans may remember how much stick they received for how foreign their squad of Invincibles was. 

However, that's also the very same formula that elevated Serie A to prominence for 15-20 years (well, that and the fact that English teams were banned for 5 years). The world's best players all gravitated toward Serie A, because that's where the world's best was being showcased.

Can you say that this didn't help the Italian national side grow and evolve? They've been pretty successful.

But there's also a problem with the 'homegrown' approach that you've mentioned. Sure, it's true that the Bundesliga grow youth brilliantly, and lately they've gotten better at hanging onto their talent, which is surely what has helped. That's what has meant all teams rising together, which is not something you can say of all leagues...

If you take La Liga, for instance, let's look at their contributions both in Europe, and to the Spain national team:

In the last decade, the ONLY Spanish finalists in the CL have been Barcelona. The only Spanish semi-finalists have been Barca and Real, and Real only in the last 2 or 3 seasons. La Liga have just as many CL slots available as the Bundesliga and the EPL, and yet we've seen pretty much only Barcelona holding up the La Liga flag. 

But, what about the national team? Well:

  • when Spain won in 2008, 5 of their starting XI played for Barca or Real. 2 played for English clubs (plus one of the subs used), and the other 4 were from other La Liga clubs.
  • when Spain won in 2010, 9 of their starting XI played for Barca or Real, and only 2 played for the rest of La Liga (with 2 of the subs used playing in England).
  • when Spain won in 2012, 10 of the first XI played for Barca or Real, the other 1 playing in England, and none of the 3 subs used playing for other La Liga teams.

Do you notice the trend? Aside from the big 2, La Liga itself is providing hardly anything to the national side, and it's gotten even worse in the last 4 years, to the point where not a single Spanish player on the pitch in a Euro Final plays for a team other than you-know-who or a PL club.

England used to have this problem too, you know. Before Abramovic bought Chelsea, it was Man U vs Arsenal, every single year. Hardly anyone else ever got a look-in. But then came the Russian billions, and suddenly the entire dynamic changed. We didn't have a Big 2 anymore, we had a Big 4. Then Man City did the same thing, and has widened the field even further, with at least 6 teams all fighting for CL football, fairly evenly. 

That competitiveness is what's has been the reason for the PL's dominance of the last decade -- and it's come as a result of all this buying up players from the Bundesliga and La Liga. If it were not for Barcelona, the PL would have won 3 more CL trophies in the last 10 years. And as we can see above, Barcelona is not only a special case, but also something which sits utterly apart from the rest of their league. 

This is why, no matter what you say about preferring style, etc, La Liga simply cannot claim to be anywhere near as good of a league. And it's going to just get worse, as any good players who emerge from it are going to be bought either by Barca, Real, or an English/German club.

By contrast, and the reason why you can say that the Bundesliga is rising for true, is because they have neither the problem of a 2-horse race (as there is in Spain) and their TV rights duopoly, nor of billionaire playboys (as there are in England) creating wealth divides. All the teams there are rising on merit, and once they stop selling, they will be something scary.

That's all well and good, and I believe that the Bundesliga is now going to be one of the biggest and best leagues in the world.

But, it still has to prove it, first. ;)

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raimondo90 12 years ago
Valencia, Argentina 89 2492

I don't believe in judging a league based on a couple teams performance in CL. It doesn't do the league justice plus the fact that some teams preform better in cups than in league and viceversa. Bilbao last year reached 2 finals, Copa del Rey and Europa but in La Liga finished a measly mid table. It's equivelant as saying the group of death, wich had the German Spanish English and Dutch champions, that Spain and Germany are strongest because the two champions succeeded. As you can see its a bogus claim and in no way represents a whole league. 

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Lodatz 12 years ago
Tottenham Hotspur, England 150 4992

I agree with you. But that's precisely my point: La Liga's only real claim to fame over the last ten years in terms of world football is Barcelona, and the 6 out of 11 starting players that Barcelona provide to the Spanish national side (alongside the 4 from Madrid). It's not like the 3 different champions of Europe that the PL has produced in the same time frame. Barcelona's exceptional case is not indicative of the quality of their league; when was the last time Barca lost to anyone other than Real, in the league? I bet it was a while back. They have only one single draw this season -- every other game has been a win.

La Liga is nowhere near the level of Barca, who have been beaten by PL, Bundesliga and Serie A teams in Europe all decade long. 

This is why when people try to claim otherwise, I just have to shake my head.

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Lodatz 12 years ago
Tottenham Hotspur, England 150 4992

Oh, wait, Bayern haven't beaten Barca, have they?

That means it's only Chelsea (twice) and Inter. 

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20ROBINVANPERSIE 12 years ago
Manchester United, England 26 349

no just that la liga has stupid goalies

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