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Premier League: Is the EPL Weaker Than La Liga and the Bundesliga?
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Lodatz 12 years ago
Tottenham Hotspur, England 150 4992

I think it's more of a scaled-down version of the Valdes situation. He's really not that good a keeper, but he's a much-better-than-average player of the ball than most goalies. That's what matters to Barcelona, and that's why he works well for them. His defense and his team try to keep him safe so he doesn't have to actually do that much goalkeeping, and he participates more than most goalkeepers in the flow of the team itself.

I believe that many of the La Liga teams have developed a similar style, but with nothing like the quality of Barcelona and Valdes, so when they come up against a strike-force the likes of Barca's, they just get ripped to shreds.

See, the thing is, I do watch La Liga. ;) Their games are won and lost in midfield, and right now, the greatest Spanish midfield of all time is concentrated in (nearly) one place.

It's that bottleneck of talent that causes the divide, and I think that's helped out a lot by the share of television rights. If that were more even, then sure, maybe the other teams would have a chance to hang onto their homegrown talent, instead of taking the money from their sales to cover their club debts. Lack of television revenue hurts these clubs hard. :/ 

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devilz 12 years ago
Manchester United, England 47 670

^ and united, in our 2008 champions league success (ahhh the days of ronaldo and tevez, althought now tevez is a c*nt) but anyway, to the topic. I think - 1. EPL
                                                        2. Bundesliga
                                                        3. La liga

I think the EPL and Bundesliga are pretty tied tbf, i love to watch the Bundesliga when i can if they are decent teams. But whereas i think (my opinion) that la liga is so bloody slow and boring to watch. I even think the el classico's are boring to watch. Im not hating, that's my genuine opinion. However, whereas teams in the Bundeslia and la liga may have a few more better quality teams than the prem, the EPL is by far the most entertaining league out of the 3, partly because it is so unpredictable. And the issue with homegrown talent? wtf? yeah okay, most big teams have foreign players in the EPL, but all of the 'smaller' teams (well, most of them) are mainly made up of British players. 

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devilz 12 years ago
Manchester United, England 47 670

when i posted that comment it was when lodatz said chelsea and bayern are the only teams to beat barca, btw.

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raimondo90 12 years ago
Valencia, Argentina 89 2492

Like I've said its all a matter of opinion. Each league have strengths and weaknesses. But as Lodatz said the EPL only has 4 contenders only because 2 are filthy rich. Take that away and its potentionally a 2 horsed league but Arsenal wouldnt be able to hold against ManU and itd be all United. If La Liga had 2 filthy rich teams lets say Malaga and Valencia then it surely would be the same as EPL. 

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Lodatz 12 years ago
Tottenham Hotspur, England 150 4992

@devilz: sorry for forgetting about Man U.

And yes, actually, you're bang-on about the youth angle. It's been pretty understated just how well the youth teams in England have been doing. You just wait till SAF buys Zaha -- he's like a young Ronaldo, or an English Neymar. Add that to Cleverly, Young, Welbeck, and that's not exactly poor.

Who else? Well, there's Wilshire, Gibbs, Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlain over at the Emirates. There's Walker, Naughton and Lennon at White Hart Lane. We have a Cahill at Chelsea and a Lescott at Man City, and don't forget Richards.

Add this to the teenagers who have been ripping it up in NextGen teams, and I happen to think the English youth are looking pretty promising, for all the influx of these Oscars, Hazards and Agueros... ;)

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Lodatz 12 years ago
Tottenham Hotspur, England 150 4992

@raimondo90: We know the difference has been money, dude. We've lamented it ourselves. But you can't deny the competitiveness and quality that the money has brought, and continues to bring in; Silva, Mata, Aguero, Torres, Cazorla, Michu. It's allowed the PL to keep on buying what the other leagues are making, and let's not forget how much the La Liga teams have been charging for their trouble. ;)

What La Liga needs, man, is not a billionaire or two, to do it the way the PL did. Sort out the TV rights issue, and I reckon we could see a Spanish version of the Bundesliga, instead.

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raimondo90 12 years ago
Valencia, Argentina 89 2492

In terms of purity I wouldnt want a rich take over in any La Liga team. Its not what this sport is about. I dont think its right to just blow millions left and right to build a team over night. goes against my beliefs and values of the sport.

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Lodatz 12 years ago
Tottenham Hotspur, England 150 4992

How much did Madrid pay for their squad, again? ;)

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Lodatz 12 years ago
Tottenham Hotspur, England 150 4992

For that matter, how much have Barca spent, to acquire Villa, Alba, Mascherano, Fabregas and Pique?

Telling you, dude, La Liga already does have teams who blow millions to assemble squads. How much was Ibrahimovic, again? ;)

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raimondo90 12 years ago
Valencia, Argentina 89 2492

Madrid has blown money too there is no denying it but they arent owned by a rich billionaire. they built their wealth (perhaps not the cleanest of ways but thats a whole nother topic) and no one can change that. unlike City chelsea and PSG that have been taken over and built their respective squads purely off of $$, Madrid at least have history and theyve developed quite a bit of talent. I just think Millionaire take overs should be allowed to have the power and influence as it does now. More and more teams are starting to go that route and its not a pretty sight for the future of football. on a side note thats one of the reasons i dislike Madrid.

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raimondo90 12 years ago
Valencia, Argentina 89 2492

For the note on barca they have done some pretty crappy deals. I dont think Alba, Villa, Mascherano, Pique and Fabregas were bad deals. They were relatively cheap and could sell them all for a profit (except villa). But Sanchez and Ibra were ridiculous amounts. Im not saying buying players should be prohibited because every team needs to buy and sell to improve, i just hate spending 200M to build a squad to aquire glory. And you cant compare Barcas spending to City Chelsea or PSG.

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Lodatz 12 years ago
Tottenham Hotspur, England 150 4992

Maybe (hopefully) FFP will help all this, because I agree with you.

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raimondo90 12 years ago
Valencia, Argentina 89 2492

FFP is very weak with many holes to get around it. I honestly can't see it helping as much as they hope. they need to be stricter and crack down on teams. I cant believe Malaga is the only team potentionally being banned when they are not the only team in that financial condition. Btw having actual discussions such as this are very intruiging and a rare sight here. keep it up lol i could talk about football all day

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Lodatz 12 years ago
Tottenham Hotspur, England 150 4992

Well now, can't we. re: comparing Barca to Chelsea? I think the comparisons are not so strange, when you look at how much Barca have actually spent.

Barcelona have spent 997 million since the turn of the century, second only to Madrid, and even in Guardiola's age they spent a whopping 275 million.

Yes, the cantera has been their main source of success, but, even the best team in the world has been bought nearly as much as grown, too:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/sid_lowe/03/31/guardiola.transfers/index.html

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Vendetta 12 years ago
Chelsea FC, Egypt 202 3025

Ouch, again. We have history :(. Certainly not as much as Madrid, but it's there!

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Lodatz 12 years ago
Tottenham Hotspur, England 150 4992

Not to mention their friends at the Quatar Foundation.. O:)

But yeah, I do appreciate the point you were making earlier about how Man City etc have grown just overnight, rather than through the continued success of, say, Barca.

But, don't forget that Real and Barca being rich isn't something new, or that started with Perez or Laporta. Barca broke the world transfer record to pick up Cruyff, and I believe Real were notorious for poaching other teams stars with cash, even back in the 1950s (Di Stefano, anyone?). The Dream Team and the Galacticos were both assembled with high-cost talent, and much of the revenue in the modern era comes from how much exposure they get -- just like many have accused the PL with their worldwide exposure.

Unfortunately, I think it's the case that wherever you look, aside from perhaps the glory days of Ajax, success has always been bought. There's no moral high ground to take on it, since it has always been that way...

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MRarsenal500 12 years ago
Arsenal, England 59 741

Lodatz you write too much

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Lodatz 12 years ago
Tottenham Hotspur, England 150 4992

'Tis a curse.

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Vendetta 12 years ago
Chelsea FC, Egypt 202 3025

I find it highly entertaining. And difficult to beat you in a debate D:

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