With 12 league games to go, Pep’s tenure at Bayern is coming to an end. So I decided to ask the question. How would you rate Pep at Bayern?

Instead of rambling about my thoughts on Pep, I’m just going to make it short and sweet. I’m indifferent to Pep. Thought he did an okay job. Yes there were some major flaws in his reign such as the Champions League semifinals. But he kept us a consistent force in the Bundesliga and Champions League (at least until the semis). In short, he didn’t ruin or improve Bayern. Bring on Ancelotti.

What is so hard for you people to realize that we say Pep did a fine job but nothing great?
He has a squad miles above the others and has 100000 times better bench than any other team in the Bundesliga.
Honestly make your own XI from Bundesliga and you will notice 70 to 90% will be Bayern players. I do not want to say Bundesliga is an awful league, honestly it would be a dream for myself to even play at Bundesliga but the league has no competition at all.

Teams like Wolfsburg the 2 Borrusia's and Schalke can't mine results and 1/2 injuries on their key players can DESTROY their season, Bayern can afford an injured Ribery and Robben and still finish 1st without any problem. Let's take an example, IF BVB loses Reus or Aubameyang like they did with Lewy THAT will cost them MANY MANY MANY points even with a manager like Klopp. I mean seriously they sometimes lose points even with them on form.

Stern propable knows more than me but the table and the stats DO NOT LIE. There is not a real competition at all in this league besides the German cup BUT it is still a fantastic league to watch.

Each league has its beauty and each league lacks something that is why we should be happy and try to enjoy our football instead of arguing why/who/when/which has the best league. Personally I enjoyed Bundesliga when BVB was a title contender now I enjoy BPL and Serie A and in the future I might enjoy La Liga as much as I did when Simeone won it. Never ever I bothered to downgrade a league when BPL was destroying Europe I simply enjoyed it and kept the good moments EVEN if my team was not there to win.

Oh and last but not least look at that tiki_taka kid again putting BPL in a thread where people discuss Pep's Bayern just because a BPL fan bothered to say his opinion. You are the true cancer of football nowadays a Barca fan who has a big mouth because of his team's recent success in the last years. When all of those will be gone we will laugh at you.

I want to say more and more but I am in a rush to go. Hopefully I made myself clear.

I give him an honest 16/20. He actually didn't help Bayern in anyway.

I'm not a fan of Pep to tell you the truth, I don't right him that high because he's always on built teams. Look at Barcelona, BM, and Man City, 3 teams that were already built by Rijkaard, Mancini, and Heynckes.

@sun You consider that they didnt have any challenge because they won all of them, if they lost to Schalke or Dortmund what would be people's analyse ? Thats a loose loose situation, if you loose you're not strong enough and if you win thats because your rivals are too weak...
Actually Juve last year won in 2 legs vs a top 3, and i agree on the fact that maturity and Cl experience cant Come for a team in one year, but then Bayern is established top 3 and last year semi was the real final, i gave Pep 16 or 17/20 knowing he could have done better in Cl no one disagree here but what annoys me is people not giving credit to hardwork and consistence, i see billionnaire teams each week getting ridiculous results vs average team and no one is talking about underachieving, yet some teams accomplish the perfect domestic season and what people is saying ? 'Its easy afterall '' then why other teams with same or higher budgets and expensive players cant do even half of this consistency ?
I do not agree about this sorry, when Saf United used to win 3 leagues out of 4 no one was saying it was easy and in fact it wasnt, but they were too good and too motivated, too serious and tactically perfect, if we so not apply some double standards its the same situation here.

Whoa, I'm late to the party, well, no matter, I'll share my humble thought on the subject. Like most people said, I feel like Pep did a fine job at Bayern, pherhap not as great as some would have liked or expected but I feel like he did make the team a bit more versatile. To be sincere, most of the time, when I wanna know if a manager is doing a great job or not, I try to check from the feedback of the player, they tend to give more praise if they like their manager and think he is doing a great job. From what I heard, most Munich player seem to say good thing about Pep so I'm guessing he's good. All in all, I felt like he did a fine job without really making anything groundbreaking considering the team he was given.

@tiki

No, United was in much more competitive league than Bayern .

2006-2007 was strong head to head race between Chelsea and United . If Chelsea would have beaten Arsenal in May things could have gone differently creating pressure on United . Nonetheless United was a winner but it did not come with 30 points gap in cruise mode .

2007-2008 was also competitive year with little to separate between contenders all the way till the last days . Some say there were a lot of controversy , but it was always controversy with Sir Alex United . United was a superb team that year though and only equal to them was Chelsea . ( IMO This comment will piss United fans off , but if it was not slippy Terry and Drogba being sent off we would have won 2008 CL final , we were better :D ) .

2008-2009 - I thought this one was also controversial through out the season . I personally think that Liverpool should have been champions that year . If it was not for Arsenal ( god damn they don't win any and they dont let others to win it ) , in that crazy 4-4 draw , Liverpool could have won their first EPL title that year . Again my opinion but Liverpool to me was more deserving of EPL title . They were really good .

This issue of underrating any accomplishement outside the league you
follow is the cancer of discussions here, .

Exactly what you did, ironically .

All in all, I felt like he did a fine job without really making anything groundbreaking considering the team he was given

That's what some people don't seem to understand. As Joze said and most others - Pep did a good job but nothing spectacular considering the team he was given. It's a one horse league and of course certain people have to step up and protecting such situations because it's exactly what they experience themselves in their own league. And pulling the budget card don't work with Bayern as they have the 3rd most valuable team in the world (after Barca and Real).

Has anyone even considered the ridiculous amount of injuries his team has had in the past coupe of seasons? When it happens to Arsenal or even United it is definitely an excuse but with Bayern it seems to go unnoticed. He has reinvented players' roles and positions many times to fill in spaces and that is just one other thing to praise of his job so far.

He is having many injuries bcuz he fired the medical staff who worked at bayern for 20+years.

Well How you explain then German teams outside Bayern doing well in Europe ?

@ktbff ok you dont want to understand maybe réality doesnt please you, a team like wolfsburg has actually a top 4 Epl level, that means that if they get smashed often by Bayern it means that if Bayern would be playing in England the league would be a one horse league.
Dortmund or wolfsburg arent to blame if they play in the same league that Bayern, in fact each Epl team Bayern faced in group stage they ended up first with a big gap out of 6 games, and got qualified in final stages from the first leg, see not a league problem.
Other leagues are just lucky to not have such teams competing with them, and this is quite an inacceptable opinion for some but it is mine and I respect others opinion.

^ Truth.

Many EPL fans don't consider the UCL/ EL to be a fair way of comparing different leagues. If it isn't, what is? Anyway back to Pep.

I think Pep destroyed Bayern in a way. The team that destroyed Barcelona was the scariest team in Europe. Although Pep did win trophies, he made alot of changes in the squad that to me were unnecessary Ex: Kroos, schweinsteiger, mandzukic, Mario Gomez, etc.

Again, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

From what I know it wasn't Pep who wanted to sell Kroos or Schweinsteiger. And with strikers I think he did it great, his tiki-taka style wouldn't work with Gomez upfront, who for me was one of Bayern's weak points.

Well that's debatable. From what I know Gomez was a cherry picker and a great one at that lol. About Schweinsteiger and Kroos, maybe he didn't want them out, but drove them out with his style. Do you know what I'm saying?

Also, Pep is known for replacing players just cause he doesn't think they'll suit his style. Eto'o, Toure, and Ronaldinho are players that come to mind. Pep is a horrible human being man.

I know what are you saying but, playing the style with the wrong players would be nightmare for him. He don't look like changing his style for few players, who he thinks are unnecessary.

What an interesting thread.

Most have already been said. I only want to stress that, taking a champ team is not as easy as some of us think, it's as hard as it can be. The only thing you can assume is that it might be easier to stay at the TOP 4.

What lower his achievement is also his plus point is: transfer policy, excellent signing but from their direct competitor... :( I dont know what to make of it but I dont like it.

Other than that, he keeps BM as a beast, quite scary and more dynamic. Despite being boring at time.

I would rate 16/20.

@tuan_jinn Thats actually a good point you are stressing, even for an experimented manager, taking a champion team can be pretty hard. In the case of Pep, he also had to deal with the cultural difference and language change, its actually enough to make a hard job even for one of the best manager around.

Of so... When was the last time a coach won a CL with the same team 2 times in a row? Probably Heynckes wouldn't have been able to do it as most managers have failed to do so. You simple can't judge Pep for not winning the CL given Bayern's recent success.

Other menagers like Mou at Chelsea or Tito Villanova at Barça could't manage to win the CL with a team who had reacently won it and I don't thin anyone would consider their managing period poor.. Heynckes himself dint win anything until his very last year.

Conclusion... Using the argument that Guardiola was given a team that had reacently won the CL and had to do better is ridiculous.