With 12 league games to go, Pep’s tenure at Bayern is coming to an end. So I decided to ask the question. How would you rate Pep at Bayern?

Instead of rambling about my thoughts on Pep, I’m just going to make it short and sweet. I’m indifferent to Pep. Thought he did an okay job. Yes there were some major flaws in his reign such as the Champions League semifinals. But he kept us a consistent force in the Bundesliga and Champions League (at least until the semis). In short, he didn’t ruin or improve Bayern. Bring on Ancelotti.

@Chelsea8 aww so cute, somebody got a crush on mourinho.

yes i love mourinho, mourinho won the ucl with porto and inter but we are talking about pep and not mourinho :) you mad bro.

no i love mourinho, mourinho won the la liga with real madrid but we are talking about pep and not how much Stern likes Pep :) you mad bro.

I can do this all day. Behave like a child and get treated like a child.

@Stern

The Bayern team Pep inherited had just won the CL. Because of Bayern's domination of the Bundesliga, including the purchase of their rivals best players, it is only fair to evaluate his performance by his CL showings.

With this metric, it's clear Bayern have fallen behind Barcelona, and Madrid for a few seasons as well. In my opinion, Bayern has had the best team in Europe ever since 2013. Pep has been unlucky with injures yes, but that doesn't change the fact that when he was DOMINATED in the CL by Madrid and Barca, it was mainly due to his own tactical shortcomings.

With that understood, for me personally, like ramaboy said initially, Pep hasn't improved Bayern in terms of performance. And really, isn't that what a manager is judged on?

I would say that lets see what he does in this CL and then rate him

I might be a little biased ;) but I think he doesn't get enough credit for his work. Do you think Heynckes would've won CL again if he stayed one more year? It's not that easy. Let's wait till the end of the season until we make a final judgement, like UnitedWeAre said.

chelsea8 - no comment

Certainly would not have lost to Madrid 4-0 at home ...

Cool, i give my opinion on pep and people get butthurt.
Thats how you know that some members of this site are complete idiots.

@dynastian i was being sarcastic bcuz sterndeseuedens replied to me with "you and your grandma wouldn't do shit.." Know if that isn't disrepectful or childish. And also why do you act like a mod? This conversation was between me and sterndeseudens, don't act like a mod just bcuz you made one sticky thread.

@chelsea

Opinions are fine. Taunts/bait/trolling/provocation will make you few friends here.

@sunflash i know mate, but i'm not a pushover.
If someone disrespect me bcuz of my opinion then they should not expect me to sit queite. Srry if my english is shit it's not my first language.

Stating that your grandma could win Bundesliga is hardly an opinion. I'm out.

^ what i meant by that is that it's not difficult for a coach to win the bundesliga with bayern, is that so difficult to understand? But i guess it's ok to disrespect other people if you don't have the same opinion.

Pep lost both semifinals to the eventual champions. He could have done better against Madrid but hardly anyone could have done any better against Barcelona. Coping with MSN has been extremely difficult to most teams and Enrique fixed a few defensive shortcomings. This year will be his final CL at bayern so we should wait to judge him based on CL.

He turned a very one dimensional Bayern into the most tactically diverse team. Switching from quick counter to possession or even long balls with a switch of formation and player roles without even having to make a substitution. Sure he dominated bundesliga without a problem but the previous Bayern wasn't able to do so.

Like someone else pointed out, the same Bayern that won the triple wouldn't have topped Barcelona last season. Perhaps against Madrid but maybe in penalties.

Pep gets a 19/20 from me.

Oh really, like I didn't get that the first time.

What I meant by saying neither you nor your grandma could win Bundesliga (which is a fact btw) is that it is NOT THAT EASY. Heynckes, van Gaal, Hitzfeld, they all struggled. Van Gaal took Bayern to the CL final and won the league & cup, but next season he got sacked because Bayern was almost dropping out of 3rd place.

And what you said about Guardiola not having a plan B is just ridiculous, maybe you should watch more of Bayern's games. But I already clarified that in my first comment. Also read raimondo's comment on that matter.

peace

the previous Bayern wasn't able to do so.

Sorry mate but yes they did ! They won league by 25 points considering that their biggest rival , Dortmund, was very strong during that time . ( Imo even better than Bayern ) .

Peps Bayern bought pretty much all the best players from their rivals and some more abroad . Bayern has one of the best players in the world , what else do you expect but continuation of domination ? Dortmund just recently started to getting back to old form , but i am sure they will need more additions next season because their squad is not big enough and does not have old quality to challenge Bayern . No club in Bundesliga can afford to buy players like Bayern . There are one or two players from other teams who could push out Bayern's first 11 player .

At Barcelona he had 72% win percentage but in Bundesliga he averages 76% . Guardiola is having a very easy time not just because Bayern is so good but also because of the poor quality of the oppositions .

This issue of underrating any accomplishement outside the league you follow is the cancer of discussions here, this and the fact people cant size any team level or strenght, Bayern of Pep is stronger than Heyneck BAyern, its not really complicated to see if you watch games, and both Spain and Germany should thank Pep for their WorldCups, im not saying its only due to him but he surely had an impact on the chemistry of those nations too...
But hey, he just won Bundesliga not like he won Epl wich only mighty teams like Leicester or Tottenham can do, watch out mighty Tottenham defeating Dortmund 10 - 0 on agg....

@tiki

While I don't watch La Liga or Serie A, I do watch a fair amount of Bundesliga because of the Americans I follow that play there. The compeition and challenge in Germany is great...literally unless you're Bayern. I posted this a few months ago, and I think I'll post it again....

There really is no argument against that. Bayern and Dortmund on occasion are on another level compared to the rest of the league. The difference between Bayern at the number one spot and someone at even the fourth spot is monumental. Aside from maaaaaybe PSG in France, no one even comes close to Bayern in Germany, regardless of Pep.

@sunflash yet teams like wolfsburg Bayer leverkusen and Schalke qualify to Cl final stages often, Bayern dominance and occasionally Bvb isnt to be denied, doesnt mean the rest are shit.
Last year Bvb didnt played up to their standard for x reason, they didnt even make it top 4.

Well its not the focal point of the thread, but the only reason for people to lower Bayern or Pep work is if they really think Bundesliga has championship level, wich is wrong. A team like wolfsburg would définitely compete with any team from other leagues EPl included, Bayern big superiority to VFL should just show How great Bayern work is and actually not the opposite...

@tiki

I hear you, and I understand what you mean. Bayern has lost only one this season, to Gladbach, (great game btw), and have also drawn a game, but aside from that, they've never even been challenged. The main theme of this thread is Bayern does fantastically domestically, and that's not difficult. I mean, I think you'd agree that Barca is better than Bayern right now, yet Barca has THREE TIMES more defeats and draws than Bayern this season (and probably last season too, but I'd have to check that).

So great, Bayern is good, everyone knows that, they were good before Pep even got there. But that's the exact reason why you have to evaluate them in Europe. When Pep plays teams that are actually near his level, he's lost, at least in his time with Bayern. Beating Arsenal is not a huge accomplishment, even United can do that these days. Porto isn't either.

I remember I was reading an article on how PSG want to break into the so-called "top level" of European football. The author basically concluded that until PSG beat one of the teams on that top level, Barca/Real/Bayern in the latter stages of the champions league, and do it more than once, could they ever be considered as on that level. Pep hasn't done that with Bayern, and for me, that's why I don't rate his time at Bayern very highly.

@sunflash

Making good point . Consider also this that Bundesliga adjusts their schedule to suit their representative clubs to compete with fresh legs in CL/ EL . There are a lot of benefits for Bayern to do well . Winter break , rest players against those easy teams or relax and go full throttle in CL . There are a lot of benefits of managing Bayern squad and there are almost no excuses why Bayern lost matches where they had more possession and control than their opponents but be caught again and again on counter attacks . Stepping on the same rake twice and not learning on mistakes ...is failure for club like Bayern .