So this defeat will probably not come as a surprise to anyone, especially United fans such as myself, but let's be honest. Given how poor we have been, especially at home, we were never going to come out on top. David Moyes has broken two more records: fastest goal conceded at Old Trafford and the first time United have lost 10 PL games. United played with no identity, and I am still left trying to figure out what exactly was the game plan. SAF told us to stick by our new manager, and I will continue supporting him until he indicates otherwise. But these are grim times for United, and we can take comfort from the fact that we are still in the CL, however tiny and minuscule our chances are of progressing to the next round. City will most likely win the title and we'll be left wondering what exactly went wrong this season. Any thoughts?

"we'll be left wondering what exactly went wrong this season"

I'm sure deep in your minds that all the faults are pointing at the manager...

This has been a humbling experience. We'll get out of it guys.
You can talk on and on about record being broken, wrong transfers, etc... but Moyes, whether we get UCL football or not this season, will be the manager of Manchester United for at least until the winter of the 2014/2015 season.

Here's a GREAT article that every United fans should read: http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/26704856

Amazing quote:
"It's not a young and old thing," says season-ticket holder Denis Breen. "It's a divide between people who have a brain and those who haven't. Look at what some United fans are saying on Twitter and it's as if the world is going to end. But being a fan is about supporting the club through thick and thin."

I would agree if you had economical crisis or average squad, not being in top 4 or even top 5 is under-Achieving.
With the stadium, the players, and the budget Man UTD has, being 4th of the League is having a very bad season.
Being in midtable all the year is called Underachieving...

After watching Rooney play today, after watching Rooney play every game, I realized that Rooney is worth every penny. He drags the team. He sets an example. He is that player on the field who turns the game around. He is unbelievable.

Btw, what the fuck was Fellaini doing? he was everywhere! throwing elbows... Damn.

My thought on this game and after Moyes' long bad run and making a negative records at such a big club as Manchester United it makes me think, what if Everton was the most efficient team possible and never won anything because of Moyes? It's either Roberto Martinez is better than Moyes or Everton are better without Moyes.

Since my birth, Sir Alex has always been the manager of Manchester United. Nevermind the results, just seeing someone else at United's helm seems odd to me.

I have to agree with Tiki. Either the team was overachieving last season, or they are seriously underachieving under Moyes. Either way, the only difference between last season and this season is the manager. Logic wants you to put the blame on Moyes. Even then, I think the right thing to do for manutd is to stick with moyes for a while.

About the game itself, I watched it with only one eye while watching arsenal but from what I saw, City have such great players. Their tecnical ability is amazing. And Nasri has really found form. I hope he can perform for France this world cup.

Lets be honest, last season United had their weakest squad in years. The biggest reason for them winning the title is simply SAF. That man got the best out of every single player and refs (its a joke ;)). This season the players are no longer motivated, they are simply playing because they have to. No heart, no urgency, no desire to do better. Maybe next season will be different, maybe not. Lets finish this one first.

Just for fun ;)

@man_utd, I can see what you're implying, but I also see a major flaw in your argument. Being a fan is not about accepting the status quo, it's about wanting the best for your club. This United team, given the players we have, our finances, and the fact that two transfer windows have passed, are better than 7th place. Today our tactics were wrong and our team selection was wrong and, really, you have to question the manager. Did you know that when SAF came to United in 1986, he inherited a team that was second to bottom during the November of the 1986-87 season under Big Ron? And he managed to get them to 11th place. Next season, 1987-88, we came in 2nd place only behind Liverpool. That is IMPACT you would expect from a world class manager who was not afforded the same resources as this manager at the time. We are simply not getting any indication of an identity with Moyes. We don't know what he is trying to do. And that is troubling. And it is irresponsible not to be critical.

@TheGame
Did you also know, that exactly after the season we finished 2nd, we were basically in 13th, 11th,13th or something like that for 3 seasons or so? I'm not trying to make a meal out of this because this doesn't really have to do anything with Moyes but anyways:

You say that being a fan is not accepting the so called "status quo" and wanting the best for your club. There is not a single fan of United who do not want us to do well. But in times like these, what are we going to do? As I've said. We're probably going to have Moyes for until at least after this season.
And let's say Moyes did get sacked. There is absolutely no guarantee that other managers would do better than him. And if that manager did horrible? Unlike Moyes, he would probably get sacked earlier because he didn't get SAF's backing. It would be a vicious cycle of sacking and maybe it's worked for other clubs like Chelsea and City but I honestly don't want that to be honest. All we can do is wait.

David Moyes has still won the Community Shield with them.

All that needs to be said are said. Moyes has to leave, he's just not good enough

As for the "amazing quote": "It's not a young and old thing," says season-ticket holder Denis Breen. "It's a divide between people who have a brain and those who haven't. Look at what some United fans are saying on Twitter and it's as if the world is going to end. But being a fan is about supporting the club through thick and thin."

This guy gotta be kidding, amazing quote MY FOOT. We ARE ALL supporting the club, we cheer everytime we can, but we are in pain when we see the club playing one of the worst football ever... clueless and stone age style... It's not about winning points only, it's about how we play. No identity, no tactic, absolutely nothing. Would you stay still and keep supporting or would you demand a change when you see your good/smart kid drops out of school, cracking meth?

We have bad squad, old .. ok. But we also have a lot of talented players, not enough to win CL or EPL, but definitely doesn't deserve to play THIS BAD.

Say all you want....
Moyes is staying.

@man_utd, of course we weren't doing that well in the league until 1992/1993. But we always knew that the potential was there with SAF, given his success at Aberdeen. What has 50-year old Moyes done besides winning a lowly second division title with Preston? 11 years at Everton did not produce a single trophy. Are you telling me that if we had Mourinho, Guardiola or Klopp we would not be higher up the table at this present time? What if we have a more sh***y season next year? We all want stability at the club, but is Moyes really the person who can give us that? And if so, what SINGLE evidence do you have that we will achieve any success under him? Almost EVERYTHING that he has done this season, from the results, to giving in to Rooney's demands, to failing to bring in a decent midfielder, to creating disunity within the squad, to playing with absolutely no identity, all point to him not being able to manage a club like United. The only good thing he has done is to 1) Buy Mata (though over-paid IMO) and 2) Play Januzaj. Like I said, he has my backing until SAF indicates otherwise, but we need to remember that we are a much bigger club than what we were when SAF arrived and we can afford to bring in a quality manager who the players will respect and play under with a team identity. The only way he can save this season is by winning the CL. But who are we kidding? We only have 1 win against the top 9 teams in the league this season.

@TheGame

Well. I think saying we knew the potential SAF has would be a bit naïve considering everyone wanted him out from United AT THAT TIME.
I also didn't say that Moruinho, Guardiola or Klopp would do worse... Don't know where you got that.

If I could also give you a SINGLE EVIDENCE of someone succeeding in anything, I'd be a fortuneteller.

And please. Don't talk to me as if you think I don't know Moyes has made a lot of wrong decisions. I'm aware of that.
You can list all the things he's done wrong as your heart pleases but that sadly won't change a thing.

And in terms of stability, then who would you REALISTICALLY want at United? Just a curious question.

Also. Pertaining to the Rooney incident. You look at the pitch, and he's the hardest worker. Sure you could go on and say Moyes doesn't have enough control of the club to not give in to Rooney's demand but had he not kept Rooney, the United supporters would have gone crazy. Catch-22.

And I've said this again and I'll say it again. Unless we have other possible better more long-term managers to look at (Sadly, none from the Premier League that are below us because they don't have a "winning" mentality), Moyes is still a United manager.

Manchester United has been so irregular all season. The moral of the players must be so low. Don't only blame Moyes, the players are in the field and it's their job to produce football. If they can"t win anything, then some players future in this club should be questionned. I also believe that signing Mata was completely useless.

@man_utd, SAF's managerial stint almost came to an end in 1990, but he won the FA cup and convinced people that he was capable of winning trophies and could handle the United job. The reason why I talked about Klopp, Mourinho or Pep was because you said "there is absolutely no guarantee that other managers would do better than him". I ask why not? A manager with a better CV will most likely do better than him. For people to say, "hey just give him more time" is meaningless 1) if there is no indication that our season is improving and 2) he hasn't won anything meaningful in the past for us to base our patience on. My entire point about this is that the longer things go and the more abysmal our season becomes, it will start to make sense that putting blind faith in a man who has not proven himself on the big stage is foolish. We should have brought in someone like Van Gaal, Ancelotti, Andre Villas Boas, Diego Simeone, Antonio Conte, Jorge Jesus, Michele Laudrup, or Ole Gunnar Solskjaer. There are plenty of options and I know some of those aren't realistic. But we needed someone who can build a team identity and who has experience in understanding what it takes to win trophies and knows how to best use the resources he is afforded. Then I would be perfectly happy with giving that manager time.

Furthermore, regarding the Rooney incident I don't believe that "United supporters would have gone crazy" if he left. He wasn't particularly showing his loyalty to the club when he put in a transfer request, not for the first time. Fans were getting tired of his antics.

@TheGame: completely agree champ