So this defeat will probably not come as a surprise to anyone, especially United fans such as myself, but let's be honest. Given how poor we have been, especially at home, we were never going to come out on top. David Moyes has broken two more records: fastest goal conceded at Old Trafford and the first time United have lost 10 PL games. United played with no identity, and I am still left trying to figure out what exactly was the game plan. SAF told us to stick by our new manager, and I will continue supporting him until he indicates otherwise. But these are grim times for United, and we can take comfort from the fact that we are still in the CL, however tiny and minuscule our chances are of progressing to the next round. City will most likely win the title and we'll be left wondering what exactly went wrong this season. Any thoughts?

@TheGame
So SAF came to United and it took him 4 years to win a trophy. FA Cup at that. I mean, I am aware that he had a weakened squad but to say after he won the FA Cup, that he was capable of managing United is a bit too sudden I think.

And talking about the Klopp, Mourinho or Pep thing. Maybe I should've been clearer. There is absolutely no guarantee that a manager (Who would REALISTICALLY come to United) would do better than Moyes.
And out of all those managers you listed, yes, a lot of them are not realistic so why would you post them? And let's say they came to United. I say again, there is no guarantee they would do better than Moyes. So it doesn't seem like there are lots of replacement. Do you have any other actual realistic managers who could replace our dear Moyes?

I'm also aware that Rooney has done this time and time again where he has disrespected the club by handing in transfer request. But right now, Rooney is our best player so had he gone, who knows how much worse our season would've been?

^^ Louis van Gaal would be a realistic as well as a far better option than David Moyes. Keep him for 3-4 years and groom Giggs/Butt/Scholes/Neville for the role.

@FredTilson
Louis van Gaal has the tendency to get angry easily and alienates people. The Class of 92' wouldn't have been able to "work" with him.

@man_utd, I don't think you understood the points I am making mate. When SAF won the FA Cup, there was a sense of belief that we were moving in the right direction. Yet, Moyes inherited the champions of England and all we have been doing is accelerating in reverse. We all knew that losing SAF would be detrimental no matter what, but did you really imagine we would be fighting for the Europa League spot?

United is a big club, top 3 in world football. If you approach any of those managers and offer them the job, I am sure they would think twice before rejecting. And of course there is no 100% guarantee that anything will happen. But it's all about the balance of probability. If you ever want to hire someone out in the real world, would you hire a novice who has little to no experience in getting what you want or someone who does? It's common sense. When Moyes was hired, people kept saying that he was "cut from the same cloth" as SAF. We all now know that is BS.

Just because Rooney has been our best player doesn't mean he is worthy of a club like United. The club is much bigger and we would have moved on. Just like we did when we've lost great players in the past like Ronaldo, Beckham, Jaap Stam, Roy Keane, etc..

You simply can’t compare Sir Alex Ferguson’s managerial experience and success with David Moyes before managing Manchester United.

[Sir Alex Ferguson]

St. Mirren

• Scottish First Division (1): 1976–77.

Aberdeen
Scottish Premier Division (3): 1979–80, 1983–84, 1984–85.
Scottish Cup (4): 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84, 1985–86.
Scottish League Cup (1): 1985–86.
Drybrough Cup (1): 1980.
UEFA Cup Winners' Cup (1): 1982–83.
UEFA Super Cup (1): 1983.

[David Moyes]

Preston North End

• Football League Second Division: 1999–2000.

There is a huge difference.

@AlexBatak, exactly, because there would be no comparison. But it goes to show that if we got a manager with such impressive CV back then, why couldn't we get one this time around? Ironically, it was SAF who chose Moyes.

I think Moyes will be judged by the performance of the next year . If nothing changes , he will be gone by december .

@alex

+1

I share the game vision : The problem of Moyes is his CV, you cant oblige players to follow tactics that do not work when you have never won something with them.

If Mourinho tells Etoo to play a game in a LB role, he will do it. How can you expect mighty United players like Vidic to respect a coach tactics who has never won anything ?

With Pellegrini, Man United would be 3rd, with Mourinho they are title contenders, thats my opinion.
Its easy to say, we dont know if another coach will do better. The real question is who could have done worst than that ?

Laurent Blanc could have been linked, Rudi Garcia, Diego Simeone, Jorge Jesus all woud be safer bets than Moyes in my opinion.

When i look to Everton without Fellaini with a new coah, their new players, their limitted budget doing better than United, or Tottenham in big trouble with a fired coach and a short term coach doing better than Moyes.
I think you have to wait an eternity before seing Moyes team lifting a trophy, or at least watching players trusting in his tactic and making efforts.

United is a big club, top 3 in world football. If you approach any of those managers and offer them the job, I am sure they would think twice before rejecting. And of course there is no 100% guarantee that anything will happen. But it's all about the balance of probability. If you ever want to hire someone out in the real world, would you hire a novice who has little to no experience in getting what you want or someone who does? It's common sense. When Moyes was hired, people kept saying that he was "cut from the same cloth" as SAF. We all now know that is BS.

Just because Rooney has been our best player doesn't mean he is worthy of a club like United. The club is much bigger and we would have moved on. Just like we did when we've lost great players in the past like Ronaldo, Beckham, Jaap Stam, Roy Keane, etc..

@TheGame
Well I'm talking about the time prior to SAF winning the FA Cup. Before that, it was probably like "SAF out"

And please don't think that I think we're doing well this season. I'm aware we're doing horribly.
And I'm guessing from your analogy, Moyes would be the "novice" with no experience. The thing is. He has experience in the Premier League. AGAIN. I am aware that he managed EVERTON. Not really a big club like United but as Sir Alex hired him, what can we do? We all now know that Moyes being cut from the same cloth might be BS. I guess hindsight is 20/20.

So ok. We wouldn't be able to predict how other United fans would've reacted to. And what "power" are we giving to Rooney other than making him captain? He deserves it since he's been with us for 10 years or so. 300k a week wage? The performance he gives on the pitch is just unbelievable. Hardest worker without a doubt. But that's just different opinions I guess. We could go on and on about Rooney but honestly, it wouldn't matter.

Another question. So who would you realistically want to replace Moyes?

We will have to wait until the end of the season to see how things change, but right now I narrowed my list down to Jurgen Klopp, Diego Simeone, or Laurent Blanc. I think we have to approach these managers not only because they would be a step above Moyes, but they will have more power to attract world class players to United. Also, the coaching staff Moyes has surrounded himself with is mediocre at best, and I would be happy to see them replaced.

Its too late for Laurent Blanc, but i cant see either Klopp or Simeone refusing to take the charge of United.

@tiki_taka, I would love to see Klopp taking charge of United mate. A forward-thinking, attacking-minded coach who has the ability to cultivate players at a young age and who can recognize talent well. He also speaks English so he would be able to communicate well with the players. I don't care if he had Mainz relegated; that was part of his evolution as a world class manager. As for Simeone, I would not mind him either. His ability to rally up his players for big occasions is superb. He has stamped his authority on La Liga and proved that Athletico Madrid are one of the top dogs. He definitely has the mental ability to handle the job. If we lose 3-0 to Liverpool or City with either of those two, I would still believe in them, because I know what they are capable of doing and the type of football they can instill into the team. With Moyes, you're always uncertain.

my opinion is the same as tiki_taka, as he basically almost copy pasted my comment from here:
<http://footyroom.com/forum/football-talk/man-utd-0-vs-liverpool-3-thoughts-56902>

@those who would give Moyes more time, even in the next season, listen to an idiot (me): modern football doesn't wait.

besides the fact that SAF had more experience when he started, the main difference is that the football world was different 20 years ago, furthermore he took the team on the border of relegation and brought it at midtable. next year kept goin better and better. you could see a concrete IMPROVEMENT. can't say the same about Moyes.

trying to compare and give trust to this coach hoping that it may happen what happened with SAF, is the worst error the board would ever make.

@tiki_taka
Klopp not, but Simeone could refuse.

Simeone stated that he wishes to challenge himself in England, so United signing him would be a massive coup. Simeone is one of the best managers out there (only problem is, he's stubborn. It takes him a little time to admit his loss and adapt his tactics. He doesn't do it instantly).

@Dynastian
i know, but Simeone is also "an animal" (you know what i mean), coaching in EPL is one thing, coaching at MU...i don't know, the club style and philosophy it just doesn't fit his character imo. then of course anything can happen.

@Dynastian98, could you elaborate more on his stubbornness? I am not disagreeing with you, I just want your insight as you are an avid R. Madrid fan who watches La Liga games on a regular basis. Furthermore, any other flaws you see with him?

@TheGame

Well for starters, he is picky about who will be in his starting XI. Entire season long, he's stuck with only one lineup for almost all his games. It is,

Courtois; Filipe Luis, Godin, Miranda, Juanfran; Koke, Gabi, Tiago, Turan; Villa, Costa

And the only notable man who could come off the bench and make a difference has been Raul Garcia.

Granted, this team is one of the best in the world (in my opinion, the best team in the world), but this created a whole host of problems later on, as Simeone preferred to stick to his starting XI all year long. He's very competitive, and wants to win everything. But with his lack of rotation, he should've realized that he would need to pick and choose what he would compete for. He couldn't try for everything, or risk losing it all. So when he went up against RM in the Copa, his team were deathly tired from months and months of football, and got hammered 5-0 on aggregate (he put out his bench players into the starting XI in Pamplona, and ended up with a 3-0 loss to Osasuna in the weekend matchday. His bench players were not used to playing at all. They hardly got game time). That's a week of football where he lost 0-7.

Finally, he starts to rotate more and more, getting players like Diego, Sosa, Mario Suarez, and Insua (after Filipe got injured) more involved in the squad.

It also took him some time to realize that his tactics weren't going to work against Carlo Ancelotti's team. Atleti had a full week of rest while the entire RM starting XI played midweek against Schalke, but Atleti still drew 2-2 at home against us on the matchday. Simeone got his tactics wrong in the last 3 Madrid derbies. He could've beaten us at the Calderon both times, but failed to do so. I'm sure that he won't make the same mistake next season though.

@Dyn & @TheGame: I also follow La Liga and barely miss any game of Barca or Real, I just simply enjoy them, and from what I withdraw out of those game vs Atletico: Those game that atletico lost, I dont think it's purely due to Simeone's stubbornness. Barca and Real are simply have better squad (as you see, I disagree with the fact that Atletico is the best team in the world as you said).

And, what @Dyn said about "could have beaten Real at Calderon" is not entirely true. He learned from it a lot for sure, but another win doesnt mean that he worked out his stubbornness and change which made the good result... Winning a match against either Barca or Real requires more factor including luck and motivation of players.

Simeone's stubbornness are more from his reputation as the player, and he is the type of hardcore coach. I think he is a great coach.

I dont think he's suitable for MU, even though he would do much better than Moyes.

@Tuan

Barca and RM have the better squad, but note that I said team. Atleti work together as a team far better than both RM and Barca. Their link up from defense to midfield to attack (and the other way around) is unbelievable. Not one player is selfish, and everyone pitches in to defending. You can't say the same about Barca and Real.

Every single one of Atletico's results have been as a result of team effort. Real and Barca require and depend on a lot of individual talent as much as teamwork. Atletico's players' talent is their team ethic. Credit to Simeone for installing that.

@Shpalman copy pasted ? Lol, Why this obsession ?
I told my point months ago, its not impossible to share the same vision about a club.
You dont need to be a genious to know that United are under-performing, what do you mean by pasting your link?
And for Spalletti, he was fired from Zenith, why should a club like United be interested with those coaches who proved nothing ?

Go to my old thread about Man United and see who said this first, and stop being paranoic i dont need your opinion to make mine.