And you guys consider yourselves knowledgeable, neutral fans of this game. What a sad, sad realization this is for me.

You don't have to be a Barcelona fan to have a bias against Real Madrid, you can be a fan of any number of teams. Bayern Munich, Juventus, Atleti, even United. Just a few teams from the very recent history that Real Madrid has given reasons to be hated to. However, only a certain, a distinctive fanbase goes after every little thing that can be perceived unfair (even those that aren't, those that even only 'that look') will call Real Madrid or its player with names.

The fact that the title of this thread says "Ramos is playing Volleyball" is enough of a reason for me to assume that it is the work of a Barcelona fan, perhaps not an open Barca fan, but one that adores them as a second club. Regardless, at this point this is irrelevant. I am simply calling it as I see it, if you are acting in a certain way, I will call it exactly as I see it. If you are acting like a Cule, running around and complaining about things that are extremely prevalent in the game as proof of some sort of a conspiracy, I will call it exactly what it is.

Now aside from that, do you have any reason other than, for anybody here, to say that is a handball "because I think so"?

I said the ref made a correct call in waving it on for following reasons:

1. Ramos did not intentionally touch the ball with his hands.
2. The fact that Ramos was running and jumping, you cannot expect his hands to be at his waist, thus cannot make the argument that his hands were in 'unnatural position'. Given what he was doing, his hands were at a natural position since we use our hands for balance, and etc.
3. Had Ramos NOT touched the ball with his hand, the ball WOULD NOT have gone over the line. At that point, the balls direction was AWAY from the goal - was not heading towards it.

This happened right at the beginning of the game.

How many times, in the past, have we complained about the ref ruining games before it starts?

That act alone was not worthy of a penalty, nor was it worthy of a red card. If the ref gave the penalty, he would've had to give a red as well. Because he can't give a pen unless he thought the handball was intentional. If intentional, it's a red.

Did that act alone deserve for Real Madrid not to only go one down with a penalty, but also a man sent-off?

No. The ref used his better judgement.

Even with Video-review, the ref would not have given a penalty here. It was simply an accidental incident, and players/teams should not be punished for that.

And you guys consider yourselves knowledgeable, neutral fans of this game. What a sad, sad realization this is for me.

You don't have to be a Barcelona fan to have a bias against Real Madrid, you can be a fan of any number of teams. Bayern Munich, Juventus, Atleti, even United. Just a few teams from the very recent history that Real Madrid has given reasons to be hated to. However, only a certain, a distinctive fanbase goes after every little thing that can be perceived unfair (even those that aren't, those that even only have 'that look') will call Real Madrid or its player with names.

The fact that the title of this thread says "Ramos is playing Volleyball" is enough of a reason for me to assume that it is the work of a Barcelona fan, perhaps not an open Barca fan, but one that adores them as a second club. Regardless, at this point this is irrelevant. I am simply calling it as I see it, if you are acting in a certain way, I will call it exactly as I see it. If you are acting like a Cule, running around and complaining about things that are extremely prevalent in the game as proof of some sort of a conspiracy, I will call it exactly what it is.

Now aside from that, do you have any reason other than, for anybody here, to say that is a handball "because I think so"?

I said the ref made a correct call in waving it on for following reasons:

1. Ramos did not intentionally touch the ball with his hands.
2. The fact that Ramos was running and jumping, you cannot expect his hands to be at his waist, thus cannot make the argument that his hands were in 'unnatural position'. Given what he was doing, his hands were at a natural position since we use our hands for balance, and etc.
3. Had Ramos NOT touched the ball with his hand, the ball WOULD NOT have gone over the line. At that point, the balls direction was AWAY from the goal - was not heading towards it.

This happened right at the beginning of the game.

How many times, in the past, have we complained about the ref ruining games before it starts?

That act alone was not worthy of a penalty, nor was it worthy of a red card. If the ref gave the penalty, he would've had to give a red as well. Because he can't give a pen unless he thought the handball was intentional. If intentional, it's a red.

Did that act alone deserve for Real Madrid not to only go one down with a penalty, but also a man sent-off?

No. The ref used his better judgement.

Even with Video-review, the ref would not have given a penalty here. It was simply an accidental incident, and players/teams should not be punished for that.

And you guys consider yourselves knowledgeable, neutral fans of this game. What a sad, sad realization this is for me.

You don't have to be a Barcelona fan to have a bias against Real Madrid, you can be a fan of any number of teams. Bayern Munich, Juventus, Atleti, even United. Just a few teams from the very recent history that Real Madrid has given reasons to be hated to. However, only a certain, a distinctive fanbase goes after every little thing that can be perceived unfair (even those that aren't, those that even only have 'that look') will call Real Madrid or its player with names.

The fact that the title of this thread says "Ramos is playing Volleyball" is enough of a reason for me to assume that it is the work of a Barcelona fan, perhaps not an open Barca fan, but one that adores them as a second club. Regardless, at this point this is irrelevant. I am simply calling it as I see it, if you are acting in a certain way, I will call it exactly as I see it. If you are acting like a Cule, running around and complaining about things that are extremely prevalent in the game as proof of some sort of a conspiracy, I will call it exactly what it is.

Now aside from that, do you have any reason other than, for anybody here, to say that is a handball "because I think so"?

I said the ref made a correct call in waving it on for following reasons:

1. Ramos did not intentionally touch the ball with his hands.
2. The fact that Ramos was running and jumping, you cannot expect his hands to be at his waist, thus cannot make the argument that his hands were in 'unnatural position'. Given what he was doing, his hands were at a natural position since we use our hands for balance, and etc.
3. Had Ramos NOT touched the ball with his hand, the ball WOULD NOT have gone over the line. At that point, the balls direction was AWAY from the goal - not heading towards it.

This happened right at the beginning of the game.

How many times, in the past, have we complained about the ref ruining games before it starts?

That act alone was not worthy of a penalty, nor was it worthy of a red card. If the ref gave the penalty, he would've had to give a red as well. Because he can't give a pen unless he thought the handball was intentional. If intentional, it's a red.

Did that act alone deserve for Real Madrid not to only go one down with a penalty, but also a man sent-off?

No. The ref used his better judgement.

Even with Video-review, the ref would not have given a penalty here. It was simply an accidental incident, and players/teams should not be punished for that.

And you guys consider yourselves knowledgeable, neutral fans of this game. What a sad, sad realization this is for me.

You don't have to be a Barcelona fan to have a bias against Real Madrid, you can be a fan of any number of teams. Bayern Munich, Juventus, Atleti, even United. Just a few teams from the very recent history that Real Madrid has given reasons to be hated to. However, only a certain, a distinctive fanbase goes after every little thing that can be perceived unfair (even those that aren't, those that even only have 'that look') will call Real Madrid or its player with names.

The fact that the title of this thread says "Ramos is playing Volleyball" is enough of a reason for me to assume that it is the work of a Barcelona fan, perhaps not an open Barca fan, but one that adores them as a second club. Regardless, at this point this is irrelevant. I am simply calling it as I see it, if you are acting in a certain way, I will call it exactly as I see it. If you are acting like a Cule, running around and complaining about things that are extremely prevalent in the game as proof of some sort of a conspiracy, I will call it exactly what it is.

Now aside from that, do you have any reason other than, for anybody here, to say that is a handball "because I think so"?

I said the ref made a correct call in waving it on for following reasons:

1. Ramos did not intentionally touch the ball with his hands.
2. The fact that Ramos was running and jumping, you cannot expect his hands to be at his waist, thus cannot make the argument that his hands were in 'unnatural position'. Given what he was doing, his hands were at a natural position since we use our hands for balance, and etc.
3. Had Ramos NOT touched the ball with his hand, the ball WOULD NOT have gone over the line. At that point, the balls direction was AWAY from the goal - not heading towards it.

This happened right at the beginning of the game.

How many times, in the past, have we complained about the ref ruining games before it starts?

That act alone was not worthy of a penalty, nor was it worthy of a red card. If the ref gave the penalty, he would've had to give a red as well. Because he can't give a pen unless he thought the handball was intentional. If intentional, it's a red.

Did that act alone deserve for Real Madrid not to only go one down with a penalty, but also a man sent-off?

No. The ref used his better judgement.

Even with Video-review, the ref would not have given a penalty here. It was simply an accidental incident, and the correct decision is PLAY ON.

Wasn't there some serious outrage especially from Real fans when Mascherano made a slide tackle and caught the ball with his hand against PSG? I seem to recall that being listed as one of the many reasons they were changing UEFAlona.

Some people just cannot handle when someone criticizes the team they like. Like damn, you guys really don't owe anything to Real or any team to be so blatant flip floping on questionable calls.

In regards to VAR being necessary, there was literally a goal line ref in direct view of everything right behind Ramos. You cannot get a more clear view.

@Amer, you are delusional to attack someone for using a creative title as Cule. Barcelona does hate Real and Real hates Barca. The extreme fan base is equally pathetic and to judge someone based on that is sad. I have a hard time thinking any other Real fan agrees on that statement.