LINK: http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/165545-liverpool-complete-lallana-deal

I don't really know how to feel about this. I feel that he was a bit overpriced at $41.7 million (Australian currency)

Thoughts?

LINK: http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/165545-liverpool-complete-lallana-deal

I don't really know how to feel about this. I feel that he was a bit overpriced at $41.7 million (Australian currency)

Thoughts?

Well Spain and Germany has good clubs and good national teams, the we cant have both argument is a little stupid...
The big players all over History did amazing while in national teams, maybe some are just biased or systematically overrating everything made in England...
I dont care if its a motivation problem, hunger or formation, i only rely on pitch results and Even Italian youth seem better at the moment than the English...
I always watch youth WC and i NEVER EVER saw a good English performence, while Spanish and Germans are always there.

@tiki yes

Perhaps, but the trophies are elsewhere...

Perhaps, but the trophies are elsewhere...

edit : Since i saw what is written behind and to sick on topic here is the facts :

CL general performence by nation :
Country -------- Winners-------Runners up

Spain----------------14--------------10----------
Italy------------------12--------------14--------

England-------------12--------------7----------
Germany-------------7---------------10---------

Number of participating clubs of the Champions League era :

Spain : 13 ( Real madrid - Barcelona - Atletico Madrid - Real Sociedad - Athletic Bilbao- Sevilla - Betis - Mallorca - Malaga - Deportivo la Coruna - Valencia - Villareal - Celta Vigo )

Germany : 10 ( Munich - Leverkusen - Dortmund - Stuttgart- Bremen - Schalke 04 - Kaiserslautern - Hertha - Wolfsburg )

France : 10

England : 9 ( Unuited - City - Arsenal - Liverpool - Newcastle - Blackburn - Leeds - Spurs - Chelsea )

By Semi finals appearences :

Real Madrid : 25
Bayern Munich : 16
Barcelona : 15
Milan : 13
Manchester United : 12
Juventus : 10
Liverpool : 9
Benfica : 8
Inter Milan : 8
Ajax : 8
Chelsea : 7
Red star Belgrade : 4
Atletico Madrid : 4

^ Not by an enormous margin.

Spain have won 14 European Cups, Italy and England have won 12 each. Hardly a poor showing, is it?

And you know what else? Spain's wins have been by only 2 clubs (have a guess which ones :p), and Italy's have been by 3 teams (Milan, Inter and Juve), whereas England have produced 12 wins by 5 clubs (Liverpool, United, Nottingham Forest, Aston Villa, Chelsea). So, it's hardly the case that 'the trophies have been elsewhere', is it?

And if we're talking about recent times, the PL is still sitting on 8 finalists over the last 10 years, whereas Spain still only have 5, including last season. So...

There's really no need to have an argument about the leagues, here, but if you really want to, then let's at least keep it factual,. tiki. Or, we could just not have an argument about the leagues. That seems better to me.

Either way, the point I was making earlier is that England are in the position where they either continue to have the Premier League as the place where most of the world's best come to play, and suffer internationally because of it, or they focus on their international set-up and youth, and lose their attractiveness because teams would then have to favour English players.

Ironically, the English clubs would have to BECOME biased towards English players in order to do that. Right now? They most certainly are not, and that's possibly the problem.

^ Not by an enormous margin.

Spain have won 14 European Cups, Italy and England have won 12 each. Hardly a poor showing, is it?

And you know what else? Spain's wins have been by only 2 clubs (have a guess which ones :p), and Italy's have been by 3 teams (Milan, Inter and Juve), whereas England have produced 12 wins by 5 clubs (Liverpool, United, Nottingham Forest, Aston Villa, Chelsea). So, it's hardly the case that 'the trophies have been elsewhere', is it?

And if we're talking about recent times, the PL is still sitting on 8 finalists over the last 10 years, whereas Spain still only have 5, including last season. So...

There's really no need to have an argument about the leagues, here, but if you really want to, then let's at least keep it factual,. tiki. Or, we could just not have an argument about the leagues. That seems better to me.

Either way, the point I was making earlier is that England are in the position where they either continue to have the Premier League as the place where most of the world's best come to play, and suffer internationally because of it, or they focus on their international set-up and youth, and lose their attractiveness because teams would then have to favour English players.

Ironically, the English clubs would have to BECOME biased towards English players in order to do that. Right now? They most certainly are not, and that's possibly the problem.

Any chance we could stick to the topic...?

^ Wow. Rather than respond in a reply, you edit a post hoping that I will not find it, and be able to respond. That's a new low.

But, as to what you edited to say:

"CL general performence by nation :"

You are basically just citing the same fact that I cited. Why do you feel this helps your argument against the English league? In fact, why are you making an argument against the English league in the first place, again? Is this not what people have been complaining about for, well a YEAR now?

"Number of participating clubs of the Champions League era :"

The Champions League era began in 1993. I thought you were interested in history. Why are you now choosing to ignore any history before 1993? We can both play that game. Want to see? Let's try, oh, the last 10 years. In the last 10 years:

England finalists: 8 (4 clubs) Spanish finalists: 5 (3 clubs).

Do you want to continue playing this game? :)

"By Semi finals appearences : "

Wait a second. Now you've SWITCHED again, to the entire history of the European Cup, not just the Champions League era. Want to know how I know that, even without going to check? Because the CL era has been going only 21 years, and you have Madrid featuring in 25 semi-finals. LOL

Are you cherry picking only the stats that help your argument, and ignoring everything else? Are you just so unwilling to take back your insulting, biased, arrogant statement that the ENglish league have not won trophies? Can you not just grow a pair of balls, grow into an adult and just admit you are WRONG?

Please? For the good of the forum, will you just admit that you are being biased against English football for no reason whatsoever?

Just ONCE?

^ Wow. Rather than respond in a reply, you edit a post hoping that I will not find it, and be able to respond. That's a new low.

But, as to what you edited to say:

"CL general performence by nation :"

You are basically just citing the same fact that I cited. Why do you feel this helps your argument against the English league? In fact, why are you making an argument against the English league in the first place, again? Is this not what people have been complaining about for, well a YEAR now?

"Number of participating clubs of the Champions League era :"

The Champions League era began in 1993. I thought you were interested in history. Why are you now choosing to ignore any history before 1993? We can both play that game. Want to see? Let's try, oh, the last 10 years. In the last 10 years:

England finalists: 8 (4 clubs) Spanish finalists: 5 (3 clubs).

Do you want to continue playing this game? :)

"By Semi finals appearences : "

Wait a second. Now you've SWITCHED again, to the entire history of the European Cup, not just the Champions League era. Want to know how I know that, even without going to check? Because the CL era has been going only 21 years, and you have Madrid featuring in 25 semi-finals. LOL

Are you cherry picking only the stats that help your argument, and ignoring everything else? Are you just so unwilling to take back your insulting, biased, arrogant statement that the ENglish league have not won trophies? Can you not just grow a pair of balls, grow into an adult and just admit you are WRONG?

Please? For the good of the forum, will you just admit that you are being biased against English football for no reason whatsoever, and that your argument is wrong?

Just ONCE?

^ Wow. Rather than respond in a reply, you edit a post hoping that I will not find it, and be able to respond. That's a new low.

But, as to what you edited to say:

"CL general performence by nation :"

You are basically just citing the same fact that I cited. Why do you feel this helps your argument against the English league? In fact, why are you making an argument against the English league in the first place, again? Is this not what people have been complaining about for, well a YEAR now?

"Number of participating clubs of the Champions League era :"

The Champions League era began in 1993. I thought you were interested in history. Why are you now choosing to ignore any history before 1993? We can both play that game. Want to see? Let's try, oh, the last 10 years. In the last 10 years:

England finalists: 8 (4 clubs) Spanish finalists: 5 (3 clubs).

Do you want to continue playing this game? :)

"By Semi finals appearences : "

Wait a second. Now you've SWITCHED again, to the entire history of the European Cup, not just the Champions League era. Want to know how I know that, even without going to check? Because the CL era has been going only 21 years, and you have Madrid featuring in 25 semi-finals. LOL

Are you cherry picking only the stats that help your argument, and ignoring everything else? Are you just so unwilling to take back your insulting, biased, arrogant statement that the ENglish league have not won trophies? Can you not just grow a pair of balls, grow into an adult and just admit you are WRONG?

Please? For the good of the forum, will you just admit that you are being biased against English football for no reason whatsoever, and that your statements are wrong?

Just ONCE?

^ Wow. Rather than respond in a reply, tiki has edited his post, hoping that I will not see it because it doesn't register as a new reply in the thread, and be able to respond. That's a new low.

But, as to what he edited to say:

"CL general performence by nation :"

You are basically just citing the same fact that I cited. Why do you feel this helps your argument against the English league? In fact, why are you making an argument against the English league in the first place, again? Is this not what people have been complaining about for, well a YEAR now?

"Number of participating clubs of the Champions League era :"

The Champions League era began in 1993. I thought you were interested in history. Why are you now choosing to ignore any history before 1993? We can both play that game. Want to see? Let's try, oh, the last 10 years. In the last 10 years:

England finalists: 8 (4 clubs) Spanish finalists: 5 (3 clubs).

Do you want to continue playing this game? :)

"By Semi finals appearences : "

Wait a second. Now you've SWITCHED again, to the entire history of the European Cup, not just the Champions League era. Want to know how I know that, even without going to check? Because the CL era has been going only 21 years, and you have Madrid featuring in 25 semi-finals. LOL

Are you cherry picking only the stats that help your argument, and ignoring everything else? Are you just so unwilling to take back your insulting, biased, arrogant statement that the ENglish league have not won trophies? Can you not just grow a pair of balls, grow into an adult and just admit you are WRONG?

Please? For the good of the forum, will you just admit that you are being biased against English football for no reason whatsoever, and that your statements are wrong?

Just ONCE?

^ Wow. Rather than respond in a reply, tiki has edited his post, hoping that I will not see it because it doesn't register as a new reply in the thread, and be able to respond. That's a new low.

But, as to what he edited to say:

"CL general performence by nation :"

You are basically just citing the same fact that I cited. Why do you feel this helps your argument against the English league? In fact, why are you making an argument against the English league in the first place, again? Is this behavior of yours not what people have been complaining about for, well, a YEAR now?

Can't you just stop behaving that way?

"Number of participating clubs of the Champions League era :"

The Champions League era began in 1993. I thought you were interested in history. Why are you now choosing to ignore any history before 1993? We can both play that game. Want to see? Let's try, oh, the last 10 years. In the last 10 years:

England finalists: 8 (4 clubs) Spanish finalists: 5 (3 clubs).

Do you want to continue playing this game? :)

"By Semi finals appearences : "

Wait a second. Now you've SWITCHED again, to the entire history of the European Cup, not just the Champions League era. Want to know how I know that, even without going to check? Because the CL era has been going only 21 years, and you have Madrid featuring in 25 semi-finals. LOL

Are you cherry picking only the stats that help your argument, and ignoring everything else? Are you just so unwilling to take back your insulting, biased, arrogant statement that the ENglish league have not won trophies? Can you not just grow a pair of balls, grow into an adult and just admit you are WRONG?

Please? For the good of the forum, will you just admit that you are being biased against English football for no reason whatsoever, and that your statements are wrong?

Just ONCE?

^ Wow. Rather than respond in a reply, tiki has edited his post, hoping that I will not see it because it doesn't register as a new reply in the thread, and be able to respond. That's a new low.

But, as to what he edited to say:

"CL general performence by nation :"

You are basically just citing the same fact that I cited. Why do you feel this helps your argument against the English league? In fact, why are you making an argument against the English league in the first place, again? Is this behavior of yours not what people have been complaining about for, well, a YEAR now?

Can't you just stop behaving that way?

"Number of participating clubs of the Champions League era :"

The Champions League era began in 1993. I thought you were interested in history. Why are you now choosing to ignore any history before 1993? We can both play that game. Want to see? Let's try, oh, the last 10 years. In the last 10 years:

England finalists: 8 (4 clubs) Spanish finalists: 5 (3 clubs).

Do you want to continue playing this game? :)

"By Semi finals appearences : "

Wait a second. Now you've SWITCHED again, to the entire history of the European Cup, not just the Champions League era. Want to know how I know that, even without going to check? Because the CL era has been going only 21 years, and you have Madrid featuring in 25 semi-finals. LOL

Are you cherry picking only the stats that help your argument, and ignoring everything else? Are you just so unwilling to take back your insulting, biased, arrogant and CLEARLY incorrect statement that the English league have not won trophies? Can you not just grow a pair of balls, grow into an adult and just admit you are WRONG?

Just ONCE?

Seriously. You wanted to talk about 'trophies', and yet the moment someone points out how many trophies have actually been won, you suddenly want to talk about finals, and semi-finals, and blah blah blah.

So. Tired. Of. This. Bullshit.

^ Wow. Rather than respond in a reply, tiki has edited his post, hoping that I will not see it because it doesn't register as a new reply in the thread, and be able to respond. That's a new low.

But, as to what he edited to say:

"CL general performence by nation :"

You are basically just citing the same fact that I cited. Why do you feel this helps your argument against the English league? In fact, why are you making an argument against the English league in the first place, again? Is this behavior of yours not what people have been complaining about for, well, a YEAR now?

Can't you just stop behaving that way?

"Number of participating clubs of the Champions League era :"

The Champions League era began in 1993. I thought you were interested in history. Why are you now choosing to ignore any history before 1993? We can both play that game. Want to see? Let's try, oh, the last 10 years. In the last 10 years:

England finalists: 8 (4 clubs) Spanish finalists: 5 (3 clubs).

Do you want to continue playing this game? :)

"By Semi finals appearences : "

Wait a second. Now you've SWITCHED again, to the entire history of the European Cup, not just the Champions League era. Want to know how I know that, even without going to check? Because the CL era has been going only 21 years, and you have Madrid featuring in 25 semi-finals. LOL

Are you cherry picking only the stats that help your argument, and ignoring everything else? Are you just so unwilling to take back your insulting, biased, arrogant and CLEARLY incorrect statement that the English league have not won trophies? Can you not just grow a pair of balls, grow into an adult and just admit you are WRONG?

Just ONCE?

Seriously. You wanted to talk about 'trophies', and yet the moment someone points out how many trophies have actually been won, you suddenly want to talk about finals, and semi-finals, and blah blah blah.

So. Tired. Of. This. Bullshit. Seriously, why should English fans have to sit here and take this constant disrespect? What says arrogance and 'fan-boy' more than someone who cannot spend more than a few days without insulting the league of another country?

They have a rich History but not the richest, the arrogance is saying the opposite.

Adam Lallana: £25m, 1 Johnstone's Paint Trophy with Southampton

Toni Kroos: £24m, 12 trophies with Bayern and a World Cup!

Lol, rumors have it that it was less. 25 Million Euros is what I heard. Should be 19.8 Million Pounds if I'm not misinformed.

well that is even worse .

In all fairness Kroos had one year left on contract and Real Madrid with it's reputation can bargain out good deals because often players push for the deal to happen harder than a selling club . If Liverpool had went for Kroos , they would not get him for same price and probably Kroos would not choose Liverpool over Real Madrid ( there are few players in the world who would turn down a chance to play for Real ) .

well that is even worse .

In all fairness Kroos had one year left on contract and Real Madrid with it's reputation can bargain out good deals because often players push for the deal to happen harder than a selling club . If Liverpool had went for Kroos , they would not get him for same price and probably Kroos would not choose Liverpool over Real Madrid ( there are few players in the world who would turn down a chance to play for Real ) .

Still Lalana overpriced compare to Kroos .