LINK: http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/165545-liverpool-complete-lallana-deal

I don't really know how to feel about this. I feel that he was a bit overpriced at $41.7 million (Australian currency)

Thoughts?

LINK: http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/165545-liverpool-complete-lallana-deal

I don't really know how to feel about this. I feel that he was a bit overpriced at $41.7 million (Australian currency)

Thoughts?

@Ashwin, good point. Although I would like to point out that money alone did not help QPR avoid relegation. There is just something about having an established potent attack that you can rely on and Southamptom will need time to make it happen with their new players that will come in.

@Ashwin, good point. Although I would like to also point out that money alone did not help QPR avoid relegation. There is just something about having an established potent attack that you can rely on and Southamptom will need time to make it happen with their new players that will come in. Lets not forget that they have also lost the architect of their attractive football style, Pochettino. It seems that their entire footballing infrastructure has been dismantled.

@Ashwin, good point. Although I would like to also point out that money alone did not help QPR avoid relegation. There is just something about having an established potent attack that you can rely on and Southamptom will need time to make it happen with their new players coming in. Lets not forget that they have also lost the architect of their attractive football style, Pochettino. It seems that their entire footballing infrastructure has been dismantled.

Nice move by Southampton :).

He was really great this season but that money is just too much.

@Lodatz

Spanish players are bought based on their buyout clause. Spanish teams intentionally place a ridiculous buyout clause to ensure that they get the most out of their transfers. When looking at realistically bargained transfers, you'll realize that the immeasurably talented Isco was bought for just 27 M Euros, and the equally talented Thiago for even less. Now compare that to Lallana's 29, Caroll's 35+, Shaw's 27.... and you understand that English players are overpriced regardless of buyout clauses.

Koke's buyout clause is 60 M, but if he didn't have one, you'd see clubs paying no more than 35 for him (unless your name is PSG or Manchester City).

@Lodatz

Spanish players are bought based on their buyout clause. Spanish teams intentionally place a ridiculous buyout clause to ensure that they get the most out of their transfers. When looking at realistically bargained transfers, you'll realize that the immeasurably talented Isco was bought for just 27 M Euros, and the equally talented Thiago for even less. Now compare that to Lallana's 29, Caroll's 35+, Shaw's 27.... and you understand that English players are overpriced regardless of buyout clauses. English potential is priced higher than Spanish potential (for what reason I will never understand).

Koke's buyout clause is 60 M, but if he didn't have one, you'd see clubs paying no more than 35 for him (unless your name is PSG or Manchester City).

@Lodatz

Spanish players are bought based on their buyout clause. Spanish teams intentionally place a ridiculous buyout clause to ensure that they get the most out of their transfers. When looking at realistically bargained transfers, you'll realize that the immeasurably talented Isco was bought for just 27 M Euros, and the equally talented Thiago for even less. Now compare that to Lallana's 29, Caroll's 35+, Shaw's 27.... and you understand that English players are overpriced regardless of buyout clauses. English potential is priced higher than Spanish potential (for what reason I will never understand).

Spanish players are 'priced' on their buyout clause, which will always be ridiculous (Thiago's was 90 M, until certain conditions were not met, and Bayern snatched him for some 22-25 M). Compare that to Sociedad's persistence on Illarramendi's buyout clause, Madrid dished out 32-39 M for Asier.... which is absolutely ridiculous. Carvajal cost 5.5 for Leverkusen, and was bought back with a clause for 6.5. Again, Isco's 27 and Thiago's 22-25 highlight that Spanish players are not priced nearly at the level of English players. Then again, there are the exceptions. Ramos was bought for some 33 M Dollars (equivalence in Euros unknown because this was in 2005), but that was as a 19-year-old, and his transfer and massive success can be pointed to as an argument in favor of the money dished out by United for Luke Shaw.

Koke's buyout clause is 60 M, but if he didn't have one, you'd see clubs paying no more than 35 for him (unless your name is PSG or Manchester City).

@Dynast: But that's just it, isn't it? Because clubs now know that the likes of City, Madrid and PSG will pay those kind of ridiculous fees, that pretty much becomes the operative fee.

Atletico Madrid have said that Koke's price is 60m, because, as you say, that's his buyout clause. That's the only price that really matters, because they are perfectly happy to keep him in the event that no-one will pay it. He's not on crazy wages, and someone will have to fork out a ridiculous fee in order to get him, and so they are sitting pretty.

In England, we don't have buyout clauses (or, at least, they are the rare exception as opposed to the norm. So, when United come in for Luke Shaw, and say: "what's his price?" Southampton have to actually work a price out, instead of simply pointing to his contract. Same with Lallana. And since the buying club has no leverage other than being an attractive prospect, the selling club has no reason to screw themselves over.

And this is not just with English players, either; it's a PL phenomenon, because the PL is the richest in the world (at present). Tottenham wanted to buy Benteke as recently as last summer, remember? Benteke isn't English, and has not performed to the standard much higher than some of the English players we're talking about, and yet the instant reply from Aston Villa? They wanted 25m (Pounds), minmum, and were prepared to stick it out until they got about 30m.

That's not much different than Lallana, a player who has lit up the league this season, or Shaw, who was many people's pick for best LB this season, being plucked from a club who has performed a damn sight better than Aston Villa, this season and the last, and to whom these players are their star assets.

In Spain those star assets have pre-established buy-out clauses, making the process lazy and inflated in price. In England they don't, and the inflation takes place in negotiations between buyer and seller. Clearly United felt that Shaw was worth the 30m, and clearly Liverpool felt that Lallana was worth the 25m, and why shouldn't they? Fabregas just returned to the league for 32m, despite having under-achieved at Barcelona, and MOdric was purchased from lowly Tottenham for 33m, in the other direction.

Considering Lallana is younger then them both, and costs more then 5m (again, Pounds) less than these two players, 25m is really not a terribly inflated price.

He just seems that way to you because you don't think he is good enough to merit it. ;) You're entitled to that opinion, of course, just as I am entitled to disagree, and Liverpool are entitled to spend their money (although EVERYONE laughed about the Carroll transfer) as they see fit.

The annoying thing about it is that, for some reason, despite the exact same inflation taking place in Spain and Germany, whether it's through negotiations or buy-out clauses, it's only the ENGLISH players that you seem to ever think are over-priced.

Why is that?

@Dynast: But that's just it, isn't it? Because clubs now know that the likes of City, Madrid and PSG will pay those kind of ridiculous fees, that pretty much becomes the operative fee.

Atletico Madrid have said that Koke's price is 60m, because, as you say, that's his buyout clause. That's the only price that really matters, because they are perfectly happy to keep him in the event that no-one will pay it. He's not on crazy wages, and someone will have to fork out a ridiculous fee in order to get him, and so they are sitting pretty.

In England, we don't have buyout clauses (or, at least, they are the rare exception as opposed to the norm. So, when United come in for Luke Shaw, and say: "what's his price?" Southampton have to actually work a price out, instead of simply pointing to his contract. Same with Lallana. And since the buying club has no leverage other than being an attractive prospect, the selling club has no reason to screw themselves over.

And this is not just with English players, either; it's a PL phenomenon, because the PL is the richest in the world (at present). Tottenham wanted to buy Benteke as recently as last summer, remember? Benteke isn't English, and has not performed to the standard much higher than some of the English players we're talking about, and yet the instant reply from Aston Villa? They wanted 25m (Pounds), minmum, and were prepared to stick it out until they got about 30m.

That's not much different than Lallana, a player who has lit up the league this season, or Shaw, who was many people's pick for best LB this season, being plucked from a club who has performed a damn sight better than Aston Villa, this season and the last, and to whom these players are their star assets.

In Spain those star assets have pre-established buy-out clauses, making the process lazy and inflated in price. In England they don't, and the inflation takes place in negotiations between buyer and seller. Clearly United felt that Shaw was worth the 30m, and clearly Liverpool felt that Lallana was worth the 25m, and why shouldn't they? Fabregas just returned to the league for 32m, despite having under-achieved at Barcelona, and MOdric was purchased from lowly Tottenham for 33m, in the other direction.

Considering Lallana is younger then them both, and costs more then 5m (again, Pounds) less than these two players, 25m is really not a terribly inflated price.

He just seems that way to you because you don't think he is good enough to merit it. ;) You're entitled to that opinion, of course, just as I am entitled to disagree, and Liverpool are entitled to spend their money (although EVERYONE laughed about the Carroll transfer) as they see fit.

The annoying thing about it is that, for some reason, despite the exact same inflation taking place in Spain and Germany, whether it's through negotiations or buy-out clauses, it's only the ENGLISH players that you seem to ever think are over-priced.

Why is that?

(and for the record, I don't see why Thiago deserves to be considered worth more than what was paid for him. He's a fine player, but, is he really that good? I have not yet seen him earn even the price-tag he carried, and the same goes for Isco, though I'm certainly happy to be enlightened if you think you can demonstrate on their behalf)

At the end of the day: English players carry high prices because they league they develop within has high prices. Southampton want 15m for Lovren, and Tottenham want 20m for Sandro. And so, if you get an 18-year old English LB who is competing for best LB in the league, or a 25-year old English creative midfielder who has ripped his way through that league, the toughest there is, then why on Earth wouldn't his price-tag reflect that?

Once again, this all comes down to bias, and the English clubs are perfectly within their rights to apply their own biases within their own damn league. Why is it that you feel YOUR bias against them is justified?