@Marcus2011, you really don't know anything about Ancelotti.

"but if comparing him to Mourinho , he is not same level as Mourinho . Real Madrid is Mourinho's work just as Chelsea was Mous when Ancelotti came to us . Ancelotti makes few little changes and lets the team to flow the way it was flowing and not making radical changes like Mourinho likes to do"

So you are giving Ancelotti absolutely zero credit for anything he has done at Madrid or Chelsea? After Mourinho left in 2007, Chelsea went through 4 different managers and only won 1 FA cup in that period of time. When Ancelotti came to Chelsea, the impact was instantaneous. He won them the double with one of the most devastating attacks in PL history (103 goals that season). And when he left, under AVB Chelsea only managed to get 6th place. Ancelotti was winning european trophies with Milan before Mourinho was a well known figure. And if he wins it with Madrid this year, he will do what Mourinho couldn't accomplish with one of the most expensive squads ever assembled and subsequently managed to alienate them. Ancelotti cleaned up after his mess. And you clearly don't know that it is much harder to build on your predecessors successes than to create your own, showing your lack of football knowledge. And I guess according to you Mourinho was the reason he won the Ligue 1 trophy with PSG last year as well? You are just a Mourinho fan-boy.

@juanmata I think everyone agrees that Mourinho did a good job at Madrid even if he was still outperformed by Guardiola/Tito's barcelona. It's just that Marcus is so frustrating with his obsession with mourinho it's very hard to resist the tentation to try to piss him off. And I think the game was talking specifically to Marcus rather than the fans of chelsea.

@the game When you talk about my club know your stuff otherwise do not say anything . And Yes I am huge fan of Mourinho, but by far not "fan -boy" , because before Mourinho I was a big fan of Wenger and Ferguson . Still am , but Mourinho tops them for me .

"So you are giving Ancelotti absolutely zero credit for anything he has done at Madrid or Chelsea? After Mourinho left in 2007, Chelsea went through 4 different managers and only won 1 FA cup in that period of time."

I could give him one credit for letting team to play the style they usually played . The team that MOurinho build was the one that brought those trophies and Acelotti did great job making sure team plays their suited style.

"And you clearly don't know that it is much harder to build on your predecessors successes than to create your own, showing your lack of football knowledge. "

I assure not once the style of the football has changed since Mourinho left in 2007 . Managers who tried to change style all have been fired .

Including Ancelotti . Do you know why Ancelotti was fired ? Amean after such incredible season why would not Abramovich keep him ? Even though we broke record , but we won the league in slightly controversial way . You are united fan , you should know this one. Ancelotti in second season tried to change the style, because Abramovich did not like the team that won 2009 - 2010 . He wanted Barca style of football not physical and direct Chelsea . ( Which I personally saw nothing wrong and still love it ) . It was beginning of transition in which Ancelotti was first victim .


He build success on Mourinho's team . No wonder why Mourinho beat Chelsea in quarter final . Mourinho arrogantly said that nothing has changed . I thought he was wrong but when I watched the match , I realized how much he was right about Chelsea . Ancelotti feared to change the style and thought we would still pull a victory .

Later , in second year Chelsea was 9 points behind United in EPL and during quarter final his fear of benching misfiring Torres for Drogba cost us progress against United in Champions League . Mourinho would not give a damn and bench whoever he thinks not fitting into team .

P.s. Not going to mention in details about him not standing for Ray Wilkins publicly.

"And when he left, under AVB Chelsea only managed to get 6th place."

This right here just assured me you do not know what you are talking about . Like I said do not talk about my club without knowing full well what happened that year .

"When Ancelotti came to Chelsea, the impact was instantaneous."

• Mate , Every time manager changed in Chelsea , there was instantaneous impact in Chelsea .

Avram Grant came and we went to final of 2008 Moscow CL

Scolari was sacked and Hiddink came and we won FA cup and should have been in 2009 CL final ( if it was not for disgrace semi final against barcelona )

and so on .

* "**Ancelotti was winning european trophies with Milan before Mourinho was a well known figure*. "

Mate , Mourinho during that time was making his way to the top literally from the bottom of football . Ancelotti rebuild Milan , but he fixed the problems he did not change the whole structure . IF you are giving credit to Ancelotti then give credit to Capelo and Arrigo Sacchi for putting that squad together and building champions mentality which Ancelotti revived .

Real Madrid is same as Chelsea story . Nothing different . Ancelotti is not doing anything magical , he simply allowing the team to play as it was build .

Btw how many domestic titles did Ancelotti win with AC Milan ?

PSG ? What is that has to with anything ?

I am not advocating against Ancelotti , all I am saying that he is not as good as Mourinho .

@the game When you talk about my club know your stuff otherwise do not say anything . And Yes I am huge fan of Mourinho, but by far not "fan -boy" , because before Mourinho I was a big fan of Wenger and Ferguson . Still am , but Mourinho tops them for me .

"So you are giving Ancelotti absolutely zero credit for anything he has done at Madrid or Chelsea? After Mourinho left in 2007, Chelsea went through 4 different managers and only won 1 FA cup in that period of time."

I could give him one credit for letting team to play the style they usually played . The team that MOurinho build was the one that brought those trophies and Acelotti did great job making sure team plays their suited style.

"And you clearly don't know that it is much harder to build on your predecessors successes than to create your own, showing your lack of football knowledge. "

I assure not once the style of the football has changed since Mourinho left in 2007 . Managers who tried to change style all have been fired .

Including Ancelotti . Do you know why Ancelotti was fired ? Amean after such incredible season why would not Abramovich keep him ? Even though we broke record , but we won the league in slightly controversial way . You are united fan , you should know this one. Ancelotti in second season tried to change the style, because Abramovich did not like the team that won 2009 - 2010 . He wanted Barca style of football not physical and direct Chelsea . ( Which I personally saw nothing wrong and still love it ) . It was beginning of transition in which Ancelotti was first victim .


He build success on Mourinho's team . No wonder why Mourinho beat Chelsea in quarter final . Mourinho arrogantly said that nothing has changed . I thought he was wrong but when I watched the match , I realized how much he was right about Chelsea . Ancelotti feared to change the style and thought we would still pull a victory .

Later , in second year Chelsea was 9 points behind United in EPL and during quarter final his fear of benching misfiring Torres for Drogba cost us progress against United in Champions League . Mourinho would not give a damn and bench whoever he thinks not fitting into team .

P.s. Not going to mention in details about him not standing for Ray Wilkins publicly.

"And when he left, under AVB Chelsea only managed to get 6th place."

This right here just assured me you do not know what you are talking about . Like I said do not talk about my club without knowing full well what happened that year .

"When Ancelotti came to Chelsea, the impact was instantaneous."

• Mate , Every time manager changed in Chelsea , there was instantaneous impact in Chelsea .

Avram Grant came and we went to final of 2008 Moscow CL

Scolari was sacked and Hiddink came and we won FA cup and should have been in 2009 CL final ( if it was not for disgrace semi final against barcelona )

and so on .

* "**Ancelotti was winning european trophies with Milan before Mourinho was a well known figure*. "

Mate , Mourinho during that time was making his way to the top literally from the bottom of football . Ancelotti rebuild Milan , but he fixed the problems he did not change the whole structure . IF you are giving credit to Ancelotti then give credit to Capelo and Arrigo Sacchi for putting that squad together and building champions mentality which Ancelotti revived .

Real Madrid is same as Chelsea story . Nothing different . Ancelotti is not doing anything magical , he simply allowing the team to play as it was build .

Btw how many domestic titles did Ancelotti win with AC Milan ?

PSG ? What is that has to with anything ?

I am not advocating against Ancelotti , all I am saying that he is not as good as Mourinho .

@Marcus you are bias because You are bias, its even worse if you know it because we couldnt argue with you.
Speaking about myself, i cant argue with someone who never admit things even when he is wrong, i made you taste your own medicine of hating and trolling and you seem not understanding that the whole world isnt a Bias chelsea fan.
You need to open your view and listen to others and come back and make a better view.

I couldnt even read your long argumentation because each time : Its you against the world and you are often wrong.
I consider you as a good member and your English is better than mine by far, dont take it as an attack but just as an advice.

For tiki-taka guys, you are doing the same thing as Counter attacking and Parking bus mode...
What we saw lately was just a useless possession, Tiki-taka is about movements, switching positions, high tactical knowledge of positionning, pressing without the ball.

Guardiola system was done the day he made Etoo leave, you can have an effective Tiki-taka if you have 2 ( pedro-Tevez or Lavezzi: pressing players ) with a Magista and a big influence 9 who can score important goals.
When a Tiki-taka team scores first, the game is 99 per cent over, few exceptions past years....

Ribery cant handle the pressure that were on Messi shoulders all those years, and cant be the focal point of a team.
I prefer hearing you talking about possession because actually when Etoo left, Guardiola success was mainly due to Messi incredible achievements...
I have seen many things recently about Guardiola off pitch, and he seems the opposite of what he tries to pretend, what an hypocrite...

Etoo is a Barça legend, and was disrespected by an amator coach that time even if he proved success, after hearing the whole story, i feel sorry for Etoo and angry about this hypocrite...
He even didnt go to see Tito in New york, Guardiola is the type of people i hate the most : Hypocrite and someone who pretends to be a person who is not.

The story he writed before his departure was beautiful enough to be false, and many legends were badly treated by him : Ronaldino, Etoo, Yaya Touré, Henry to name a few.

@Marcus you are bias because You are bias, its even worse if you know it because we couldnt argue with you.
Speaking about myself, i cant argue with someone who never admit things even when he is wrong.
You need to open your view and listen to others and come back and make a better view.

I couldnt even read your long argumentation because each time : Its you against the world and you are often wrong.
I consider you as a good member and your English is better than mine by far, dont take it as an attack but just as an advice.

For tiki-taka guys, you are doing the same thing as Counter attacking and Parking bus mode...
What we saw lately was just a useless possession, Tiki-taka is about movements, switching positions, high tactical knowledge of positionning, pressing without the ball.

Guardiola system was done the day he made Etoo leave, you can have an effective Tiki-taka if you have 2 ( pedro-Tevez or Lavezzi: pressing players ) with a Magista and a big influence 9 who can score important goals.
When a Tiki-taka team scores first, the game is 99 per cent over, few exceptions past years....

Ribery cant handle the pressure that were on Messi shoulders all those years, and cant be the focal point of a team.
I prefer hearing you talking about possession because actually when Etoo left, Guardiola success was mainly due to Messi incredible achievements...
I have seen many things recently about Guardiola off pitch, and he seems the opposite of what he tries to pretend, what an hypocrite...

Etoo is a Barça legend, and was disrespected by an amator coach that time even if he proved success, after hearing the whole story, i feel sorry for Etoo and angry about this hypocrite...
He even didnt go to see Tito in New york, Guardiola is the type of people i hate the most : Hypocrite and someone who pretends to be a person who is not.

The story he writed before his departure was beautiful enough to be false, and many legends were badly treated by him : Ronaldino, Etoo, Yaya Touré, Henry to name a few.

@Marcus you are bias because You are bias, its even worse if you know it because we couldnt argue with you.
Speaking about myself, i cant argue with someone who never admit things even when he is wrong.
You need to open your view and listen to others and come back and make a better view.

I couldnt even read your long argumentation because each time : Its you against the world and you are often wrong.
I consider you as a good member and your English is better than mine by far, dont take it as an attack but just as an advice.

For tiki-taka guys, you are doing the same thing as Counter attacking and Parking bus mode...
What we saw lately was just a useless possession, Tiki-taka is about movements, switching positions, high tactical knowledge of positionning, pressing without the ball.

Guardiola system was done the day he made Etoo leave, you can have an effective Tiki-taka if you have 2 ( pedro-Tevez or Lavezzi: pressing players ) with a Magista and a big influence 9 who can score important goals.
When a Tiki-taka team scores first, the game is 99 per cent over, few exceptions past years....

Ribery cant handle the pressure that were on Messi shoulders all those years, and cant be the focal point of a team.
I prefer hearing you talking about possession because actually when Etoo left, Guardiola success was mainly due to Messi incredible achievements...

I have seen many things recently about Guardiola off pitch, and he seems the opposite of what he tries to pretend, what an hypocrite...
Etoo is a Barça legend, and was disrespected by an amator coach that time even if he proved success, after hearing the whole story, i feel sorry for Etoo and angry about this hypocrite...
He even didnt go to see Tito in New york, Guardiola is the type of people i hate the most : Hypocrite and someone who pretends to be a person who is not.

The story he writed before his departure was beautiful enough to be false, and many legends were badly treated by him : Ronaldino, Etoo, Yaya Touré, Henry to name a few.

@Marcus :
you are bias because You are bias, its even worse if you know it because we couldnt argue with you.
Speaking about myself, i cant argue with someone who never admit things even when he is wrong.
You need to open your view and listen to others and come back and make a better view.
I couldnt even read your long argumentation because each time : Its you against the world and you are often wrong.
I consider you as a good member and your English is better than mine by far, dont take it as an attack but just as an advice.

For tiki-taka guys, you are doing the same thing as Counter attacking and Parking bus mode...
What we saw lately was just a useless possession, Tiki-taka is about movements, switching positions, high tactical knowledge of positionning, pressing without the ball.
Guardiola system was done the day he made Etoo leave, you can have an effective Tiki-taka if you have 2 ( pedro-Tevez or Lavezzi: pressing players ) with a Magista and a big influence 9 who can score important goals.
When a Tiki-taka team scores first, the game is 99 per cent over, few exceptions past years....

Ribery cant handle the pressure that were on Messi shoulders all those years, and cant be the focal point of a team.
I prefer hearing you talking about possession because actually when Etoo left, Guardiola success was mainly due to Messi incredible achievements...

I have seen many things recently about Guardiola off pitch, and he seems the opposite of what he tries to pretend, what an hypocrite...
Etoo is a Barça legend, and was disrespected by an amator coach that time even if he proved success, after hearing the whole story, i feel sorry for Etoo and angry about this hypocrite...
He even didnt go to see Tito in New york, Guardiola is the type of people i hate the most : Hypocrite and someone who pretends to be a person who is not.

The story he wrote before his departure was beautiful enough to be false, and many legends were badly treated by him : Ronaldino, Etoo, Yaya Touré, Henry to name a few.

@Marcus :
you are bias because You are bias, its even worse if you know it because we couldnt argue with you.
Speaking about myself, i cant argue with someone who never admit things even when he is wrong.
You need to open your view and listen to others and come back and make a better view.
I couldnt even read your long argumentation because each time : Its you against the world and you are often wrong.
I consider you as a good member and your English is better than mine by far, dont take it as an attack but just as an advice.

For tiki-taka guys, you are doing the same thing as Counter attacking and Parking bus mode...
What we saw lately was just a useless possession, Tiki-taka is about movements, switching positions, high tactical knowledge of positionning, pressing without the ball.
Guardiola system was done the day he made Etoo leave, you can have an effective Tiki-taka if you have 2 ( pedro-Tevez or Lavezzi: pressing players ) with a Magista and a big influence 9 who can score important goals.
When a Tiki-taka team scores first, the game is 99 per cent over, few exceptions past years....

Ribery cant handle the pressure that were on Messi shoulders all those years, and cant be the focal point of a team.
I prefer hearing you talking about possession because actually when Etoo left, Guardiola success was mainly due to Messi incredible achievements...

I have seen many things recently about Guardiola off pitch, and he seems the opposite of what he tries to pretend, what an hypocrite...
Etoo is a Barça legend, and was disrespected by an amator coach that time even if he proved success, after hearing the whole story, i feel sorry for Etoo and angry about this hypocrite...
He even didnt go to see Tito in New york, Guardiola is the type of people i hate the most : Hypocrite and someone who pretends to be a person who is not.

The story he wrote before his departure was beautiful enough to be false, and many legends were badly treated by him : Ronaldino, Etoo, Yaya Touré, Henry to name a few.

@Marcus

Want to see how much of a difference Ancelotti made? Look at this.

1. Lineup

Out of the 11 players Ancelotti uses most this season, only three have been purchased by Mourinho, and only two were frequently used by him. I highlighted them below.

Casillas/Lopez

Carvajal - Ramos - Pepe - Marcelo

Di Maria - Modric - Alonso

Bale - Benzema - Ronaldo

Still think that Ancelotti is winning because of Mourinho?

2. Defensive tactics

Mourinho managed to keep 16 clean sheets in all competitions last season with Real Madrid.
Ancelotti had managed to reach 16 clean sheets in the season by January. He currently has 29 clean sheets, with at least 4 games left to go.

3. Locker room

Under Mourinho, the locker room was divided. Whether it was the fault of the players or the manager, there is no question that the locker room was divided, and there was unrest in Madrid. Ancelotti introduced an unbelievable sense of calming to the locker room. He's kept everyone happy, and has managed the massive egos of players like Ronaldo, Ramos, and di Maria very well.

4. Young players

Under Mou, Morata was the only youngster to really be introduced to the first team, and even then, he barely played matches. This season, Morata has the same goals-per-minute record as Benzema in the league, and has scored more goals than he has ever had under Mourinho.

Jese has seen his breakthrough and has proved to be one for the future, and Dani Carvajal, who was sold by Mourinho, has seen massive improvements and performances this season. What's more, Ancelotti is trying his best to make Real Madrid a Spanish club once more. He's doing his best to keep the number of foreign and Spanish players in the lineup equal, and set a record this season for the most Spanish players ever fielded at once by Real Madrid since 2003.

@Marcus

Want to see how much of a difference Ancelotti made? Look at this.

1. Lineup

Out of the 11/12 players Ancelotti uses most this season, only three have been purchased by Mourinho, and only two were frequently used by him. I highlighted them below.

Casillas/Lopez
Carvajal - Ramos - Pepe - Marcelo
Di Maria - Modric - Alonso
Bale - Benzema - Ronaldo

And undoubtedly, Casillas is the better keeper, and will soon be restored to the #1 spot. Lopez has cost us too many times this season with silly mistakes. That would make only 2 Mourinho purchased players in our starting XI. Still think that Ancelotti is winning because of Mourinho?

2. Defensive tactics

Mourinho managed to keep 16 clean sheets in all competitions last season with Real Madrid.
Ancelotti had managed to reach 16 clean sheets in the season by January. He currently has 29 clean sheets, with at least 4 games left to go.

3. Locker room

Under Mourinho, the locker room was divided. Whether it was the fault of the players or the manager, there is no question that the locker room was divided, and there was unrest in Madrid. Ancelotti introduced an unbelievable sense of calming to the locker room. He's kept everyone happy, and has managed the massive egos of players like Ronaldo, Ramos, and di Maria very well.

4. Young players

Under Mou, Morata was the only youngster to really be introduced to the first team, and even then, he barely played matches. This season, Morata has the same goals-per-minute record as Benzema in the league, and has scored more goals than he has ever had under Mourinho.

Jese has seen his breakthrough and has proved to be one for the future, and Dani Carvajal, who was sold by Mourinho, has seen massive improvements and performances this season. What's more, Ancelotti is trying his best to make Real Madrid a Spanish club once more. He's doing his best to keep the number of foreign and Spanish players in the lineup equal, and set a record this season for the most Spanish players ever fielded at once by Real Madrid since 2003.

5. La Decima

Regardless of whether he wins it or not, Ancelotti has done something Mou always failed at with Madrid. He failed to reach the CL final. Ancelotti has already repeated the trick of winning the Copa in his first season against Barcelona, and is most likely going to lose the league title to Atletico, but has taken us that one step further by taking us to the final.

Still think that Ancelotti is successful because of Mourinho? I think not.