NovaRuk
8 years ago
What does the names in bold mean?
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NovaRuk
8 years ago
What does the names in bold mean?
_Gonzi_
8 years ago
messi has to be the ultimate club legend....time spent at a single club and amount of trophies won during that period. I mean no one even comes close to what he has contributed to a single club....everyone else is laughable. Plus he still has i'm assuming 5 years playing at a competitive level. You can argue giggs...but messi's contribution to barca is superior and his trophies are more valuable. I mean...community shields...that trophy is not as hotly contested as the supercopas in spain. Inesta and maldini as well...but one's long retired and the other is nearing his retirement.
Messi
Iniesta
Maldini
Giggs
Dynastian98
8 years ago
Edited
@Nova
I messed up with the names in bold. Let me fix them up.
@Gonzi
Well a number of factors go into Messi's club success. His team was one of the best in history, he was able to win multiple trophies while he was still a teenager due to the team still being among the very best in the world, and Barcelona has experienced immense amounts of stability throughout Messi's career (which you can't say with teams like Chelsea or Real Madrid). Of course, Messi being one of the greatest players of all time plays in his favor, but he was fortunate to play for Barca in the time that he did. Otherwise, I see players like Cristiano, Puskas, Di Stefano, R9 all winning similar amounts of trophies if they played in Barcelona as a forward during the Messi era.
@Nova
I messed up with the names in bold. Let me fix them up.
ashwin1729
8 years ago
Edited
How recent are we talking about?
If you're including the 90's, then for United clearly Keane, Beckham, and Schmeichel should be on the list
Also, Van der Saar, Vidic, Rooney, and Nistelrooy don't deserve to be italicized. They're our legends.
Evra and Ferdinand (yes, we know how shit he was the last year) should also be included.
Maybe RVP...but not sure on that one since he only played 3-4 years for us.
What do you say other United fans?
How recent are we talking about?
If you're including the 90's, then for United clearly Keane, Beckham, and Schmeichel should be on the list
Also, Van der Saar and Vidic don't deserve an astrix, they can be bolded.
Evra and Ferdinand (yes, we know how shit he was the last year) should also be included.
Maybe RVP...but not sure on that one since he only played 3-4 years for us.
What do you say other United fans?
How recent are we talking about?
If you're including the 90's, then for United clearly Keane, Beckham, and Schmeichel should be on the list
Also, Van der Saar, Vidic don't, Rooney, and Nistelrooy deserve to be italicized. They're our legends.
Evra and Ferdinand (yes, we know how shit he was the last year) should also be included.
Maybe RVP...but not sure on that one since he only played 3-4 years for us.
What do you say other United fans?
Dynastian98
8 years ago
@Ashwin
I'd say as for recent, a player who was active in the last 10 years. Post-2006, essentially. So Bergkamp barely makes the cut because he retired in 2006, but Tony Adams would not.
I'll put on Evra and Ferdinand if a few more people agree. I'll un-italicize Vidic and Van Der Sar, though.
ashwin1729
8 years ago
Edited
Also, Michael Owen would be a Liverpool legend imo...although he did play for United -_-
Edit: He didn't play for Pool post 2006. Just saw the time frame...:P
Sorry for too many edits, but Juventus should have Camoranesi...that dude could dribble past the entire team!
Also, Michael Owen would be a Liverpool legend imo...although he did play for United -_-
Also, Michael Owen would be a Liverpool legend imo...although he did play for United -_-
Edit: He didn't play for Pool post 2006. Just saw the time frame...:P
Dynastian98
8 years ago
Edited
@Ashwin
You're right, I completely forgot Owen. He retired in 2013 so it's fine.
@Ashwin
You're right, I completely forgot Owen.
_Gonzi_
8 years ago
i see your point dynastian, but what happened is history and "ifs" and "if they played.." aren't.
Dynastian98
8 years ago
Edited
@Gonzi
Yeah, you're right. Regardless of his fortune, Messi made the most out of his talent and his situation, and we all have to respect that. The amount of success he has experienced in Barcelona is downright astonishing.
@Gonzi
Yeah, you're right. Messi made the most out of his talent and his situation, and we all have to respect that. The amount of success he has experienced in Barcelona is downright astonishing.
_Gonzi_
8 years ago
making a case for club legends is hard...for example what about cr7? man u and real madrid? or maradona...amazing napoli success but how long did he play there? how about if amount of trophies doesn't matter, totti too? ronaldhino and r9....amazing but did they do enough for a single team? how about rooney....he's not a legend in my books...but maybe to a man u fan he is?. Consistency over a long period of time with a single team makes you a club legend...at least for me. Messi, Giggs, Maldini, Iniesta and Xavi are truly super club legends.
ashwin1729
8 years ago
@Gonzi:
I think Roo is a legend. His performance over the past 4 years has been shit, but he does a lot of other things for United than just scoring goals. And its not crazy to say that his performance became very limited just around the time Scholes left....so I think you can say that he still carried the club. Also, his falling out with Ferguson kind of sidelined him from all the action, and he wasn't the focal point when RVP came, but I think he still made the best of the situation. So saying Rooney is not a legend is a crime IMO when he sacrificed for the club by being a team player first (i.e. playing whatever role the team needed),,,
Dynastian98
8 years ago
@Gonzi
This is the reason I made this thread. Everyone has a slightly different opinion on the word "legend". For me, a legend is someone who leaves such an impression on the club that fans will sing and brag about them 50 years from now. They don't necessarily have to be successful, but they do have to be one of the best and consistent players the club has ever seen. For example, every Madridista knows the names Puskas, Di Stefano, Kopa, Gento, Didi, Butragueno, Michel, Sanchis, Hugo Sanchez... you get my point.
Now keep in mind that Raymond Kopa only played for Madrid from 1956-59, but he's definitely a club legend. He won a couple La Ligas, two European Cups, and a Ballon d'Or during his time with Madrid. If we look at Cristiano with United, he spent six years, won three titles, three domestic cups, a Champions League, a Golden Shoe, and a Ballon d'Or. On top of that, United fans consider him to be one of the Top 5 best players to ever play for their club. I'd certainly consider him a United legend. Maradona for Napoli? Absolutely. Time frame is certainly a factor, but what Maradona showed Napoli fans during his time there has been unmatched in their history. Naturally, Maradona is not a Barcelona legend because of the same reason you stated earlier.
ashwin1729
8 years ago
Edited
To add to Dynastian's argument, Rooney has won every trophy at Man Utd. He came close to getting the golden boot in 2010 I believe, but he was injured that season for 2 months and still came a close second to Drogba. If him and Fergie didn't have a fall out, and Rooney stuck to a position, we wouldn't be having this conversation today. Today, he surpassed Bobby Charlton's record. It took him a couple years more than what I expected, but it is still not an easy feat to achieve. Charlton's record stood since the 70's I believe. Anyone who doesn't consider Rooney to be an United legend, either are new to footy, or simply don't know much about the guy. With the United team of the past 4 years or so, any other striker wouldn't have fared much better either.
Argument can be made for Nistelrooy as a United legend too. Nistelrooy came to United after a surgery, and it was a transition period after the treble. Fergie started rebuilding the team and he gave us around 20+ goals every season (I think one season he had fitness issues, and didn't make that). His conversion rate is probably one of the best in United's history. I mean, all you had to do was pass the ball to him in the box, and he used to score. He was much better than Ronaldo for United within the in 15 yards. He is and will always be my favorite forward at United. He was the major reason United got a couple of titles when Arsenal was at their peak and consistently finished top 4 during transition period. I would even go as much to say that Nistelrooy deserves it over Ronnie considering the quality of the teams they played in. Statistics wouldn't lie here.
To add to Dynastian's argument, Rooney has won every trophy at Man Utd. He came close to getting the golden boot in 2010 I believe, but he was injured that season for 2 months and still came a close second to Drogba. If him and Fergie didn't have a fall out, and Rooney stuck to a position, we wouldn't be having this conversation today. Today, he surpassed Bobby Charlton's record. It took him a couple years more than what I expected, but it is still not an easy feat to achieve. Charlton's record stood since the 70's I believe. Anyone who doesn't consider Rooney to be an United legend, either are new to footy, or simply don't know much about the guy. With the United team of the past 4 years or so, any other striker wouldn't have fared much better either.
Argument can be made for Nistelrooy as a United legend too. Nistelrooy came to United after a surgery, and it was a transition period after the treble. Fergie started rebuilding the team and he gave us around 20+ goals every season (I think one season he had fitness issues, and didn't make that). His conversion rate is probably one of the best in United's history. I mean, all you had to do was pass the ball to him in the box, and he used to score. He was much better than Ronaldo for United within the in 15 yards. He is and will always be my favorite forward at United. He was the major reason United got a couple of titles when Arsenal was at their peak and consistently finished top 4 during transition period.
To add to Dynastian's argument, Rooney has won every trophy at Man Utd. He came close to getting the golden boot in 2010 I believe, but he was injured that season for 2 months and still came a close second to Drogba. If him and Fergie didn't have a fall out, and Rooney stuck to a position, we wouldn't be having this conversation today. Today, he surpassed Bobby Charlton's record. It took him a couple years more than what I expected, but it is still not an easy feat to achieve. Charlton's record stood since the 70's I believe. Anyone who doesn't consider Rooney to be an United legend, either are new to footy, or simply don't know much about the guy. With the United team of the past 4 years or so, any other striker wouldn't have fared much better either.
Argument can be made for Nistelrooy as a United legend too. Nistelrooy came to United after a surgery, and it was a transition period after the treble. Fergie started rebuilding the team and he gave us around 20+ goals every season (I think one season he had fitness issues, and didn't make that). His conversion rate is probably one of the best in United's history. I mean, all you had to do was pass the ball to him in the box, and he used to score. He was much better than Ronaldo for United within the in 15 yards. He is and will always be my favorite forward at United. He was the major reason United got a couple of titles when Arsenal was at their peak and consistently finished top 4 during transition period. I would even go as much to say that Nistelrooy deserves it over Ronnie considering the quality of the teams they played in. Statistics wouldn't lie here.
amir_keal
8 years ago
There's a lot more I think that could be added for Arsenal, but I think Sol Campbell and rosicky. With the latter, there will be people who disagrees, but I have always seen spark in Rosicky, hence why I call him a legend, and believe he should get his own statue at Arsenal FC.
KTBFFHSWE
8 years ago
Chelsea
Terry
Lampard
Drogba
Cech
Zola
Bobby Tambling
Peter Osgood
My personal opinion is that the term shouldn't be overused. But an interesting point of view came up in the other thread; Do you have to be world class to be a legend? Or is commitment and love (from player and fans) enough?
Salahadin
8 years ago
For Real Madrid
Zidan
Roberto Carlos
Sergio Ramos
Casilas
Raul
C. Ronaldo
Marcelo
Pepe
Modric
Alonso
Ronaldo
Arsenal
Henry
Berkamp
Peres
United
Schools
Beckham
Roony
Dynastian98
8 years ago
I'm going to add Beckham to the list since many people seem to agree he's a United legend.
quikzyyy
8 years ago
I would add to Arsenal: Tony Adams, Ian Wright
SoccerBoss
8 years ago
This might seem a little crazy to some folks 'round here, but I see Victor Valdez as a legend of Barcelona. His passion for the game was hard to overlook. Even though he might actually not be that good, he still had a great influence on Barcelona.
amir_keal
8 years ago
Quikzyyy- I was thinking that, but it's post 2006.
Since I was intrigued by the comments on the Mikel thread, I'm curious to the players in recent memory you would consider to be "club legends". Here are the ones I have down.
RULES
Debate freely if you wish, but these are the ones I have down so far. If there's more you wish to add/remove from the list then let's hear your arguments for/against a player. I italicized ones I am unsure of.
The list is mostly full of players who have left/retired recently or are still active.
Real Madrid
Raul Gonzalez
Sergio Ramos
Cristiano Ronaldo
Roberto Carlos
Iker Casillas
Zinedine Zidane
Guti
Xabi Alonso
Barcelona
Andres Iniesta
Xavi Hernandez
Lionel Messi
Carles Puyol
Ronaldinho
Samuel Eto'o
Atletico
Fernando Torres
Valencia
David Villa
Chelsea
John Terry
Frank Lampard
Didier Drogba
Petr Cech
Ashley Cole
Manchester United
Paul Scholes
Ryan Giggs
Cristiano Ronaldo
Ruud van Nistelrooy
Edwin van der Sar
Wayne Rooney
David Beckham
Nemanja Vidic
Arsenal
Robert Pires
Patrick Vieira
Dennis Bergkamp
Thierry Henry
Lilian Thuram
Cesc Fabregas
Robin van Persie
Liverpool
Jamie Carragher
Michael Owen
Steven Gerrard
Xabi Alonso
Luis Suarez
Fernando Torres
Tottenham Hotspurs
Gareth Bale
AC Milan
Ricardo Kaka
Andrea Pirlo
Filippo Inzaghi
Gennaro Gattuso
Andriy Shevchenko
Paolo Maldini
Alessandro Nesta
Clarence Seedorf
Zlatan Ibrahimovic
Inter Milan
Javier Zanetti
Wesley Sneijder
Juventus
Alessandro Del Piero
Gianluigi Buffon
Pavel Nedved
Andrea Pirlo
Roma
Francesco Totti
Bayern Munchen
Franck Ribery
Philipp Lahm
Arjen Robben
Oliver Kahn
Bastian Schweinsteiger
Manuel Neuer
Thomas Muller
Since I was intrigued by the comments on the Mikel thread, I'm curious to the players in recent memory you would consider to be "club legends". Here are the ones I have down.
RULES
Debate freely if you wish, but these are the ones I have down so far. If there's more you wish to add/remove from the list then let's hear your arguments for/against a player. I put asterisks against one's I am unsure of.
The list is mostly full of players who have left/retired recently or are still active.
Real Madrid
Raul Gonzalez
Sergio Ramos
Cristiano Ronaldo
Roberto Carlos
Iker Casillas
Zinedine Zidane
*Guti**
Barcelona
Andres Iniesta
Xavi Hernandez
Lionel Messi
Carles Puyol
Ronaldinho
*Deco*
Samuel Eto'o**
Atletico
Fernando Torres
Valencia
*David Villa**
Chelsea
John Terry
Frank Lampard
Didier Drogba
Petr Cech
*Ashley Cole**
Manchester United
Paul Scholes
Ryan Giggs
Cristiano Ronaldo
*Ruud van Nistelrooy
*Edwin van der Sar*
Wayne Rooney
*Nemanja Vidic**
Arsenal
Robert Pires
Patrick Vieira
Dennis Bergkamp
Thierry Henry
Lilian Thuram
*Cesc Fabregas*
Robin van Persie**
Liverpool
Jamie Carragher
Steven Gerrard
*Xabi Alonso
*Luis Suarez*
Fernando Torres
Tottenham Hotspurs
*Gareth Bale**
AC Milan
Ricardo Kaka
Andrea Pirlo
Filippo Inzaghi
Gennaro Gattuso
Andriy Shevchenko
Paolo Maldini
Alessandro Nesta
Clarence Seedorf
*Zlatan Ibrahimovic**
Inter Milan
Javier Zanetti
*Wesley Sneijder**
Juventus
Alessandro Del Piero
Gianluigi Buffon
Pavel Nedved
*Andrea Pirlo**
Roma
Francesco Totti
Bayern Munchen
Franck Ribery
Philipp Lahm
Arjen Robben
Oliver Kahn
Bastian Schweinsteiger
*Manuel Neuer*
Thomas Muller**
Since I was intrigued by the comments on the Mikel thread, I'm curious to the players in recent memory you would consider to be "club legends". Here are the ones I have down.
RULES
Debate freely if you wish, but these are the ones I have down so far. If there's more you wish to add/remove from the list then let's hear your arguments for/against a player. I italicized ones I am unsure of.
The list is mostly full of players who have left/retired recently or are still active.
Real Madrid
Raul Gonzalez
Sergio Ramos
Cristiano Ronaldo
Roberto Carlos
Iker Casillas
Zinedine Zidane
Guti
Barcelona
Andres Iniesta
Xavi Hernandez
Lionel Messi
Carles Puyol
Ronaldinho
Deco
Samuel Eto'o
Atletico
Fernando Torres
Valencia
David Villa
Chelsea
John Terry
Frank Lampard
Didier Drogba
Petr Cech
Ashley Cole
Manchester United
Paul Scholes
Ryan Giggs
Cristiano Ronaldo
Ruud van Nistelrooy
Edwin van der Sar
Wayne Rooney
Nemanja Vidic
Arsenal
Robert Pires
Patrick Vieira
Dennis Bergkamp
Thierry Henry
Lilian Thuram
Cesc Fabregas
Robin van Persie
Liverpool
Jamie Carragher
Steven Gerrard
Xabi Alonso
Luis Suarez
Fernando Torres
Tottenham Hotspurs
Gareth Bale
AC Milan
Ricardo Kaka
Andrea Pirlo
Filippo Inzaghi
Gennaro Gattuso
Andriy Shevchenko
Paolo Maldini
Alessandro Nesta
Clarence Seedorf
Zlatan Ibrahimovic
Inter Milan
Javier Zanetti
Wesley Sneijder
Juventus
Alessandro Del Piero
Gianluigi Buffon
Pavel Nedved
Andrea Pirlo
Roma
Francesco Totti
Bayern Munchen
Franck Ribery
Philipp Lahm
Arjen Robben
Oliver Kahn
Bastian Schweinsteiger
Manuel Neuer
Thomas Muller
Since I was intrigued by the comments on the Mikel thread, I'm curious to the players in recent memory you would consider to be "club legends". Here are the ones I have down.
RULES
Debate freely if you wish, but these are the ones I have down so far. If there's more you wish to add/remove from the list then let's hear your arguments for/against a player. I italicized ones I am unsure of.
The list is mostly full of players who have left/retired recently or are still active.
Real Madrid
Raul Gonzalez
Sergio Ramos
Cristiano Ronaldo
Roberto Carlos
Iker Casillas
Zinedine Zidane
Guti
Barcelona
Andres Iniesta
Xavi Hernandez
Lionel Messi
Carles Puyol
Ronaldinho
Deco
Samuel Eto'o
Atletico
Fernando Torres
Valencia
David Villa
Chelsea
John Terry
Frank Lampard
Didier Drogba
Petr Cech
Ashley Cole
Manchester United
Paul Scholes
Ryan Giggs
Cristiano Ronaldo
Ruud van Nistelrooy
Edwin van der Sar
Wayne Rooney
Nemanja Vidic
Arsenal
Robert Pires
Patrick Vieira
Dennis Bergkamp
Thierry Henry
Lilian Thuram
Cesc Fabregas
Robin van Persie
Liverpool
Jamie Carragher
Steven Gerrard
Xabi Alonso
Luis Suarez
Fernando Torres
Tottenham Hotspurs
Gareth Bale
AC Milan
Ricardo Kaka
Andrea Pirlo
Filippo Inzaghi
Gennaro Gattuso
Andriy Shevchenko
Paolo Maldini
Alessandro Nesta
Clarence Seedorf
Zlatan Ibrahimovic
Inter Milan
Javier Zanetti
Wesley Sneijder
Juventus
Alessandro Del Piero
Gianluigi Buffon
Pavel Nedved
Andrea Pirlo
Roma
Francesco Totti
Bayern Munchen
Franck Ribery
Philipp Lahm
Arjen Robben
Oliver Kahn
Bastian Schweinsteiger
Manuel Neuer
Thomas Muller
Since I was intrigued by the comments on the Mikel thread, I'm curious to the players in recent memory you would consider to be "club legends". Here are the ones I have down.
RULES
Debate freely if you wish, but these are the ones I have down so far. If there's more you wish to add/remove from the list then let's hear your arguments for/against a player. I italicized ones I am unsure of.
The list is mostly full of players who have left/retired recently or are still active.
Real Madrid
Raul Gonzalez
Sergio Ramos
Cristiano Ronaldo
Roberto Carlos
Iker Casillas
Zinedine Zidane
Guti
Barcelona
Andres Iniesta
Xavi Hernandez
Lionel Messi
Carles Puyol
Ronaldinho
Deco
Samuel Eto'o
Atletico
Fernando Torres
Valencia
David Villa
Chelsea
John Terry
Frank Lampard
Didier Drogba
Petr Cech
Ashley Cole
Manchester United
Paul Scholes
Ryan Giggs
Cristiano Ronaldo
Ruud van Nistelrooy
Edwin van der Sar
Wayne Rooney
Nemanja Vidic
Arsenal
Robert Pires
Patrick Vieira
Dennis Bergkamp
Thierry Henry
Lilian Thuram
Cesc Fabregas
Robin van Persie
Liverpool
Jamie Carragher
Michael Owen
Steven Gerrard
Xabi Alonso
Luis Suarez
Fernando Torres
Tottenham Hotspurs
Gareth Bale
AC Milan
Ricardo Kaka
Andrea Pirlo
Filippo Inzaghi
Gennaro Gattuso
Andriy Shevchenko
Paolo Maldini
Alessandro Nesta
Clarence Seedorf
Zlatan Ibrahimovic
Inter Milan
Javier Zanetti
Wesley Sneijder
Juventus
Alessandro Del Piero
Gianluigi Buffon
Pavel Nedved
Andrea Pirlo
Roma
Francesco Totti
Bayern Munchen
Franck Ribery
Philipp Lahm
Arjen Robben
Oliver Kahn
Bastian Schweinsteiger
Manuel Neuer
Thomas Muller
Since I was intrigued by the comments on the Mikel thread, I'm curious to the players in recent memory you would consider to be "club legends". Here are the ones I have down.
RULES
Debate freely if you wish, but these are the ones I have down so far. If there's more you wish to add/remove from the list then let's hear your arguments for/against a player. I italicized ones I am unsure of.
The list is mostly full of players who have left/retired recently or are still active.
Real Madrid
Raul Gonzalez
Sergio Ramos
Cristiano Ronaldo
Roberto Carlos
Iker Casillas
Zinedine Zidane
Guti
Barcelona
Andres Iniesta
Xavi Hernandez
Lionel Messi
Carles Puyol
Ronaldinho
Deco
Samuel Eto'o
Atletico
Fernando Torres
Valencia
David Villa
Chelsea
John Terry
Frank Lampard
Didier Drogba
Petr Cech
Ashley Cole
Manchester United
Paul Scholes
Ryan Giggs
Cristiano Ronaldo
Ruud van Nistelrooy
Edwin van der Sar
Wayne Rooney
David Beckham
Nemanja Vidic
Arsenal
Robert Pires
Patrick Vieira
Dennis Bergkamp
Thierry Henry
Lilian Thuram
Cesc Fabregas
Robin van Persie
Liverpool
Jamie Carragher
Michael Owen
Steven Gerrard
Xabi Alonso
Luis Suarez
Fernando Torres
Tottenham Hotspurs
Gareth Bale
AC Milan
Ricardo Kaka
Andrea Pirlo
Filippo Inzaghi
Gennaro Gattuso
Andriy Shevchenko
Paolo Maldini
Alessandro Nesta
Clarence Seedorf
Zlatan Ibrahimovic
Inter Milan
Javier Zanetti
Wesley Sneijder
Juventus
Alessandro Del Piero
Gianluigi Buffon
Pavel Nedved
Andrea Pirlo
Roma
Francesco Totti
Bayern Munchen
Franck Ribery
Philipp Lahm
Arjen Robben
Oliver Kahn
Bastian Schweinsteiger
Manuel Neuer
Thomas Muller