tiki and knibis argue that this is the case in this thread: http://footyroom.com/forum/football-talk/tv-rights-money-distribution-over-top-5-leagues-66917/1/

The topic is quite a bold statement and I totally disagree with this. What are your thoughts?

Why would this be true? Why wouldn't this be true?

@IamRDM

"i'd love to have valencia, sevilla and villareal in EPL, chelsea will get easy 18 points every season. :) :)"

• Careful what you wish for! Those three are much better than they seem. :)

Well anyway Courthois was bought not formed, as if we loan the Brazilian Douglas or Vermaelen, players that we had absolutely no influence on their progression.
Barça and Madrid forms incredible amount of players spread arround the Liga and now arround Europe, with Callejon, Morata, Cheryshev, Bojan, Bellerin, Cesc, Dos Santos Brothers, Cuenca, Tello, Nolito..... actually more than 70 for them both and Spain is about forming and have healthy environment for players progression.
Never say this is our formed player while they score regurlarly against both of them, its Football...

For Atletico before Courthois-Simeone, i though what happened at UEFA Supercup was an accident when Falaco team riped Benitez Chelsea appart 4-1, today i dont think so and Even Bilbao made some surprises wins against English top 4 teams earlier and thats first starts mkes me wondering if those Spanish teams are really weaker than midtable PL teams.
Then why all of them mostly faced English top 4 and none of them has negative results in direct confrontations ?

Sevilla last year with an amazing team, got Rakitic, Bacca, Kevin Gameiro, Stephane M'bia and some other goof players wen to Bernabeu and lost 7-3, at highlight comment the weak boring league comments were incredible.
Sevilla Finished winning El ahead of Benfica and many teams beaten fair and square, at the same year Madrid ripped a strong Schealke 1-6, a good Galatasaray side with Drogba/Sneider in turkey 0-5, Bayern in Germany 0-4 and nobody was saying that those teams were weak despite being trashed...

This is the real point, those teams were only considered as Barça/Real' s dolls, but when Madrid go to Liverpool and lead by 0-3 in 35 minutes, subs Ronaldo and rest players earlier in second half preparing for Clasico, this show how is the actual gap between a team like Madrid and Liverpool, and this gap between those Spanish teams is looking much more closer considering Madrid lost to Valencia fair and square and drew to Villareal while their Sevillan game away is one of the games Madrid struggles the most, lost 2-1 last year....

Long run or not, la Liga are still underrated so maybe English teams just cant adapt to other Europeen styles and are strong while facing each others, but one thing is sure : The incredible competitivity is between Barça/Madrid you should have 90 pts at least to win the league and no league offers that dificulty, maybe Bayern are the only one who could follow in Europe, and this has overshadowed many good clubs and good teams who have at least a good europeen level....

Same shit, different day... :-) when will you guys finally get tired of these arguments?

When mighty Spurs or Liverpool comments will stop.
Or when people realize that players wages isnt a criteria....

For the sake of the discussion (otherwise all if would fail), I think La Liga team would do really well in EPL, including the like of Valencia...

MU has been painful to watch, really... there is ABSOLUTELY nothing sparks out of our last 20 games, and yet look at where we are...

Yeah, lucky, De Gea etc... but it just all our teams aren't that good anymore, all running rushing like bunch of headless chickens... it's time for EPL to change too... English football hits bottoms for the last 5 years already... so... time to wake up.

@raimondo90 Chelsea beat Real Madrid in 1998 without Abramovich and we did a lot without him while our rivals had a rich owners and did what Chelsea are doing under Abramovich..

This whole comparison is so pointless and it's only about opinions and in my opinion La Liga with all respect but it's the most boring league in Europe aside from dirty classico which shows everything but football. La liga is only about politics and fashion. EPL is for real men and real football. That's again only my opinion.

Valencia, Sevilla and Villareal are strong teams, but they wouldn't be strong for enough to stay in first 7 places long. And lets end debate - EPL is best quality league, but La Liga has more sucess in European competitions. Bottom teams from La Liga would never win versus mid-table teams from EPL. Mid-table EPL teams vs. Mid-table La Liga teams will be different situation - it would be entertaining at all.

It's just a ridiculous statement. Chelsea would have no problem crushing Valencia, Sevilla and definitively villareal. Villareal is a an averagely good team in La Liga and you think they're as good as the top teams of the BPL.. I mean just 2 years ago they played 2nd tier in Spanish football.. I mean Come On.. Come on...

Meanwhile I'd be glad for a draw against Arsenal, City, Liverpool and even United in any given situation.. It's as simple as that.

And there's no point in using individual matches that didn't end well for the English teams in European cups as some sort of final meassure that they aren't as good as the teams you mentioned. We can do the same thing with all the la liga teams. Remember the 5-1 aggregate Villareal-City etc?

Finally, about the mid-teams.. So in the one ring corner we got Tottenham, Swansea, Everton, West Ham, Stoke, Newcastle, Crystal Palace and West Bromwich

In the other ring corner we've got Malaga, Celta Vigo, Espanyol, Athletic Bilbao, Rayo Vallecano, Real Sociedad, Eibar and Getafe.

The only team they would beat is PERHAPS crystal Palace and West Bromwich. But I'm guessing they would have a hard time doing that even with Pardew as manager for CP. MEANWHILE if we take Chelsea in the league for example.. Spurs would be a hard game to win anytime both home and away, Meeting Everton, Stoke and West Ham away are all very tough games.. where 3 points is FAR FROM guaranteed. Just look at the latest 0-1 win over West Ham.. Chelsea just narrowly won after putting on a great performance.. Now tell me how hard it is to beat Rayo Vallecano, Celta Vigo, Eibar and Getafe... And the other teams as well.. What will the score be when Barca takes on Rayo Vallecano next (11th in the league)? 5-0? 6-0? More?

• "a huge portion of the best players in the EPL have perfected their art in La Liga itself. "*

LMAO huge portion perfected their art ? ok . Please , next ... bias opinion you have , this one has too much BS .

"When Arsenal want to buy players who will push their team to the next level, where do they look? Spain. When Chelsea want to buy a few players to solidify their team, where do they get them from? Spain. When Manchester United is looking for a Ronaldo-like figure to push their team back to success again, where did they go? Spain. When Manchester City was looking to buy players to bring their financially-backed team to the spotlight, where did they go shopping? Spain."

• EPL is their next level not them taking clubs to next level. Addition to a club to fill the areas where certain quality needed because they are cheap. If they fail, they go back to where they came from .

• What Next level did Spanish players took Arsenal ? Last time checked , they actually dropped in overall performance. Loosing 3-1 at home to Monaco . It is been Same level for the last decade, nothing changed .

What next level did Di Maria take United ? Btw where was he in the last game ? I smell another Veron .

It is Manchester City who made Silva and Aguero to the next level . They were talents . Not world class. Balotelli is a talent but is he world class player . No . Only finished product that really helped was Yaya Toure , but then again Yaya was not so great at the beginning . PLus Always a flop in Europe. DId you ever see Yaya step up in Europe ? NO .

Chelsea bought a striker that we needed . One available was in Atletico for reasonable fee . Fabregas is EPL product that was brought back to where he does not ruin his career for Cheap price . Filippe Luis was brought for depth in the club and variety against certain opposition , but he has not kicked anyone off .

We buy good players for cheap from Spain , no doubt but we polish them , develop them and make them world class . LMAO SO ridiculous to say that they take us to next level. It is us who take their careers and help them to go to next level .

"You are a pitiful creature, really. Courtois was Atletico's goalkeeper that night."

No Chelsea player on loan at Atletico that night with UEFA help .

" ntire squad made from blood-soaked dollar bills taken from a Russian billionaires filthy and corrupted as.shole."

Where is the proof ? Like always when you have nothing to say , you pull made up crap out of your a*s . Was he in court for those allegation ? Wait a minute I know one club's owner who was . You might know him . I will give you hint , Florent Perez . Charged with corruption .

Real Madrid parked the bus against Bayern? Yeah, that's exactly why we won 5-0, am I right?

• You see that blue circle , the dark blue indicates that team who had two most expensive ( one of them best player in th world ) players , parked the bus and later claimed it was counter attacking football . Duhh Yes , that is what you do in park bus . You sit back deep and if you have good fast attacking players , you hit them on the break .
  I thought you know this .

• *

"Ancelotti left that club before it became a regular habit."

Damn , you have so much made up crap .
Ancelotti was fired ! For lack of ideas and failing to integrate Torres into our squad . He never stood up for what he believed and never stood up for Ray Wilkins . Those two things were his downfall . He implemented the club that Mourinho build , played exact football with slight changes . You know what those changes were ? We conceded more and lost our first home games during his reign . Wait a minute , is not samething is happening at Madrid now . Ohh yeah .

"Getting lucky against a half-injured Dortmund team? Dortmund were lucky that Ronaldo was injured throughout both legs, because if he took that penalty that di Maria missed, we would've been 4-0 in the lead and we wouldn't have looked behind."

Ooh wow Dyna great argument ! I am impressed . So , in your mind having your best player missing is worse than having most of your regular starting 11 missing ? Trying to understand your logic. Perhaps , do you think that madrid would have won if Ronaldo played, and ramos , modric , di maria , bale and lets say few more did not play ? I see , you will answer yes , because Ronaldo will take the penalty . Good for him .

"Seriously, I thought we were going to have a healthy discussion like men. "

• Says the guy who paints an image of himself as well "balanced and unbiased " forum member . You are two faced hypocrite , how can I have a normal conversation with someone like you . No , mate, I am destined to slap that other face back to senses every time you cross that line with your borderline BS . I was trying to stay away from this discussion but seeing how bold you get with others , just could not hold my self to bring you back to earth .

"Because Spain is not good at anything else as a country"

• Am I lying , ask Germans what they think of Spain ? That is why they let Spanish football to do whatever they want ,so they can somehow show the country in better light . Giving big club like Madrid tax breaks and still have nerve to ask EU for bailout ! Pigs of europe . I know what I said and I stand by my words . Actually words of many countries in Europe.

LOL Why should Chelsea fans be liked by anyone ? I know everyone loves Madrid fans . What is average IQ of Madrid fan ? Every person that does not crap about football is Madrid fan . We see them every day in pubs. That is why we love them , because we can f8ck around with them ))

Guys this thread is not about Real vs Chelsea. No need to bash each others teams with irrelevant information about past games. I for one respect Real Madrid. A lot more than Barcelona for example, but that doesn't matter here. This thread is not about which countries who come up with the best talents either.

The main discussion is about certain individuals statements that Villareal/Sevilla and Valencia would all compete for the title in the English PL (LOL). The other subject of discussion which came up in the very same statement is: Would Spanish mid-table teams beat the mid-table teams in EPL.. ?

So who thinks that villareal would be in the top4 in EPL?

Who thinks that Valencia would be in the top 4 in EPL?

Who thinks that Sevilla would be in the top 4 in EPL?

Anyone? Particularly interested what you've got to say about Villareal..

Can we likes of Rayo Vallecano, Eibar and Getafe compete with mid-table teams in EPL? Can they compete with any team in the EPL? Would they stand a chance against Stoke, Swansea, Tottenham and Everton? I think not, but what do you think?

Can top La Liga teams beat Bradford City from League 1 to begin with? ;)

@ tuan_jinn
+1

Everyone is ignoring the fact that La Liga teams would have higher revenue in BPL and thus be able to improve squads. Ive already stated it and it was completely ignored. BPL is nothing without its money.

With this in mind Valencia would surely end in top 4 in BPL.

But this conversation has just gotten redundant with what is being said. BPL fans believe La liga teams would fail where as Liga fans believe its actually possible.

Marketing of the BPL is the main reason why BPL is so "amazing". Every league has good teams and good and bad things about it. I enjoy watching both leagues and think that the physical aspect of the BPL would fail against a solid technical display from a Liga team. But in the end the Germans would dominate both leagues.

Aaannd Here comes the Bundesliga :D
I've noticed your opinion and I think everyone agrees about the revenues but if you are gonna play in EPL, you need a deep squad. If you don't have enough depth in your squad, you won't survive the intensity of EPL and it's cups. So I think that may equalize things.

We're simply talking about the current teams and squads. Not what the potential differences would be if the terms changes for the teams. We simply MOVE one team from a league to another without any added bonuses. Keep too the subjects fellas!

Now, would Villareal be able to even remotely threaten the top teams in BPL for the league title as some people suggests? Or Valencia and Sevilla for that matter..

And what about the mid-table teams in la liga.. Would they stand a chance against Tottenham, Everton, Stoke and West Ham etc? What do you think?

they dont have to come to EPL, EPL will send stoke city to la liga instead, to wreck them :) :)

Tottenham XD, lost 11-1 to City on agg, spaces wide open for any Spanish style City included...
I would bet on any Spanish team ( ANY ) playing Tottenham...

People you are all judging like the media, please try to judge as football fans.

When comparing Villareal/Valencia/Sevilla with the BPL teams you need to consider 2 things

1) If the 3 teams played against BPL teams in Europa league or Champions league

2) If the 3 teams were to consider to play in the BPL and where will they finish.

For number 1:

If Villareal, Valencia or Sevilla played against Arsenal, Liverpool or Man united There is a probability that the spanish teams will win like 4-3 agg. For teams like City and Chelsea, i bet they are gonna give them a run for their money. But City and Chelsea will win.

For number 2:

I bet the teams will place 5-7 respectively because the BPL play constantly with lower breaks than any league in the world which lead to better stamina, strength and physicality than most teams in different leagues. Villareal and the others wont last long playing constantly cause I know that they will get extremely exhausted and wont be even 40% fit in almost 3/4 of the games

However if the BPL had more breaks, i bet the BPL teams will perform way better in the Europa and UCL, well because the BPL have a bucket load of injuries. They need to know that playing and traveling constantly will exhaust them and cause severe injuries to the teams.

Nevertheless, Valencia, Villareal and Sevilla will be able to beat the BPL teams in Europa or UCL, but maybe fighting for the Europa league position but if they can handle the constant number of games they can be First place contenders of the BPL, especially Valencia.

Oh good grief. You guys really made a thread about this stupid claim?

Of COURSE they wouldn't be top contenders in the PL. What a ridiculous thing for anyone to say. I can't be bothered to wade through the huge bulk of nonsense that I'm sure everyone's favorite La Liga fan boy has spewed, but here's a few points from the last few posts:

@rai:

"Everyone is ignoring the fact that La Liga teams would have higher revenue in BPL and thus be able to improve squads. Ive already stated it and it was completely ignored. BPL is nothing without its money."

That's not true at all, because what that money translates to is DIVERSITY. There are so many players, from so many different countries, with a mix of so many styles, that you simply cannot ignore the competitiveness this brings. You want to talk about something being based on money?

Go take a look at Real and Barca's billions, and the 500m debt that Atletico STILL haven't started to pay off because the corrupt Spanish system doesn't force them to. Their success is propped up by hideous TV rights inequities, and UEFA/La Liga being insanely biased towards giving them a helping hand.

Real and Barcelona would be nothing, NOTHING without money. Remember in 2009, when mighty Madrid got spanked by Liverpool? How much money did they spend to fix this? How much money was spent to assemble to squad they have? How much money did Barcelona spend, since Rijkaard?

Here's a hint: only City have spent more.

Real and Barcelona would be nothing without money, and La Liga would be NOTHING without Real and Barca.

THAT's the difference, and the truth. Without them? La Liga would be like Portugal's league: occasionally doing well in the CL but otherwise only able to compete for the EL instead.

So please. Enough of this crap about 'money'.

Oh, and by the way? If Valencia, or Villareal or Sevilla were to move to the PL and become richer? Then guess what: they would no longer be the clubs they used to be. Because they would be PL clubs. As they are RIGHT NOW there is no way that they could compete for the top honours in the PL.

No way at all. This is just fact.

How about we move Tottenham over to Spain, and give them an enormous revenue advantage so that they can plunder the rest of the league's best players over and over again? Which would be ironic, considering how few of Barca and Real's top players came from within La Liga anyhow.

Why are we wasting time on this crap again? Oh, yeah, because the La Liga fan-boys can't stop saying stupid sh.it that clearly makes no sense and is entirely aimed at insulting and antagonizing PL users on FootyRoom.

For example?

"I would bet on any Spanish team ( ANY ) playing Tottenham.."

See? He's just a MORON who doesn't know anything about football.

This is the reason why FootyRoom is now a crappy place that is not worth hanging out in. This English-speaking, English-based site about a sport which the English started, is now just a sounding board for anti-English bullshit.