In your point of view...

Mine is:

1 - Premier league
2 - La liga BBVA
3 - Bundesliga
4 - Serie A
5 - Ligue 1
6 - Eredivisie
7 - Liga zon sagres
8 - Russian PL
9 - Turkish league
10 - Ukranian league

In your point of view, considering competitiveness and excitement

Mine is:

1 - Premier league
2 - La liga BBVA
3 - Bundesliga
4 - Serie A
5 - Ligue 1
6 - Eredivisie
7 - Liga zon sagres
8 - Russian PL
9 - Turkish league
10 - Ukranian league

Considering competitiveness and excitement

Mine is:

1 - Premier league
2 - La liga BBVA
3 - Bundesliga
4 - Serie A
5 - Ligue 1
6 - Eredivisie
7 - Liga zon sagres
8 - Russian PL
9 - Turkish league
10 - Ukranian league

Ok, my list may be strange , most because I follow just my top five =D
That's why I wanna see your point of view

@KTB

Erm, not as much you'd think. Excitement = more tense positions. As of right now, the EPL has incredibly tight positions - particularly at the top. Not saying that La Liga doesn't as well, but if you look at it realistically only three teams can win La Liga this season (the same three that have been competing for the title for the last three seasons as well.... and oh yeah, two of those teams have been competing for the last 30 years). The EPL is more exciting right now because...

1. Arsenal have not won in more than a decade
2. Leicester has never won the PL
3. City are visibly the favorites on paper but are struggling with form and injury

If you were to compare the excitement in Spain, it's not as much. Atletico, Real, and Barca are all mostly fit and winning the majority of their games at home whereas away games are the only tense match-ups for these teams (which is particularly why I love watching La Liga away matches... they're incredibly tense and have some terrific technical footbal on display). League strength has nothing to do with this. It's relative strength within one's own league. Right now, the EPL is the only exciting league out of the five major ones. And I can use facts to back this up.

People can throw all the rabbish they want even positioning championship if it can please them, then they should save their nerves and let others give their view.... By the way who could put more than 5 goals on Espagnol outside of Spain ? Bayern on a good day and only them, maybe PSG in second half making the break and dominating the end but killing games is not that easy, first you need to have a world class team and player, it's not with Cavani that you will score 3/4 of your chances. Then if someone watched the game the first goal came quickly then rightfully given Pk and a deflection from a on side shot, lucky ? Not because luck you need to provoke it...
Barca played Espagnol and if I reckon they made us more trouble than CIty as an example not going to say they are better but if you don't have the weapons you will never score that much....
its not easy to kill a game that easy, ask Simeone and Atleti who are used to win 1-0 in injury times at times, last times Betis who is not considered as a strong team in Spain were able to get a draw vs full strength Madrid for the simple reason that they scored first and defended well until the late minute, that caused trouble and doubt on players who missed chances they aren't used to miss. If Madrid scored first the score who look like to Espagnol one because it escalates quickly with wc players....
As Roma took 6-1 for the simple reason, you don't run as much while loosing 2-0 like at 0-0 or 1-1, hope gives you wings. Barca would have never won 4-0 in Bernabeu if Madrid scored first not even won...
All this to say that we should appreciate teams makes the game easier for them rather then just say it was easy, if you watch all Atletico games knowing how strong they really are and the difficulties they have to win games you first appreciate their commitment and sacrifice and then look to la liga with other eyes than just Rm/Barca highlight basic watcher.... Or wait and ask Neville/Moyes on how easy is the league.

People can throw all the rabbish they want even positioning championship if it can please them, then they should save their nerves and let others give their view.... By the way who could put more than 5 goals on Espagnol outside of Spain ? Bayern on a good day and only them, maybe PSG in second half making the break and dominating the end but killing games is not that easy, first you need to have a world class team and player, it's not with Cavani that you will score 3/4 of your chances. Then if someone watched the game the first goal came quickly then rightfully given Pk and a deflection from a on side shot, lucky ? Not because luck you need to provoke it...
Barca played Espagnol and if I reckon they made us more trouble than CIty as an example not going to say they are better but if you don't have the weapons you will never score that much....
its not easy to kill a game that easy, ask Simeone and Atleti who are used to win 1-0 in injury times at times, last times Betis who is not considered as a strong team in Spain were able to get a draw vs full strength Madrid for the simple reason that they scored first and defended well until the late minute, that caused trouble and doubt on players who missed chances they aren't used to miss. If Madrid scored first the score would look like to Espagnol one because it escalates quickly with wc players....
As Roma took 6-1 for the simple reason, you don't run as much while loosing 2-0 like at 0-0 or 1-1, hope gives you wings. Barca would have never won 4-0 in Bernabeu if Madrid scored first not even won...
All this to say that we should appreciate teams makes the game easier for them rather then just say it was easy, if you watch all Atletico games knowing how strong they really are and the difficulties they have to win games you first appreciate their commitment and sacrifice and then look to la liga with other eyes than just Rm/Barca highlight basic watcher.... Or wait and ask Neville/Moyes on how easy is the league.

Ok thats more valuable as an argument, i dont say its not true, crisis in Spain and in some teams makes their progression fell short and not progress but we can see it everywhere, Sotton loosing their best players, Leicester will have probably the same management. But teams can still stand up after loosing 2 or 3 players per season and the perfect example is Portuguese teams, Atletico, Juventus, Dortmund, Sevilla is going better and climbing the table, Bilbao cannot even sign a nonBasc players...Money and finances is not everything, some teams could get bankrupt they would rise again from nowhere because they used to make money and money is not what probably made them...
Deportivo pulled a huge game vs Barça comming back from 2-0 to 2-2 in the Camp Nou, Barça are undefeated in CL as well in their home ground as mighty Mourinho Chelsea were in the past doesnt mean their opponent were weaker...

Do you want to know my point seriously ? im not kind of trolling my vision may not be yours but i have my reasons to think it and i get yours about la liga s its not absolutely a fight each hread both visions can be complementary as a whole...

Here is the 2007-2008 table when England pulled up 2 CL finalists :

Now here is the year Spain pulled 2 finalists in CL :

in 2007 United started with 2 draws and a loss having CR7 banned 3 games and Rooney pivking up a harmstring injury, they ended with 87 pts winning CL and BPL was far from being a weak league, if you watched only their games it looked like so but it wasnt.

Its hard to appreciate a league where only one team could win, in Spain 3 are able of and in England 3 or potentially 4 ( depending on form ) were able of, last year Chelsea with a perfect run in the fisrt half secured the title, this year non of the teams seems to pull a good run its exciting from a result point of view and unpredectibility, but its not as competitive as it used to be, to take the PL from SAF United you needed to put up a perfect season, now i guess City will just have to put a final run and take it, or Arsenal or maybe a new team will benefit from top flight inconsistence if City has easy draws in CL who knows....

Ok thats more valuable as an argument, i dont say its not true, crisis in Spain and in some teams makes their progression fell short and not progress but we can see it everywhere, Sotton loosing their best players, Leicester will have probably the same management. But teams can still stand up after loosing 2 or 3 players per season and the perfect example is Portuguese teams, Atletico, Juventus, Dortmund, Sevilla is going better and climbing the table, Bilbao cannot even sign a nonBasc players...Money and finances is not everything, some teams could get bankrupt they would rise again from nowhere because they used to make money and money is not what probably made them...

Spanish players are highly underpaid comparing to their level, that may be a motivation to progress and change club, the youngsters developement in Spain in one of the finest the youth teams win every trophy in Europe recently so teams can still concentrate on youngsters and keep equilibrium, Villareal rise on 3 years work plan can be an example just like Sotton did.
Deportivo pulled a huge game vs Barça comming back from 2-0 to 2-2 in the Camp Nou, Barça are undefeated in CL as well in their home ground as mighty Mourinho Chelsea were in the past doesnt mean their opponent were weaker...

Do you want to know my point seriously ? im not kind of trolling my vision may not be yours but i have my reasons to think it and i get yours about la liga s its not absolutely a fight each hread both visions can be complementary as a whole...

Here is the 2007-2008 table when England pulled up 2 CL finalists :

Now here is the year Spain pulled 2 finalists in CL :

in 2007 United started with 2 draws and a loss having CR7 banned 3 games and Rooney pivking up a harmstring injury, they ended with 87 pts winning CL and BPL was far from being a weak league, if you watched only their games it looked like so but it wasnt.

Its hard to appreciate a league where only one team could win, in Spain 3 are able of and in England 3 or potentially 4 ( depending on form ) were able of, last year Chelsea with a perfect run in the fisrt half secured the title, this year non of the teams seems to pull a good run its exciting from a result point of view and unpredectibility, but its not as competitive as it used to be, to take the PL from SAF United you needed to put up a perfect season, now i guess City will just have to put a final run and take it, or Arsenal or maybe a new team will benefit from top flight inconsistence if City has easy draws in CL who knows....

Ok thats more valuable as an argument, i dont say its not true, crisis in Spain and in some teams makes their progression fell short and not progress but we can see it everywhere, Sotton loosing their best players, Leicester will have probably the same management. But teams can still stand up after loosing 2 or 3 players per season and the perfect example is Portuguese teams, Atletico, Juventus, Dortmund, Sevilla is going better and climbing the table, Bilbao cannot even sign a nonBasc players...Money and finances is not everything, some teams could get bankrupt they would rise again from nowhere because they used to make money and money is not what probably made them...

Spanish players are highly underpaid comparing to their level, that may be a motivation to progress and change club, the youngsters developement in Spain in one of the finest the youth teams win every trophy in Europe recently so teams can still concentrate on youngsters and keep equilibrium, Villareal rise on 3 years work plan can be an example just like Sotton did.
Deportivo pulled a huge game vs Barça comming back from 2-0 to 2-2 in the Camp Nou, Barça are undefeated in CL as well in their home ground as mighty Mourinho Chelsea were in the past doesnt mean their opponent were weaker...

Do you want to know my point seriously ? im not kind of trolling my vision may not be yours but i have my reasons to think it and i get yours about la liga s its not absolutely a fight each hread both visions can be complementary as a whole...

Here is the 2007-2008 table when England pulled up 2 CL finalists :

Now here is the year Spain pulled 2 finalists in CL :

in 2007 United started with 2 draws and a loss having CR7 banned 3 games and Rooney pivking up a harmstring injury, they ended with 87 pts winning CL and BPL was far from being a weak league, if you watched only their games it looked like so but it wasnt.

Its hard to appreciate a league where only one team could win, in Spain 3 are able of and in England 3 or potentially 4 ( depending on form ) were able of, last year Chelsea with a perfect run in the fisrt half secured the title, this year non of the teams seems to pull a good run its exciting from a result point of view and unpredectibility, but its not as competitive as it used to be, to take the PL from SAF United you needed to put up a perfect season, now i guess City will just have to put a final run and take it, or Arsenal or maybe a new team will benefit from top flight inconsistence....

Ok thats more valuable as an argument, i dont say its not true, crisis in Spain and in some teams makes their progression fell short and not progress but we can see it everywhere, Sotton loosing their best players, Leicester will have probably the same management. But teams can still stand up after loosing 2 or 3 players per season and the perfect example is Portuguese teams, Atletico, Juventus, Dortmund, Sevilla is going better and climbing the table, Bilbao cannot even sign a nonBasc players...Money and finances is not everything, some teams could get bankrupt they would rise again from nowhere because they used to make money and money is not what probably made them...

Spanish players are highly underpaid comparing to their level, that may be a motivation to progress and change club, the youngsters developement in Spain in one of the finest the youth teams win every trophy in Europe recently so teams can still concentrate on youngsters and keep equilibrium, Villareal rise on 3 years work plan can be an example just like Sotton did.

-Deportivo may have lost to Madrid 5-1 but they pulled a huge game vs Barça comming back from 2-0 to 2-2 in the Camp Nou, Barça are undefeated in CL as well in their home ground as mighty Mourinho Chelsea were in the past doesnt mean their opponent were weaker...
-Bilbao lost 6-0 to an unplayable Barça loosing their GK in the 3rd minute ( PK + red ), i dont forget how they trashed Barça 4-0 when Barça wasnt fit or ready yet, they were better that game while they played vs the same players.

Do you want to know my point seriously ? im not kind of trolling my vision may not be yours but i have my reasons to think it and i get yours about la liga s its not absolutely a fight each hread both visions can be complementary as a whole...

Here is the 2007-2008 table when England pulled up 2 CL finalists :

Now here is the year Spain pulled 2 finalists in CL :

in 2007 United started with 2 draws and a loss having CR7 banned 3 games and Rooney pivking up a harmstring injury, they ended with 87 pts winning CL and BPL was far from being a weak league, if you watched only their games it looked like so but it wasnt.

Its hard to appreciate a league where only one team could win, in Spain 3 are able of and in England 3 or potentially 4 ( depending on form ) were able of, last year Chelsea with a perfect run in the fisrt half secured the title, this year non of the teams seems to pull a good run its exciting from a result point of view and unpredectibility, but its not as competitive as it used to be, to take the PL from SAF United you needed to put up a perfect season, now i guess City will just have to put a final run and take it, or Arsenal or maybe a new team will benefit from top flight inconsistence....

Ok thats more valuable as an argument, i dont say its not true, crisis in Spain and in some teams makes their progression fell short and not progress but we can see it everywhere, Sotton loosing their best players, Leicester will have probably the same management. But teams can still stand up after loosing 2 or 3 players per season and the perfect example is Portuguese teams, Atletico, Juventus, Dortmund, Sevilla is going better and climbing the table, Bilbao cannot even sign a nonBasc players...Money and finances is not everything, some teams could get bankrupt they would rise again from nowhere because they used to make money and money is not what probably made them...

Spanish players are highly underpaid comparing to their level, that may be a motivation to progress and change club, the youngsters developement in Spain in one of the finest the youth teams win every trophy in Europe recently so teams can still concentrate on youngsters and keep equilibrium, Villareal rise on 3 years work plan can be an example just like Sotton did.

-Deportivo may have lost to Madrid 5-1 but they pulled a huge game vs Barça comming back from 2-0 to 2-2 in the Camp Nou, Barça are undefeated in CL as well in their home ground as mighty Mourinho Chelsea were in the past doesnt mean their opponent were weaker...
-Bilbao lost 6-0 to an unplayable Barça loosing their GK in the 3rd minute ( PK + red ), i dont forget how they trashed Barça 4-0 when Barça wasnt fit or ready yet, they were better that game while they played vs the same players.

Do you want to know my point seriously ? im not kind of trolling my vision may not be yours but i have my reasons to think it and i get yours about la liga s its not absolutely a fight each hread both visions can be complementary as a whole...

Here is the 2007-2008 table when England pulled up 2 CL finalists :

Now here is the year Spain pulled 2 finalists in CL :

in 2007 United started with 2 draws and a loss having CR7 banned 3 games and Rooney pivking up a harmstring injury, they ended with 87 pts winning CL and BPL was far from being a weak league, if you watched only their games it looked like so but it wasnt.

In 2013 in Spain the 3rd won CL, the 5th won EL and Villareal came from Liga Adelante to a Europeen place, they have such a strong team now that they lost Paulista to Arsenal ( was liga Adelante player ), Joel Campbell could barely play a game and Cherychev to Real Madrid, they are currently 4th, Now what would happen if you give the yellow Submarines half of Tottenham budget ? They not even need it to be competitive and beat Madrid, Atletico and others....

Its hard to appreciate a league where only one team could win, in Spain 3 are able of and in England 3 or potentially 4 ( depending on form ) were able of, last year Chelsea with a perfect run in the fisrt half secured the title, this year non of the teams seems to pull a good run its exciting from a result point of view and unpredectibility, but its not as competitive as it used to be, to take the PL from SAF United you needed to put up a perfect season, now i guess City will just have to put a final run and take it, or Arsenal or maybe a new team will benefit from top flight inconsistence....

In all honesty half the people here don't watch matches from many leagues. With that alone I wouldn't consider judging how good or exciting a league is if you see perhaps one or two games a month or even a season.

The only two leagues I regularly watch are La Liga and EPL. I've only seen a handful of matches from Bundesliga and Serie A and only really enjoyed Napoli. Excitement in terms of league positions doesn't show much as it was show last season (i think) were some obscure league had a gap ofn5 points between the top 10 teams. Excitement really just depends on what you like and i don't think there is a single league which excels on that. None of use would seriously start regularly watching the bottom 4 teams on any league because they are exciting.

And hilarious how KTB attacks tiki for his opinion on LL over EPL on terms of excitement then tells him not to make another EPL vs LL thread. Just don't mention it, don't start it or don't keep it going if you don't want it to turn to that.