Hazard under Mourinho is developing his Football, i made it in silly Football because i guess he will be Madrid target in few months, but im confident Chelsea would never let him because he is the future.

Tehnical, pacey, can become the Iniesta 2.0 breaking the lines and sharp assisting, why 2.0 because he is more physical and of course very pacey.

I wonder why Mourinho didnt developed his goal scoring because last year, he could have been the main attraction playing forward. But Mourinho loves to have a classic striker aka Milito/Costa.

Chelsea wont let him go anywhere, but if he wasnt in a defensive minded team, he would be clearly more prolific in term of stats.

"but if he wasnt in a defensive minded team,"

That moment when you realize that Chelsea have scored 26 league goals this season, while Barcelona have scored 23...

"Chelsea fans undertand what i meant,"

Do they? See, I rather anticipate that Chelsea fans will understand that just because you take defense seriously doesn't actually mean you are 'defensively-minded'. Not too long ago you were calling it, what was it, 'bus-parking', and 'anti-football', no? You railed on about how it;'s a disgrace to football, and a waste of talent (which is essentially all you're saying right NOW, about Hazard).

Chelsea are not a 'defensive' team. They are simply an excellent team, and sometimes an excellent team knows when it is time to defend, as well as when to attack.

You should recognize it by now. It's the same thing both Mourinho and Simeone did at the Madrid clubs to basically become better than Barcelona.

No, you're just leaving it. :)

No, you're just leaving it. :)

QQ

@rayrex Im not against lodatz being here, at the opposite i think everyone would be glad to see him contributing here, despite the bias i found to him, he was a great member with a great presence so i invite him to stay.
Some members thin im biased, so why not hear the opposite view a little more, there is a difference between giving his point and trolling.
I think when he will get used to hear opposite views than his, without trolling or insulting, he could stay and bring something good here.

@rayrex Im not against lodatz being here, at the opposite i think everyone would be glad to see him contributing here, despite the bias i found to him, he was a great member with a great presence so i invite him to stay.
Some members thin im biased, so why not hear the opposite view a little more, there is a difference between giving his point and trolling.
I think when he will get used to hear opposite views than his, without trolling or insulting, he could stay and bring something good here.

After this, its up to moderators to decide whether or not our arguments ( conflicts for him ) are healthy or not to the forum, if its going anywhere then we should just avoid going into a clash.

I dont mind seing him contributing for the good of the forum, many trolls were worts than him ( imo ).
( hemay think im the troll whatever ).

@rayrex Im not against lodatz being here, at the opposite i think everyone would be glad to see him contributing here, despite the bias i found to him, he was a great member with a great presence so i invite him to stay.
Some members thin im biased, so why not hear the opposite view a little more, there is a difference between giving his point and trolling.
I think when he will get used to hear opposite views than his, without trolling or insulting, he could stay and bring something good here.

After this, its up to moderators to decide whether or not our arguments ( conflicts for him ) are healthy or not to the forum, if its going anywhere then we should just avoid going into a clash.

I dont mind seing him contributing for the good of the forum, many trolls were worst than him ( imo ).
( he may think im the troll whatever ).

@rayrex Im not against lodatz being here, at the opposite i think everyone would be glad to see him contributing here, despite the bias i found to him, he was a great member with a great presence so i invite him to stay.
Some members thin im biased, so why not hear the opposite view a little more, there is a difference between giving his point and trolling.
I think when he will get used to hear opposite views than his, without trolling or insulting, he could stay and bring something good here.

After this, its up to moderators to decide whether or not our arguments ( conflicts for him ) are healthy or not to the forum, if its going anywhere then we should just avoid going into a clash.

I dont mind seing him contributing for the good of the forum, many trolls were worst than him ( imo ).
( he may think im the troll so whatever ).

I respect many EPL fans like V or Marcus tuan the game fredtilison.... doesnt matter what team we support, we are all passionate about Football, some ay give more importance to actual results ( me included ) but if lodatz '' has been '' view is popular here, why not hear it and see if he is right or no.
Im asking him to stay, despite his hate toward me, i really dont care if he could contribute here.

@manchesterutI: The entire point of the thread was so that tiki could offer a false compliment to Hazard, but really just say that he's being wasted at an English club.

That's why I pointed out that the club he's at are outscoring the teams he thinks Hazard should really be playing for. ;)

On other words, he's being a troll towards the PL.

AGAIN.

@rayrex: I don't even agree that Chelsea were a defensive team beforehand, either, really. Mourinho just used what he had to get the results he could. Chelsea scored 71 goals, last season, for instance. That was the 3rd-highest in the league, which is perhaps why they finished.... 3rd. BY contrast, last season, Atletico Madrid WON La Liga with only 77 goals.

The year before? Again, Chelsea scored the 3rd-highest number of goals in the league (75), and came 3rd again. Only Madrid and Barca scored more league goals, that year, in La Liga.

These are not the stats of a defensive team. The problem, I think, is that we spend too much time hearing from people who don't watch PL football, don't understand defending, and think that the Spanish style is the only true way to play football.

It's not, and for most of recent history, it's not even been the best way.

This is why the arguments keep cropping up. It's really not that PL fans are arrogant, or that the PL is over-rated. It's that we have to listen to some La Liga fans who really ARE arrogant, and really DO over-rate their own league/players.

Chelsea are just an excellent team, and thanks to Mourinho they know how to fully balance attack and defense again, which is the same thing that Mourinho instilled at Madrid, and helped hem start to dominate El Clasico. Hazard is at a great place, and for me the biggest surprise would be if he didn't win the Cl while wearing Chelsea blue.

@manchesterutI: The entire point of the thread was so that tiki could offer a false compliment to Hazard, but really just say that he's being wasted at an English club.

That's why I pointed out that the club he's at are outscoring the teams he thinks Hazard should really be playing for. ;)

On other words, he's being a troll towards the PL.

AGAIN.

@rayrex: I don't even agree that Chelsea were a defensive team beforehand, either, really. Mourinho just used what he had to get the results he could. Chelsea scored 71 goals, last season, for instance. That was the 3rd-highest in the league, which is perhaps why they finished.... 3rd. Just for comparison, last season Atletico Madrid WON La Liga with only 77 goals.

The year before? Again, Chelsea scored the 3rd-highest number of goals in the league (75), and came 3rd again. Only Madrid and Barca scored more league goals, that year, in La Liga.

These are not the stats of a defensive team. The problem, I think, is that we spend too much time hearing from people who don't watch PL football, don't understand defending, and think that the Spanish style is the only true way to play football.

It's not, and for most of recent history, it's not even been the best way.

This is why the arguments keep cropping up. It's really not that PL fans are arrogant, or that the PL is over-rated. It's that we have to listen to some La Liga fans who really ARE arrogant, and really DO over-rate their own league/players.

Chelsea are just an excellent team, and thanks to Mourinho they know how to fully balance attack and defense again, which is the same thing that Mourinho instilled at Madrid, and helped hem start to dominate El Clasico. Hazard is at a great place, and for me the biggest surprise would be if he didn't win the Cl while wearing Chelsea blue.

@manchesterutI: The entire point of the thread was so that tiki could offer a false compliment to Hazard, but really just say that he's being wasted at an English club.

That's why I pointed out that the club he's at are outscoring the teams he thinks Hazard should really be playing for. ;)

On other words, he's being a troll towards the PL.

AGAIN.

@rayrex: I don't even agree that Chelsea were a defensive team beforehand, either, really. Mourinho just used what he had to get the results he could. Chelsea scored 71 goals, last season, for instance. That was the 3rd-highest in the league, which is perhaps why they finished.... 3rd. Just for comparison, last season Atletico Madrid WON La Liga with only 77 goals.

The year before? Again, Chelsea scored the 3rd-highest number of goals in the league (75), and came 3rd again. Only Madrid and Barca scored more league goals, that year, in La Liga.

These are not the stats of a defensive team. The problem, I think, is that we spend too much time hearing from people who don't watch PL football, don't understand defending, and think that the Spanish style is the only true way to play football.

It's not, and for most of recent history, it's not even been the best way.

This is why the arguments keep cropping up. It's really not that PL fans are arrogant, or that the PL is over-rated. It's that we have to listen to some La Liga fans (and no, I'm not talking about you :)) who really ARE arrogant, and really DO over-rate their own league/players.

Chelsea are just an excellent team, and thanks to Mourinho they know how to fully balance attack and defense again, which is the same thing that Mourinho instilled at Madrid, and helped hem start to dominate El Clasico. Hazard is at a great place, and for me the biggest surprise would be if he didn't win the Cl while wearing Chelsea blue.

@manchesterutI: The entire point of the thread was so that tiki could offer a false compliment to Hazard, but really just say that he's being wasted at an English club.

That's why I pointed out that the club he's at are outscoring the teams he thinks Hazard should really be playing for. ;)

On other words, he's being a troll towards the PL.

AGAIN.

@rayrex: I don't even agree that Chelsea were a defensive team beforehand, either, really. Mourinho just used what he had to get the results he could. Chelsea scored 71 goals, last season, for instance. That was the 3rd-highest in the league, which is perhaps why they finished.... 3rd. Just for comparison, last season Atletico Madrid WON La Liga with only 77 goals.

The year before? Again, Chelsea scored the 3rd-highest number of goals in the league (75), and came 3rd again. Only Madrid and Barca scored more league goals, that year, in La Liga.

These are not the stats of a defensive team. The problem, I think, is that we spend too much time hearing from people who don't watch PL football, don't understand defending, and think that the Spanish style is the only true way to play football.

It's not, and for most of recent history, it's not even been the best way.

This is why the arguments keep cropping up. It's really not that PL fans are arrogant, or that the PL is over-rated. It's that we have to listen to some La Liga fans (and no, I'm not talking about you :)) who really ARE arrogant, and really DO over-rate their own league/players.

Chelsea are just an excellent team, and thanks to Mourinho they know how to fully balance attack and defense again, which is the same thing that Mourinho instilled at Madrid, and helped hem start to dominate El Clasico. Hazard is at a great place, and for me the biggest surprise would be if he didn't win the CL while wearing Chelsea blue.

@manchesterutI: The entire point of the thread was so that tiki could offer a false compliment to Hazard, but really just say that he's being wasted at an English club.

That's why I pointed out that the club he's at are outscoring the teams he thinks Hazard should really be playing for. ;)

On other words, he's being a troll towards the PL.

AGAIN.

@rayrex: I don't even agree that Chelsea were a defensive team beforehand, either, really. Mourinho just used what he had to get the results he could. Chelsea scored 71 goals, last season, for instance. That was the 3rd-highest in the league, which is perhaps why they finished.... 3rd. Just for comparison, last season Atletico Madrid WON La Liga with only 77 goals.

The year before? Again, Chelsea scored the 3rd-highest number of goals in the league (75), and came 3rd again. Only Madrid and Barca scored more league goals, that year, in La Liga.

These are not the stats of a defensive team. The problem, I think, is that we spend too much time hearing from people who don't watch PL football, don't understand defending, and think that the Spanish style is the only true way to play football.

It's not, and for most of recent history, it's not even been the best way.

This is why the arguments keep cropping up. It's really not that PL fans are arrogant, or that the PL is over-rated. It's that we have to listen to some La Liga fans (and no, I'm not talking about you :)) who really ARE arrogant, and really DO over-rate their own league/players. They look at Chelsea playing in a certain way against Atletico Madrid, and decide that's the way that Chelsea play all the time, instead of being a tactic used specifically against the Spanish team in question.

There was no 'bus-parking' or 'anti-football' from Chelsea, either last season or in 2012. They just played a clever game, and in 2012 it worked. Last year, it didn't, and probably because Atlletico don't play the same way as Barcelona. They, themselves, ALSO play a clever game.

Chelsea are just an excellent team, and thanks to Mourinho they know how to fully balance attack and defense again, which is the same thing that Mourinho instilled at Madrid, and helped hem start to dominate El Clasico. Hazard is at a great place, and for me the biggest surprise would be if he didn't win the CL while wearing Chelsea blue.

@manchesterutI: The entire point of the thread was so that tiki could offer a false compliment to Hazard, but really just say that he's being wasted at an English club.

That's why I pointed out that the club he's at are outscoring the teams he thinks Hazard should really be playing for. ;)

On other words, he's being a troll towards the PL.

AGAIN.

@rayrex: I don't even agree that Chelsea were a defensive team beforehand, either, really. Mourinho just used what he had to get the results he could. Chelsea scored 71 goals, last season, for instance. That was the 3rd-highest in the league, which is perhaps why they finished.... 3rd. Just for comparison, last season Atletico Madrid WON La Liga with only 77 goals.

The year before? Again, Chelsea scored the 3rd-highest number of goals in the league (75), and came 3rd again. Only Madrid and Barca scored more league goals, that year, in La Liga.

These are not the stats of a defensive team. The problem, I think, is that we spend too much time hearing from people who don't watch PL football, don't understand defending, and think that the Spanish style is the only true way to play football.

It's not, and for most of recent history, it's not even been the best way.

This is why the arguments keep cropping up. It's really not that PL fans are arrogant, or that the PL is over-rated. It's that we have to listen to some La Liga fans (and no, I'm not talking about you :)) who really ARE arrogant, and really DO over-rate their own league/players. They look at Chelsea playing in a certain way against Atletico Madrid, and decide that's the way that Chelsea play all the time, instead of being a tactic used specifically against the Spanish team in question.

There was no 'bus-parking' or 'anti-football' from Chelsea, either last season or in 2012. They just played a clever game, and in 2012 it worked. Last year, it didn't, and probably because Atlletico don't play the same way as Barcelona. They, themselves, ALSO play a clever game. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Barcelona would not have won against Chelsea, last season. They would have run out of ideas, played right into Mou's hands, and walked away as losers. Simeone has changed the game, and I expect that in the next few years, more and more Spanish teams will start to play like Atletico and Real, instead of the tiki-taka style developed in Catalonia.

Why? Because times change, and suddenly Simeone has given Spanish teams a reason to take defense seriously again.

Chelsea are just an excellent team, and thanks to Mourinho they know how to fully balance attack and defense again, which is the same thing that Mourinho instilled at Madrid, and helped hem start to dominate El Clasico. Hazard is at a great place, and for me the biggest surprise would be if he didn't win the CL while wearing Chelsea blue.