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Footaholic 12 years ago
Arsenal, Egypt 178 2277

Most (not all) pundits and fans consider the 2 Spanish & German giants in the CL Semi-Finals to be the BEST teams in Europe CURRENTLY. Assuming they are, they would be the best standard by which to compare your own squad's strength. As such, my question is the following:

Which of Your Team's Players (If Any) Would Start The Majority of Games For one of Bayern, Dortmund, Barcelona, or Madrid?

If you wish to judge the strength of your own team or if the goal of your club is to rival the best in Europe than really have a think about it and give your HONEST conclusion. I think some of us will learn a thing or two.

IF you are a supporter of Any of the aforementioned clubs (i.e. Bayern, BVB, Barca, RM) you may also participate in saying which players you think would make your squads from A SPECIFIC TEAM. You would also be in a good position to judge the opinions put forth by the remaining clubs' fans and agree/disagree as to whether or not they would make the cut at this moment in time. 

Rules: 1- BE REALISTIC 2-ANY OBJECTIONS/REJECTIONS SHOULD BE SUPPORTED WITH A LOGICAL EXPLANATION & 3-ENJOY

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Footaholic 12 years ago
Arsenal, Egypt 178 2277

@Golden: You think Moutinho would displace Alonso (presumably as I think it's even more far-fetched he'd play as the CAM over Ozil/Kaka)? Also, Martinez in every team? Would he start over Lewandowski or automatically over Mandzukic? Agree about Rdriguez on the wing @Barca/BVB. 

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FredTilson 12 years ago
Manchester City, France 61 769

Box to Box Midfielder is a playing style, not a position, a position by definition has to be a single spot and denote where that player is supposed to play,so you'll still have to classify him as a CDM, (he does play centrally and track back a lot) just like Ronaldo would technically be a LW in RM but he can do much more than a conventional LW. Just because Busquets plays a certain way doesn't mean that all CDM's are supposed to do that. I disagree with you on Madrid though, I think he'd fit perfectly into Khedira's role and link up with Ozil the way he does with Silva.

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Footaholic 12 years ago
Arsenal, Egypt 178 2277

@FRED: Ok, a Box to Box midfielder may not be a technically defined position & may not have a handy acronym like BTBM, but a CDM does. If you want to go by that logic he should, IMO, be styled as a CM not as a CDM. The point I disagree with is that it is not a position. It very well used to be as there would be one CDM & one "Box-To-Box player" which has mostly converted these days to one CDM & one "deep-lying playmaker" who would also be given the generic CM tag today. There are many other positions that have gone out of vogue (e.g. Sweeper) but that doesn't mean because they don't have a cute acronym you shouldn't call it a position. This may seem like semantics but I'm saying all this because I DO NOT think he'd be happy or as good as Khedira at doing his job which is almost entirely to sit back, tackle, and break up counter attacks (i.e. be a proper CDM). I'm not saying he wouldn't be able to (just as Arteta is doing the best he can as a false hybridization of CDM/deep-lying CM) but I don't think it's his natural position.
As for Busquets, you are absolutely right in saying that he the way he plays isn't similar to all CDMs. In fact, it is fairly unique which is why he is such a vital cog in the Barca machine. In either case, the way Barca wants someone to play in that spot is the way Busquets plays and I don't think they'd chose Yaya over him (as they have shown in the past).

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Golden 12 years ago
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@Footaholic,

As for Moutinho, he would presumably replace either Bender or Gundogan in Dortmund and Khedira in Real. Moutinho usually plays as a central midfielder (both for Porto and Portugal), but can also play as a defensive or an offensive midfielder. I'd rather put him on the defensive spot as the attacking midfielders might possess too much quality.

Regarding Martinez, what can I say? I know, I really know, it comes as a wonder when I say he could replace the strikers in Real, Bayern and Dortmund. So, here's a question: Would you put Falcao over Benzema/Higuian, Mandzukic/Gomez and Lewandowski? If the answer is yes, then I can tell you, as a very engaged Porto fan, Martinez would, too. Ask Vendetta if that helps, as I believe he's seen Martinez in action.

I'm fully aware that it might not sound too realistic, but this guy is better than Falcao from what I've seen. I know you may think: "Pfft, what the fuck? Martinez plays in the Portuguese league, give him some time in the EPL and lets see what he can do." Falcao played for us as well, and look where he is now? He is considered one of the best strikers in the world. As I've grown up watching both Falcao and Martinez, the latter has showed even more. NO KIDDING.

It's just, you know it when you see it. This guy's qualities are immense. You have to trust me on this, and, hopefully, you'll see what I mean in a year or two. :)

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Footaholic 12 years ago
Arsenal, Egypt 178 2277

@Golden: Thanks for explaining. I didn't know Moutinho could play as a defensive mid. I thought he was more of a Alonso kind of player. Would make sense if you put him in place of Bender/Gundogan though. 
As for Martinez, I didn't know you rated him THAT highly. Better than Falcao & Lewandowski?... that's some praise. I will take your word on it as you know more than I do and will make sure to keep a keener eye on him in the future.

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Golden 12 years ago
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I thought we weren't going to get a striker close to Falcao in years to come, but Martinez proved me wrong. I mean, 23 goals in 22 games isn't too bad. He's been absolutely brilliant.

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Dynastian98 12 years ago
Real Madrid 483 7140

@Golden

Could you post some videos about Martinez here? Because I haven't seen him play much, and am very keen in seeing his playing style. I'm sure Footaholic would be interested in seeing Jackson Martinez a bit more too. And btw, here's some interesting facts I found out about the two.

Jackson Martinez - first season at Porto [so far] (aged 25-26)

League - 22 apps, 23 goals
Cup - 3 apps, 2 goals
Europe - 6 apps, 3 goals
TOTAL = 31 apps, 28 goals [so far]

Radamel Falcao - first season at Porto (aged 24-25)

League - 28 apps, 25 goals
Cup - 5 apps, 5 goals
League Cup - 2 apps, 0 goals
Europe - 8 apps, 4 goals
TOTAL = 43 apps, 34 goals

So it seems that Golden may be right about the Falcao/Martinez comparison. Don't rule out Jackson just yet. His first season at Porto is quite similar to Falcao's first season. Jackson just needs another year to establish himself in a competition like the CL or EL, where the world can see him. That's EXACTLY how Falcao made his name. Nobody in England cared who Radamel Falcao was, until he came into the EL and scored a record-breaking 18 goals in 16 games. Let's wait and see if Jackson can do the same. THEN, we may consider him on par with Falcao, but not yet.

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Golden 12 years ago
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Very well said, Dynastian. I really agree, he has left to show how he can do in Europe next season (though, I believe Falcao had some better help in Hulk, Guarin and a few more -- who are now gone). But as you see, his first season has been fantastic so far. Let's just hope he continues like this (profit, profit). Here's a great video:

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Dynastian98 12 years ago
Real Madrid 483 7140

@Golden

I think that in the recent future, James may be BETTER than Hulk. Colombia has some CRAZY talents now in Jackson, Falcao, and James leading their lines. O.O

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Golden 12 years ago
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Indeed. Colombia is like Belgium; two upcoming nations. Falcao, Martinez, Rodriguez, Guarin, Zapata, Yepes and more. Also, I agree about Rodriguez, I think he has greater potential than Hulk.

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Golden 12 years ago
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By the way, Jackson scored two more goals in the league today.

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Dynastian98 12 years ago
Real Madrid 483 7140

@Golden

I might make a thread at the end of the season that will have all the best goal scorers in this season, and I'll include Jackson as well. We can compare how effective each player is, in terms of goal scoring of course. ;)

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Golden 12 years ago
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Sounds great. :)

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Footaholic 12 years ago
Arsenal, Egypt 178 2277

SO that's it, only City, Arsenal, Spurs, and Chelsea fans have anything to contribute? What about United, Juve, etc?

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Dynastian98 12 years ago
Real Madrid 483 7140

I'll throw in one for Juve.

Buffon - would start for Madrid, Dortmund, and Barca. I think he'll have problems trying to beat Manuel Neuer though.

Chielini - can replace Schmelzer, Subotic, Badstuber, Alaba, Marcelo/Coentrao, and Puyol. Remember, Chielini can play both CB and LB. I didn't put him in to replace Alba simply because Alba is required to sprint down the line at Barca, and Chielini is incapable of doing that.

Vidal and Marchisio - They can easily replace Dortmund's combination of Bender and Gundogan. Vidal is also the type of player capable of putting Xabi Alonso in a tight spot for fighting for the first team, but they have slightly different playing styles, so I guess Alonso would win in the end. Marchisio can also start aheade of Kroos in CAM for Bayern, and Vidal can be paired alongside Schweinsteiger.

Pirlo - Would start for Dortmund, Madrid, and Bayern easily. Barca would be fairly easy for him as well, as he can partner up with Busquets and Xavi in midfield, just as long as Iniesta is pushed to left wing.

Manchester United

Vidic - on his day, he can start for ANY of the four teams.

Rafael - can start for Madrid, Dortmund, and Barca. He's not as experienced as Lahm yet, and Lahm is MUCH better at defending than Rafael. Replacing Dani Alves would be difficult though, but since they both have similar playing styles, but since Rafael is still very young, I would throw him ahead of Alves any day.

Evra - could start in Madrid, Dortmund, Barca, and Bayern.

Carrick - could start in easily Dortmund. Bayern doesn't really require him thanks to Schweinsteiger, but Alonso and Busquets would be given SEVERE problems if Michael Carrick was in the squad. I'd say he can start all three except for Bayern.

Rooney - Madrid don't require a second striker, and Barcelona already have the best in the world in that position. Dortmund would take Rooney any day, and Bayern would profit from him as well.

RVP - can start in all four teams. Benzema and Higuain would be thrown away if RVP was in the lineup. Messi would benefit from acres of space if he had a fully-fit David Villa playing ahead of him, so RVP can easily do the trick. Lewandowski would be in a tight spot as well thanks to RVP's experience and class, and Gomez and Mandzukic would find life rather difficult with RVP in the squad.

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