Do you think this strengthens Real Madrid or does it weaken them?

Mind you, Kroos has been playing for Real Madrid for some time now. He's very comfortable, and knows his place. Knows what to do.

I consider Pogba to be a much more talented player and we can get more use out of him. If he performs as well as he does in Juve, I think this will make us favorites for CL.

Just imagine..

------------------Casemiro---------------------

Pogba ----------------------------Modric

I drool.

@TheLamb: Kroos and Modric aren't defensive midfielders in any interpretation of the position. Be it modern or otherwise. Kroos is a CM, but he could play CAM though he doesn't take nearly enough risks or is penetrative enough to be world class in that spot.

Modric is a World class CM/CAM. Currently, he is without a doubt the best in the World. There isn't a player out there I would pick over him to do what he does.

The reason, as I said earlier, I consider Pogba to be an upgrade over Kroos is because he 'can' be a defensive midfielder. I know that at the beginning of his career that he played that position for a bit. He could play Case's position if he gets injured or suspended. I suppose so could Kroos but he's very very weak at it because that's not his natural position.

Not only all that, but Pogba is excellent going forward, too. He can actually carry the ball forward like Modric which is something that Kroos never does. He'd rather just pick a pass.

How anybody can say that Pogba isn't an upgrade over Kroos is amazing to me. I mean, we actually have people saying that they know better than all of the World experts, judges, players, pundits, market value adjusters and etc.

Come on fellas, just look at their value at transfermarkt. Pogba is rated much higher, and this following Kroos' CL winning season, which normally raises the value of all the players. Not to mention the fact that he's a World Cup winner, a two time CL winner, and countless other trophies. Meanwhile Pogba is 'relatively' new to this stage

And who was it that ridiculously said Pogba will end up like James?

I'm sorry, but what the hell makes you think that James was a bad transfer?

Even on current form, James would easily get into the starting 11 in any team in the World. He's an amazing player, just unlucky that he's battling Modric for the spot, who is in the prime of his career. There's no player out that could take his spot from the starting 11.

Kroos is a different player and Zidane is wise enough to recognize the need for a CDM, which makes Case's place a necessity.

If we buy Pogba, we should probably sell two of Kroos, Isco, or James. Not because we need the money but simply because they won't get much playing time even if we do challenge for 4-5 trophies next year.

By the way, I don't know if you guys are aware, Pogba's agent has announced that he's started negotiations with Real Madrid. On top of that, Pogba has chosen not to renew his contract for his house. So all sounds point to him leaving.

@TheLamb: Kroos and Modric aren't defensive midfielders in any interpretation of the position. Be it modern or otherwise. Kroos is a CM, but he could play CAM though he doesn't take nearly enough risks or is penetrative enough to be world class in that spot.

Modric is a World class CM/CAM. Currently, he is without a doubt the best in the World. There isn't a player out there I would pick over him to do what he does.

The reason, as I said earlier, I consider Pogba to be an upgrade over Kroos is because he 'can' be a defensive midfielder. I know that at the beginning of his career that he played that position for a bit. He could play Case's position if he gets injured or suspended. I suppose so could Kroos but he's very very weak at it because that's not his natural position.

Not only all that, but Pogba is excellent going forward, too. He can actually carry the ball forward like Modric which is something that Kroos never does. He'd rather just pick a pass.

How anybody can say that Pogba isn't an upgrade over Kroos is amazing to me. I mean, we actually have people saying that they know better than all of the World experts, judges, players, pundits, market value adjusters and etc.

Come on fellas, just look at their value at transfermarkt. Pogba is rated much higher, and this following Kroos' CL winning season, which normally raises the value of all the players. Not to mention the fact that he's a World Cup winner, a two time CL winner, and countless other trophies. Meanwhile Pogba is 'relatively' new to this stage

And who was it that ridiculously said Pogba will end up like James?

I'm sorry, but what the hell makes you think that James was a bad transfer?

Even on current form, James would easily get into the starting 11 in any team in the World. He's an amazing player, just unlucky that he's battling Modric for the spot, who is in the prime of his career. There's no player out that could take his spot from the starting 11.

Kroos is a different player and Zidane is wise enough to recognize the need for a CDM, which makes Case's place a necessity.

If we buy Pogba, we should probably sell two of Kroos, Isco, or James. Not because we need the money but simply because they won't get much playing time even if we do challenge for 4-5 trophies next year.

By the way, I don't know if you guys are aware, Pogba's agent has announced that he's started negotiations with Real Madrid. On top of that, Pogba has chosen not to renew his contract for his house. So all points to him leaving.

@Dynastian: Yeah, I see. That sounds simple enough. Just teach a player to defend well enough for a team that plays at the highest level. Who cares that he spent his entire life playing one way, we'll just take a few months and change him completely.

Simple stuff.

I wonder why nobody else has done this. You're a genius, Dyn! :)

@Dynastian: Yeah, I see. That sounds simple enough. Just teach a player to defend well enough for a team that plays at the highest level. Who cares that he spent his entire life playing one way, we'll just take a few months and change him completely.

Simple stuff.

I wonder why nobody else has done this.

Good stuff, Dyn! thumbs up

quikzyy, I don't know if that was directed at me but I never said that I would use him as a CDM also. My point was that he, worse comes to worst, could cover that position. He does defend, and does tackle even when he's fielded as an attacking midfielder. He's an end to end player that defends, runs, tackles, dribbles, passes, and shoots. It's extremely rare to find a player with all these qualities, and that is one of the reasons why he's rated so highly.

He's a complete midfielder, just as Ronaldo is complete forward. Do you understand my meaning?

Sure, some aspects of his game are better and some are worse, but the point is that he has it all and at such a young age.

Anybody here that says Kroos is better or he's overrated and etc simply, in my honest opinion, do not know what they're talking about. You can't compare him to Kroos. Kroos is a one dimensional player, there is only a certain subset of skills he has at his disposal. Pogba on the other hand, he's got the whole midfield locked.

To just give you an idea how rare his talent is, we have been trying to develop Isco, Kroos, and many others into multi-dimensional players. Isco has tried very hard to adapt and added defending and tackling to his game but he's still so far off Pogba. We've tried to do the same with Kroos, but he guy just can't defend if his life depended on it. He's blown away like a sack of feathers soon as we faced a team with any strength in the midfield.

At the moment, it's only Casemiro that defends in the midfield. Sure, Kroos and Modric try but they're simply not built for it. Imagine though a midfield with Case, Pogba, and Modric?

I'd be giddy facing Atletico Madrid.

quikzyy, I don't know if that was directed at me but I never said that my first option would be to use him as a CDM. My point was that he, worse comes to worst, could cover that position. He does defend, and does tackle even when he's fielded as an attacking midfielder. He's an end to end player that defends, runs, tackles, dribbles, passes, and shoots. It's extremely rare to find a player with all these qualities, and that is one of the reasons why he's rated so highly.

He's a complete midfielder, just as Ronaldo is complete forward. Do you understand my meaning?

Sure, some aspects of his game are better and some are worse, but the point is that he has it all and at such a young age.

Anybody here that says Kroos is better or he's overrated and etc simply, in my honest opinion, do not know what they're talking about. You can't compare him to Kroos. Kroos is a one dimensional player, there is only a certain subset of skills he has at his disposal. Pogba on the other hand, he's got the whole midfield locked.

To just give you an idea how rare his talent is, we have been trying to develop Isco, Kroos, and many others into multi-dimensional players. Isco has tried very hard to adapt and added defending and tackling to his game but he's still so far off Pogba. We've tried to do the same with Kroos, but he guy just can't defend if his life depended on it. He's blown away like a sack of feathers soon as we faced a team with any strength in the midfield.

At the moment, it's only Casemiro that defends in the midfield. Sure, Kroos and Modric try but they're simply not built for it. Imagine though a midfield with Case, Pogba, and Modric?

I'd be giddy facing Atletico Madrid.

quikzyy, I don't know if that was directed at me but I never said that my first option would be to use him as a CDM. My point was that he, worse comes to worst, could cover that position. He does defend, and does tackle even when he's fielded as an attacking midfielder. He's an end to end player that defends, runs, tackles, dribbles, passes, and shoots. It's extremely rare to find a player with all these qualities, and that is one of the reasons why he's rated so highly.

He's a complete midfielder, just as Ronaldo is complete forward. Do you understand my meaning?

Sure, some aspects of his game are better and some are worse, but the point is that he has it all almost locked in midfield and at such a young age.

Anybody here that says Kroos is better or he's overrated and etc simply, in my honest opinion, do not know what they're talking about. You can't compare him to Kroos. Kroos is a one dimensional player, there is only a certain subset of skills he has at his disposal. Pogba on the other hand, he's got the whole midfield locked.

To just give you an idea how rare his talent is, we have been trying to develop Isco, Kroos, and many others into multi-dimensional players. Isco has tried very hard to adapt and added defending and tackling to his game but he's still so far off Pogba. We've tried to do the same with Kroos, but he guy just can't defend if his life depended on it. He's blown away like a sack of feathers soon as we faced a team with any strength in the midfield.

At the moment, it's only Casemiro that defends in the midfield. Sure, Kroos and Modric try but they're simply not built for it. Imagine though a midfield with Case, Pogba, and Modric?

I'd be giddy facing Atletico Madrid.

quikzyy, I don't know if that was directed at me but I never said that my first option would be to use him as a CDM. My point was that he, worse comes to worst, could cover that position. He does defend, and does tackle even when he's fielded as an attacking midfielder. He's an end to end player that defends, runs, tackles, dribbles, passes, and shoots. It's extremely rare to find a player with all these qualities, and that is one of the reasons why he's rated so highly.

He's a complete midfielder, just as Ronaldo is complete forward. Do you understand my meaning?

Sure, some aspects of his game are better and some are worse, but the point is that he has it all almost locked in midfield and at such a young age.

Anybody here that says Kroos is better or he's overrated and etc simply, in my honest opinion, do not know what they're talking about. You can't compare him to Kroos. Kroos is a one dimensional player, there is only a certain subset of skills he has at his disposal. Pogba on the other hand, he's got the whole midfield locked.

To just give you an idea how rare his talent is, we have been trying to develop Isco, Kroos, and many others into multi-dimensional players. Isco has tried very hard to adapt and added defending and tackling to his game but he's still so far off Pogba It always felt forced with Isco, he isn't built for it. He hasn't trained for it at a young age, it's unnatural. We've tried to do the same with Kroos, but he guy just can't defend if his life depended on it. He's blown away like a sack of feathers soon as we faced a team with any strength in the midfield.

At the moment, it's only Casemiro that defends in the midfield. Sure, Kroos and Modric try but they're simply not built for it. Imagine though a midfield with Case, Pogba, and Modric?

I'd be giddy facing Atletico Madrid.

@amer

Unlikely that it will happen soon but I believe it will . This can't go on for too long .
@tiki other day Made a good point . Villarreal player going to let's say Malaga will be maybe 5 times less the price if he was going abroad to a top club . Same within EPL league . We have players that can transfer from low table team to mid table team for reasonable transfer fee but as soon as big guns come knocking price will sky rocket . I understand small clubs protect themselves this way and get a chance to cash out good but there should be other rules to protect small clubs if they want to keep their valuable players unless player likes to leave .