SunFlash
9 years ago
Southampton is the 15th most expensive squad in Europe? Did not see that coming.
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SunFlash
9 years ago
Southampton is the 15th most expensive squad in Europe? Did not see that coming.
liomessi10
9 years ago
southampton and valencia and LIVERPOOL are not worth more than a team with griezmann, jackson, vietto, godin, koke, etc.
Kirkos
9 years ago
LOL how is Newcastle in the top 20 when they almost got relegated?
shpalman
9 years ago
^ it's a matter of costs, not a matter of quality. and that's exactly part of the problem English clubs are going to have in a few years. in this top 20 got surprised by Wolfsburg btw.
liverpollfcangryfan
9 years ago
''''2015'''''
Amerr30
9 years ago
Edited
Here is the top 15 most expensive squads in Europe based on market value of each player as of this moment. Which I think is a lot more sensible to look at if you want to figure out which is the most expensive squad. When you look at fees paid, the result will be skewed. For instance, you can buy a player for dirt cheap when he was young or he can graduate from your academy and develop into a very expensive player (Messi). Or for example, teams at times overpay for a player way above his market value and could not hope to resell him at that same price. (For example: David Luiz). Just because you paid so and so for a player does not mean that is how much he's worth.
This takes into account both Ronaldo's and Messi's market values (both at 84m pounds or 114m Euros, 127m Dollars).
Also, on a side note: Neymar, James, and Bale are all at the same amount in 56m UK Pounds. Hazard on the other hand is at 49m UK Pounds. Do with this information what you will. :)
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Credit: transfermark.co.uk (surely, the most trusted source in these matters)
< http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/vereins-statistik/wertvollstemannschaften/marktwertetop?plus=1 >
OP: I don't mean to disrespect you or your thread, I just thought this should be taken into account going simply by the threads title. Perhaps should've clarified it because it is rather misleading.
Here is the top 15 most expensive squads in Europe based on market value of each player. Which I think is a lot more sensible to look at if you want to figure out which is the most expensive squad. When you look at fees paid, the result will be skewed. For instance, you can buy a player for dirt cheap when he was young or he can graduate from your academy who develops into a very expensive player (Messi). Or for example, you can overpay for a player way above his market value.
This takes into account both Ronaldo's and Messi's market values (both at 84m pounds or 114m Euros and 127m Dollars). Also, both Neymar and James are at the same amount in 56m UK Pounds).
BTW: Hazard is at 49m UK Pounds. :P
Credit: transfermark.co.uk
OP: I don't mean to disrespect you or your thread, I just thought this should be taken into account going simply by the threads title. Perhaps should've clarified it because it is rather misleading.
Here is the top 15 most expensive squads in Europe based on market value of each player. Which I think is a lot more sensible to look at if you want to figure out which is the most expensive squad. When you look at fees paid, the result will be skewed. For instance, you can buy a player for dirt cheap when he was young or he can graduate from your academy who develops into a very expensive player (Messi). Or for example, teams at times overpay for a player way above his market value and could not hope to resale him at that same price. (For example: David Luiz)
This takes into account both Ronaldo's and Messi's market values (both at 84m pounds or 114m Euros, 127m Dollars).
Also, on a side note: Neymar and James are at the same amount in 56m UK Pounds). Hazard on the other hand is at 49m UK Pounds. Do with this information what you will.
Credit: transfermark.co.uk (undoubtedly the most trusted source in these matters)
OP: I don't mean to disrespect you or your thread, I just thought this should be taken into account going simply by the threads title. Perhaps should've clarified it because it is rather misleading.
Here is the top 15 most expensive squads in Europe based on market value of each player. Which I think is a lot more sensible to look at if you want to figure out which is the most expensive squad. When you look at fees paid, the result will be skewed. For instance, you can buy a player for dirt cheap when he was young or he can graduate from your academy who develops into a very expensive player (Messi). Or for example, teams at times overpay for a player way above his market value and could not hope to resale him at that same price. (For example: David Luiz)
This takes into account both Ronaldo's and Messi's market values (both at 84m pounds or 114m Euros, 127m Dollars).
Also, on a side note: Neymar and James are at the same amount in 56m UK Pounds). Hazard on the other hand is at 49m UK Pounds. Do with this information what you will.
Credit: transfermark.co.uk (surely, the most trusted source in these matters)
OP: I don't mean to disrespect you or your thread, I just thought this should be taken into account going simply by the threads title. Perhaps should've clarified it because it is rather misleading.
Here is the top 15 most expensive squads in Europe based on market value of each player. Which I think is a lot more sensible to look at if you want to figure out which is the most expensive squad. When you look at fees paid, the result will be skewed. For instance, you can buy a player for dirt cheap when he was young or he can graduate from your academy who develops into a very expensive player (Messi). Or for example, teams at times overpay for a player way above his market value and could not hope to resell him at that same price. (For example: David Luiz). Just because you paid so and so for a player does not mean that is how much he's worth.
This takes into account both Ronaldo's and Messi's market values (both at 84m pounds or 114m Euros, 127m Dollars).
Also, on a side note: Neymar and James are at the same amount in 56m UK Pounds). Hazard on the other hand is at 49m UK Pounds. Do with this information what you will.
Credit: transfermark.co.uk (surely, the most trusted source in these matters)
OP: I don't mean to disrespect you or your thread, I just thought this should be taken into account going simply by the threads title. Perhaps should've clarified it because it is rather misleading.
Here is the top 15 most expensive squads in Europe based on market value of each player as of this moment. Which I think is a lot more sensible to look at if you want to figure out which is the most expensive squad. When you look at fees paid, the result will be skewed. For instance, you can buy a player for dirt cheap when he was young or he can graduate from your academy who develops into a very expensive player (Messi). Or for example, teams at times overpay for a player way above his market value and could not hope to resell him at that same price. (For example: David Luiz). Just because you paid so and so for a player does not mean that is how much he's worth.
This takes into account both Ronaldo's and Messi's market values (both at 84m pounds or 114m Euros, 127m Dollars).
Also, on a side note: Neymar and James are at the same amount in 56m UK Pounds). Hazard on the other hand is at 49m UK Pounds. Do with this information what you will.
Credit: transfermark.co.uk (surely, the most trusted source in these matters)
OP: I don't mean to disrespect you or your thread, I just thought this should be taken into account going simply by the threads title. Perhaps should've clarified it because it is rather misleading.
Here is the top 15 most expensive squads in Europe based on market value of each player as of this moment. Which I think is a lot more sensible to look at if you want to figure out which is the most expensive squad. When you look at fees paid, the result will be skewed. For instance, you can buy a player for dirt cheap when he was young or he can graduate from your academy who develops into a very expensive player (Messi). Or for example, teams at times overpay for a player way above his market value and could not hope to resell him at that same price. (For example: David Luiz). Just because you paid so and so for a player does not mean that is how much he's worth.
This takes into account both Ronaldo's and Messi's market values (both at 84m pounds or 114m Euros, 127m Dollars).
Also, on a side note: Neymar, James, and Bale are all at the same amount in 56m UK Pounds. Hazard on the other hand is at 49m UK Pounds. Do with this information what you will. :)
Credit: transfermark.co.uk (surely, the most trusted source in these matters)
OP: I don't mean to disrespect you or your thread, I just thought this should be taken into account going simply by the threads title. Perhaps should've clarified it because it is rather misleading.
Here is the top 15 most expensive squads in Europe based on market value of each player as of this moment. Which I think is a lot more sensible to look at if you want to figure out which is the most expensive squad. When you look at fees paid, the result will be skewed. For instance, you can buy a player for dirt cheap when he was young or he can graduate from your academy who develops into a very expensive player (Messi). Or for example, teams at times overpay for a player way above his market value and could not hope to resell him at that same price. (For example: David Luiz). Just because you paid so and so for a player does not mean that is how much he's worth.
This takes into account both Ronaldo's and Messi's market values (both at 84m pounds or 114m Euros, 127m Dollars).
Also, on a side note: Neymar, James, and Bale are all at the same amount in 56m UK Pounds. Hazard on the other hand is at 49m UK Pounds. Do with this information what you will. :)
Credit: transfermark.co.uk (surely, the most trusted source in these matters)
< http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/vereins-statistik/wertvollstemannschaften/marktwertetop?plus=1 >
OP: I don't mean to disrespect you or your thread, I just thought this should be taken into account going simply by the threads title. Perhaps should've clarified it because it is rather misleading.
Here is the top 15 most expensive squads in Europe based on market value of each player as of this moment. Which I think is a lot more sensible to look at if you want to figure out which is the most expensive squad. When you look at fees paid, the result will be skewed. For instance, you can buy a player for dirt cheap when he was young or he can graduate from your academy and develop into a very expensive player (Messi). Or for example, teams at times overpay for a player way above his market value and could not hope to resell him at that same price. (For example: David Luiz). Just because you paid so and so for a player does not mean that is how much he's worth.
This takes into account both Ronaldo's and Messi's market values (both at 84m pounds or 114m Euros, 127m Dollars).
Also, on a side note: Neymar, James, and Bale are all at the same amount in 56m UK Pounds. Hazard on the other hand is at 49m UK Pounds. Do with this information what you will. :)
Credit: transfermark.co.uk (surely, the most trusted source in these matters)
< http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/vereins-statistik/wertvollstemannschaften/marktwertetop?plus=1 >
OP: I don't mean to disrespect you or your thread, I just thought this should be taken into account going simply by the threads title. Perhaps should've clarified it because it is rather misleading.
tiki_taka
9 years ago
Barça spends less than their rivals for decades now...
Amerr30
9 years ago
Edited
Tiki_taka, that's not true. They spend almost just as much as Real Madrid. There hasn't been a good graduate from La Masia for quite some time now, just like it was before the class of Xavi, Iniesta and Messi. That specific era produced the core of Barcelona, but aside from that - Barcelona has always been buying players left and right. Suarez cost you almost as much as Bale. Neymar cost much more than it was reported.
I honestly don't understand how Barcelona got the reputation that they do not buy players. Look at their team right now. Aside from Messi and Busquets, which player in the starting 11 came from La Masia?
Here's the amount spent by Barcelona and Real Madrid in the last 5 years.
Spendings
Barcelona:
10/11: €71.5 million
11/12: €60 million
12/13: €33 million
13/14: €70.1 Million
14/15: €165.25 million
15/16: €52 million
TOTAL: 451.75 million
ReaL Madrid:
10/11: €74.5 million
11/12: €55 million
12/13: €34 million
13/14: €162.7 million
14/15: €130.5 million
15/16: €86.9 million
TOTAL: 543.6 million
With the exception of the season 13/14, the amount both teams spent on transfer is actually almost identical. Sometimes Barca spends more, sometimes Real. Don't forget that these totals also do not reflect the 'actual amount' Barca spent on Neymar, which was a lot more than it was reported.
So please, next time you want to say something like that, make sure you are surrounded by gullible fans.
Tiki_taka, that's not true. They spend almost just as much as Real Madrid. There hasn't been a good graduate from La Masia for quite some time now, just like it was before the class of Xavi, Iniesta and Messi. That specific era produced the core of Barcelona, but aside from that - Barcelona has always been buying players left and right. Suarez cost you almost as much as Bale. Neymar cost much more than it was reported.
I honestly don't understand how Barcelona got the reputation that they do not buy players. Look at their team right now. Aside from Messi and Busquets, which player in the starting 11 came from La Masia?
Here's the amount spent by Barcelona and Real Madrid in the last 5 years.
Spendings
Barcelona:
10/11: €71.5 million
11/12: €60 million
12/13: €33 million
13/14: €70.1 Million
14/15: €165.25 million
15/16: €52 million
TOTAL: 451.75 million
ReaL Madrid:
10/11: €74.5 million
11/12: €55 million
12/13: €34 million
13/14: €162.7 million
14/15: €130.5 million
15/16: €86.9 million
TOTAL: 543.6 million
With the exception of the season 13/14, the amount both teams spent on transfer is actually almost identical. Sometimes Barca spends more, sometimes Real.
So please, next time you want to say something like that, make sure you are surrounded by gullible fans.
tiki_taka
9 years ago
Im talking about the net spendings.... Im talking about a decade, gives us the 2005/2010 Madrid number of signings please :) i will give a prediction : about 50 players signed ? ( sneider, robben, van nistelroy, huntelaar, van der vart, adebayor.......... And the list is unfinishable ).
So yes Madrid finally find a complete team in 2010/11 but their History of signings was just over at this special moment, dont try to sound fair you know who rely only in toys and mercatos, and you know who rely less from the two...
Amerr30
9 years ago
Edited
The team was in a transition, so it's quite reasonable to assume that they brought in a lot of players but so did Barcelona. As I said, aside from the class of Messi, Iniesta, and Xavi - in what other era was Barcelona's team comprised mostly of La Masia graduate? La Masia was never a big talent producing academy, that honor belongs to the youth academy of Ajax.
You mention the Dutch players which ended being a failure of a plan so they had to be sold and replacements brought in. However, did you forget the signings of Barcelona? Ibrahimovic, Ronaldinho, David Villa, Theirry Henry, Alexis Sanchez and I keep going. All of these players were quite expensive, too.
And for what reason would you look at 'net spendings'? I'm assuming you want to subtract the amount earned from sale of players? Did you know that last season we practically broke even though we brought in James? I don't see the point in talking about that because neither Real Madrid nor Barcelona is a selling club. Both clubs make enough money so the funds generated from the sale of players is not the primary source of income. However, we are strictly talking about money spent on players. That alone. And the fact is that both teams spend about the same on players.
I am not saying that Real Madrid does not or has not spent a lot of money on players, it's true they did. However, do not for a second think that Barcelona does not do exactly the same thing. If anything, recently Barcelona has started to follow in Real Madrids foot-steps and are buying stars every transfer window.
Now they're also interested in Pogba as well, who I'm sure will cost minimum 80-90 million. It's all media's fault, and I can tell how influenced you are by them. They are the ones who make it seem like Real Madrid spends so much money on transfers while Barcelona does not with their supposed 'more than a club' philosophy, but it's all just simply anti-real propaganda. The fact is Barcelona spends just as much Real, and on a lot of occasions have spent even more.
BTW: Why did you mention Adebayor? He was loaned in for only half a season.
The team was in a transition, so it's quite reasonable to assume that they brought in a lot of players but so did Barcelona. As I said, aside from the class of Messi, Iniesta, and Xavi - in what other era was Barcelona's team comprised mostly of La Masia graduate? La Masia was never a big talent producing academy, that honor belongs to the youth academy of Ajax.
You mention the Dutch players which ended being a failure of a plan so they had to be sold and replacements brought in. However, did you forget the signings of Barcelona? Ibrahimovic, Ronaldinho, David Villa, Theirry Henry, and I keep going. All of these players were quite expensive, too.
And for what reason would you look at 'net spendings'? I'm assuming you want to subtract the amount earned from sale of players? Did you know that last season we practically broke even though we brought in James? I don't see the point in talking about that because neither Real Madrid nor Barcelona is a selling club. Both clubs make enough money so the funds generated from the sale of players is not the primary source of income. However, we are strictly talking about money spent on players. That alone. And the fact is that both teams spend about the same on players.
I am not saying that Real Madrid does not or has not spent a lot of money on players, it's true they did. However, do not for a second think that Barcelona does not do exactly the same thing. If anything, recently Barcelona has started to follow in Real Madrids foot-steps and are buying stars every transfer window.
Now they're also interested in Pogba as well, who I'm sure will cost minimum 80-90 million. It's all media's fault, and I can tell how influenced you are by them. They are the ones who make it seem like Real Madrid spends so much money on transfers while Barcelona does not with their supposed 'more than a club' philosophy, but it's all just simply anti-real propaganda. The fact is Barcelona spends just as much Real, and on a lot of occasions have spent even more.
BTW: Why did you mention Adebayor? He was loaned in for only half a season.
tiki_taka
9 years ago
Edited
You seem not aware of both clubs identity, and History. Barça before Crujf had a long term ban from transfers, and after Crujf relied on la masia...
Im not saying that Barça doesnt sign at all, its a stupid claim, Bilbao is the team that signs less in Spain and probably in Europe.
But its plain stupid to compare Madrid and Perez signing policy to Barça's in a short period or in the whole History of both clubs.
A decade ago, Barça had 1/4 of Madrid budget and were not as big, a decade later they have the same budgets, the last Cabtera upgrade of Madrid was Casillas while Barça despite Rossell ( 4 years trying to copy Madrid policy ) kept injecting youngsters to first squad, so NO they arent the same even in this short period AND PROBABLY NOT IN THEIR RESPECTIVE HISTORIES.
You seem not aware of both clubs identity, and History. Barça before Crujf had a long term ban from transfers, and after Crujf relied on la masia...
Im not saying that Barça doesnt sign at all, its a stupid claim, Bilbao is the team that signs less in Spain and probably in Europe.
But its plain stupid to compare Madrid and Perez signing policy to Barça's in a short period or in the whole History of both clubs.
SunFlash
9 years ago
Hate to butt into this La Liga argument, but the way I view the spending of Barca and Madrid is like I view the spending of United and City. United and Barca spend big when they need too. City and Madrid spend big because they can. When Barca spends a bunch on someone, usually it is because they needed someone at that position, so the player that is bought works in a nice rotation and gets most of the starting time. Madrid (and City) spend stupid amounts of money on players that won't even end up in their 11, and sometimes don't even get a sniff of it. Illaramendi is a perfect example, but he's not the only one. In some cases, and Kaylor Navas is a good example here, if Madrid didn't spend big on someone, irrelevant of how they are playing, they are expendable. That's an awful policy.
Everyone, even fans of Real, have to acknowledge that Perez is an absolute tool.
Amerr30
9 years ago
Edited
^ I agree with that, but that has nothing to do with what we are discussing here. I'm just sick and tired of hearing how Barcelona doesn't spend nearly as much as Real Madrid and it's simply not true. The fact is that they spend just as much as Real Madrid. Also, Barcelona has also had brought in expensive players that they got rid of soon after or that they didn't take a full advantage of. Alexis Sanchez, Ibrahimovic, Cesc Febragas, a few names that come to mind. They also never really 'needed' Sanchez, so what you're saying there is not always the case. They have also brought in players just because they can even if they didn't necessarily need them. Cesc is another example.
@Tiki_taka: I will just leave it at that. I do not want to get into a huge as discussion about what separates Real Madrid from Barcelona and vice versa. I only wanted to correct you on your statement that Barcelona doesn't spend as much, and I believe I have done that. Regardless of their histories, both clubs spend about the same amount in recent history.
It is also true however that until the last decade, Barcelona was an irrelevant club in World Football. On that evidence, it shouldn't be compared to Real Madrid of a decade or two prior because clubs had different ambitions and thus acted differently in the transfer market. Do you see today Real Madrid buying your top player, like we did with Figo a decade and half ago? Probably not.
@Sun: I just want to add one more thing. Though his transfer policy is questionable, I think a lot of people overlook all the good Perez has done for Real Madrid. I don't believe we would be where we are today (one of the best 3 squads in the World) if it wasn't for Perez. The motivation behind his purchases aside, he has done a lot of good for Real Madrid and has brought in players that have become legends for Real Madrid. He's behind the transfers of not just Bale and Ronaldo, but also Figo, el Fenomeno (R9), and Zidane as well. All of these players have become legends for Real Madrid, perhaps not Figo as we never really liked him that much. At the end of the day, he still turned out to be a player without loyalty.
^ I agree with that, but that has nothing to do with what we are discussing here. I'm just sick and tired of hearing how Barcelona doesn't spend nearly as much as Real Madrid and it's simply not true. The fact is that they spend just as much as Real Madrid. Also, Barcelona has also had brought in expensive players that they got rid of soon after or that they didn't take a full advantage of. Alexis Sanchez, Ibrahimovic, Cesc Febragas, a few names that come to mind.
@Tiki_taka: I will just leave it at that. I do not want to get into a huge as discussion about what separates Real Madrid from Barcelona and vice versa. I only wanted to correct you on your statement that Barcelona doesn't spend as much, and I believe I have done that. Regardless of their histories, both clubs spend about the same amount in recent history.
It is also true however that until the last decade, Barcelona was an irrelevant club in World Football. On that evidence, it shouldn't be compared to Real Madrid of a decade or two prior because clubs had different ambitions and thus acted differently in the transfer market. Do you see today Real Madrid buying your top player, like we did with Figo a decade and half ago? Probably not.
^ I agree with that, but that has nothing to do with what we are discussing here. I'm just sick and tired of hearing how Barcelona doesn't spend nearly as much as Real Madrid and it's simply not true. The fact is that they spend just as much as Real Madrid. Also, Barcelona has also had brought in expensive players that they got rid of soon after or that they didn't take a full advantage of. Alexis Sanchez, Ibrahimovic, Cesc Febragas, a few names that come to mind.
@Tiki_taka: I will just leave it at that. I do not want to get into a huge as discussion about what separates Real Madrid from Barcelona and vice versa. I only wanted to correct you on your statement that Barcelona doesn't spend as much, and I believe I have done that. Regardless of their histories, both clubs spend about the same amount in recent history.
It is also true however that until the last decade, Barcelona was an irrelevant club in World Football. On that evidence, it shouldn't be compared to Real Madrid of a decade or two prior because clubs had different ambitions and thus acted differently in the transfer market. Do you see today Real Madrid buying your top player, like we did with Figo a decade and half ago? Probably not.
@Sun: I just want to add one more thing. Though his transfer policy is questionable, I think a lot of people overlook all the good Perez has done for Real Madrid. I don't believe we would be where we are today (one of the best 3 squads in the World) if it wasn't for Perez. The motivation behind his purchases aside, he has done a lot of good for Real Madrid and has brought in players that have become legends for Real Madrid. He's behind the transfers of not just Bale and Ronaldo, but also Figo, el fenomeno, and Zidane as well. All of these players have become legends for Real Madrid, perhaps not Figo as we never really liked him that much. At the end of the day, he still has no loyalty.
^ I agree with that, but that has nothing to do with what we are discussing here. I'm just sick and tired of hearing how Barcelona doesn't spend nearly as much as Real Madrid and it's simply not true. The fact is that they spend just as much as Real Madrid. Also, Barcelona has also had brought in expensive players that they got rid of soon after or that they didn't take a full advantage of. Alexis Sanchez, Ibrahimovic, Cesc Febragas, a few names that come to mind.
@Tiki_taka: I will just leave it at that. I do not want to get into a huge as discussion about what separates Real Madrid from Barcelona and vice versa. I only wanted to correct you on your statement that Barcelona doesn't spend as much, and I believe I have done that. Regardless of their histories, both clubs spend about the same amount in recent history.
It is also true however that until the last decade, Barcelona was an irrelevant club in World Football. On that evidence, it shouldn't be compared to Real Madrid of a decade or two prior because clubs had different ambitions and thus acted differently in the transfer market. Do you see today Real Madrid buying your top player, like we did with Figo a decade and half ago? Probably not.
@Sun: I just want to add one more thing. Though his transfer policy is questionable, I think a lot of people overlook all the good Perez has done for Real Madrid. I don't believe we would be where we are today (one of the best 3 squads in the World) if it wasn't for Perez. The motivation behind his purchases aside, he has done a lot of good for Real Madrid and has brought in players that have become legends for Real Madrid. He's behind the transfers of not just Bale and Ronaldo, but also Figo, el Fenomeno (R9), and Zidane as well. All of these players have become legends for Real Madrid, perhaps not Figo as we never really liked him that much. At the end of the day, he still has no loyalty.
^ I agree with that, but that has nothing to do with what we are discussing here. I'm just sick and tired of hearing how Barcelona doesn't spend nearly as much as Real Madrid and it's simply not true. The fact is that they spend just as much as Real Madrid. Also, Barcelona has also had brought in expensive players that they got rid of soon after or that they didn't take a full advantage of. Alexis Sanchez, Ibrahimovic, Cesc Febragas, a few names that come to mind. They also never really 'needed' Sanchez, so that theory is not always the case.
@Tiki_taka: I will just leave it at that. I do not want to get into a huge as discussion about what separates Real Madrid from Barcelona and vice versa. I only wanted to correct you on your statement that Barcelona doesn't spend as much, and I believe I have done that. Regardless of their histories, both clubs spend about the same amount in recent history.
It is also true however that until the last decade, Barcelona was an irrelevant club in World Football. On that evidence, it shouldn't be compared to Real Madrid of a decade or two prior because clubs had different ambitions and thus acted differently in the transfer market. Do you see today Real Madrid buying your top player, like we did with Figo a decade and half ago? Probably not.
@Sun: I just want to add one more thing. Though his transfer policy is questionable, I think a lot of people overlook all the good Perez has done for Real Madrid. I don't believe we would be where we are today (one of the best 3 squads in the World) if it wasn't for Perez. The motivation behind his purchases aside, he has done a lot of good for Real Madrid and has brought in players that have become legends for Real Madrid. He's behind the transfers of not just Bale and Ronaldo, but also Figo, el Fenomeno (R9), and Zidane as well. All of these players have become legends for Real Madrid, perhaps not Figo as we never really liked him that much. At the end of the day, he still has no loyalty.
^ I agree with that, but that has nothing to do with what we are discussing here. I'm just sick and tired of hearing how Barcelona doesn't spend nearly as much as Real Madrid and it's simply not true. The fact is that they spend just as much as Real Madrid. Also, Barcelona has also had brought in expensive players that they got rid of soon after or that they didn't take a full advantage of. Alexis Sanchez, Ibrahimovic, Cesc Febragas, a few names that come to mind. They also never really 'needed' Sanchez, so what you're saying there is not always the case. They have also brought in players just because they can even if they didn't necessarily need them. Cesc is another example.
@Tiki_taka: I will just leave it at that. I do not want to get into a huge as discussion about what separates Real Madrid from Barcelona and vice versa. I only wanted to correct you on your statement that Barcelona doesn't spend as much, and I believe I have done that. Regardless of their histories, both clubs spend about the same amount in recent history.
It is also true however that until the last decade, Barcelona was an irrelevant club in World Football. On that evidence, it shouldn't be compared to Real Madrid of a decade or two prior because clubs had different ambitions and thus acted differently in the transfer market. Do you see today Real Madrid buying your top player, like we did with Figo a decade and half ago? Probably not.
@Sun: I just want to add one more thing. Though his transfer policy is questionable, I think a lot of people overlook all the good Perez has done for Real Madrid. I don't believe we would be where we are today (one of the best 3 squads in the World) if it wasn't for Perez. The motivation behind his purchases aside, he has done a lot of good for Real Madrid and has brought in players that have become legends for Real Madrid. He's behind the transfers of not just Bale and Ronaldo, but also Figo, el Fenomeno (R9), and Zidane as well. All of these players have become legends for Real Madrid, perhaps not Figo as we never really liked him that much. At the end of the day, he still has no loyalty.
tiki_taka
9 years ago
Edited
''until the last decade, Barcelona was an irrelevant club in World Football. ''
Ignorant view, Football is about cycles, not being good for years doesnt mean you are irrelevant....
Barça had a limitted budget, always get to CL positions without signing galacticos, in the 90s Barça won the league 4 times in a row, they defeated Madrid twice by 5-0 so its more your knowledge on Football who is irrelevant...
In the 70's there was Crujf era and i agree from 1955 to 1974 ( death of the dictator Franco ) Madrid and Atletico Madrid were the only teams winning the league all this period, thats another political subject more than sportive. From the early 1900 to 1955, Bilbao and Barcelona were the two most succesful clubs in Spain.
History aside, its silly to take a special period, when Madrid frenesy for transfers were over having bought more than 40 toys in less than 7 years, 80% got selled withing 2-3 years and compare it with Barça who bought mainly the players they needed.
Lets take the last decade stats as an example,Madrid spent twice what Barça spent. (I give you numbers if you insist)
The number is even bigger if we take a bigger period of time, i started from 2006 because its only at this special moment that Barça's finances were starting to rise ( at 150% per year at times thanks to Laporta sportive success ) to finally worth as much as Madrid.
So AGAIN NO, in term of transfers, Barça isnt Madrid, Barça suffers from prices inflation like any team, but they were never part of the responsible teams for inflations, there is certain teams who loves to make headlines breaking the fee records mercato after mercato, and one of these teams play in white.
'' Barcelona was an irrelevant club in World Football. ''
Ignorant view of a madridista, Football is about cycles, not being good for years doesnt mean you are irrelevant....
Barça had a limitted budget, always get to CL positions without signing galacticos, in the 90s Barça won the league 4 times in a row, they defeated Madrid twice by 5-0 so its more your knowledge on Football who is irrelevant...
In the 70's there was Crujf era and i agree from 1955 to 1974 ( death of the dictator Franco ) Madrid and Atletico Madrid were the only teams winning the league all this period. From the early 1900 to 1955, Bilbao and Barcelona were the two most succesful clubs in Spain.
History aside, its silly to take a special period, when Madrid frenesy for transfers were over having bought more than 40 toys in less than 7 years, 80% got selled withing 2-3 years and compare it with Barça who bought mainly the players they needed.
Lets take the last decade stats as an example, Madrid spent twice was Barça spent. ( I give you numbers if you insist )
The number is even bigger if we take a bigger period of time, i started from 2006 because its only at this special moment that Barça's finances were starting to rise ( at 150% per year at times thanks to Laporta sportive success ) to finally worth as much as Madrid.
So AGAIN NO, in term of transfers, Barça isnt Madrid, Barça suffers from prices inflation like any team, but they were never part of the responsible teams for inflations, there is certain teams who loves to make headlines breaking the fee records mercato after mercato, and one of these teams play in white.
'' Barcelona was an irrelevant club in World Football. ''
Ignorant view of a madridista, Football is about cycles, not being good for years doesnt mean you are irrelevant....
Barça had a limitted budget, always get to CL positions without signing galacticos, in the 90s Barça won the league 4 times in a row, they defeated Madrid twice by 5-0 so its more your knowledge on Football who is irrelevant...
In the 70's there was Crujf era and i agree from 1955 to 1974 ( death of the dictator Franco ) Madrid and Atletico Madrid were the only teams winning the league all this period. From the early 1900 to 1955, Bilbao and Barcelona were the two most succesful clubs in Spain.
History aside, its silly to take a special period, when Madrid frenesy for transfers were over having bought more than 40 toys in less than 7 years, 80% got selled withing 2-3 years and compare it with Barça who bought mainly the players they needed.
Lets take the last decade stats as an example,Madrid spent twice what Barça spent. (I give you numbers if you insist)
The number is even bigger if we take a bigger period of time, i started from 2006 because its only at this special moment that Barça's finances were starting to rise ( at 150% per year at times thanks to Laporta sportive success ) to finally worth as much as Madrid.
So AGAIN NO, in term of transfers, Barça isnt Madrid, Barça suffers from prices inflation like any team, but they were never part of the responsible teams for inflations, there is certain teams who loves to make headlines breaking the fee records mercato after mercato, and one of these teams play in white.
''until the last decade, Barcelona was an irrelevant club in World Football. ''
Ignorant view of a madridista, Football is about cycles, not being good for years doesnt mean you are irrelevant....
Barça had a limitted budget, always get to CL positions without signing galacticos, in the 90s Barça won the league 4 times in a row, they defeated Madrid twice by 5-0 so its more your knowledge on Football who is irrelevant...
In the 70's there was Crujf era and i agree from 1955 to 1974 ( death of the dictator Franco ) Madrid and Atletico Madrid were the only teams winning the league all this period. From the early 1900 to 1955, Bilbao and Barcelona were the two most succesful clubs in Spain.
History aside, its silly to take a special period, when Madrid frenesy for transfers were over having bought more than 40 toys in less than 7 years, 80% got selled withing 2-3 years and compare it with Barça who bought mainly the players they needed.
Lets take the last decade stats as an example,Madrid spent twice what Barça spent. (I give you numbers if you insist)
The number is even bigger if we take a bigger period of time, i started from 2006 because its only at this special moment that Barça's finances were starting to rise ( at 150% per year at times thanks to Laporta sportive success ) to finally worth as much as Madrid.
So AGAIN NO, in term of transfers, Barça isnt Madrid, Barça suffers from prices inflation like any team, but they were never part of the responsible teams for inflations, there is certain teams who loves to make headlines breaking the fee records mercato after mercato, and one of these teams play in white.
''until the last decade, Barcelona was an irrelevant club in World Football. ''
Ignorant view, Football is about cycles, not being good for years doesnt mean you are irrelevant....
Barça had a limitted budget, always get to CL positions without signing galacticos, in the 90s Barça won the league 4 times in a row, they defeated Madrid twice by 5-0 so its more your knowledge on Football who is irrelevant...
In the 70's there was Crujf era and i agree from 1955 to 1974 ( death of the dictator Franco ) Madrid and Atletico Madrid were the only teams winning the league all this period. From the early 1900 to 1955, Bilbao and Barcelona were the two most succesful clubs in Spain.
History aside, its silly to take a special period, when Madrid frenesy for transfers were over having bought more than 40 toys in less than 7 years, 80% got selled withing 2-3 years and compare it with Barça who bought mainly the players they needed.
Lets take the last decade stats as an example,Madrid spent twice what Barça spent. (I give you numbers if you insist)
The number is even bigger if we take a bigger period of time, i started from 2006 because its only at this special moment that Barça's finances were starting to rise ( at 150% per year at times thanks to Laporta sportive success ) to finally worth as much as Madrid.
So AGAIN NO, in term of transfers, Barça isnt Madrid, Barça suffers from prices inflation like any team, but they were never part of the responsible teams for inflations, there is certain teams who loves to make headlines breaking the fee records mercato after mercato, and one of these teams play in white.
tiki_taka
9 years ago
Edited
I think no player in the world would try to live Figo's experience, after that Both directions know that they cant deal with each others...
And why would any player move from Barça ? If Barça wants him to stay ? Barça won 6 of the last 7 ligas and 4 of the last nine CL's, by your logic its Madrid who is irrelevant at the moment... ( not my logic tho )
Barça has won now the Same amount of the big ears CL ( the real one not the one when you needed to win 4 games to win it ), has 10 more Copas than Real and 9 ligas ahead of Madrid, has more international trophies and more trophies in total, if Madridistas likes to count the plastic ones then why not...
SIMPLE FACT : MANCHESTER CITY IS THE ONLY TEAM WHO SPENT MORE THAN MADRID IN THE LAST DECADE.
Barça is ranked 6th.
I think no player in the world would try to live Figo's experience, and why would any player move from Barça ? If Barça wants him to stay ? Barça won 6 of the last 7 ligas and 4 of the last nine CL's, by your logic its Madrid who is irrelevant at the moment... ( not my logic tho )
I think no player in the world would try to live Figo's experience, Both directions know that they cant deal with each others...
And why would any player move from Barça ? If Barça wants him to stay ? Barça won 6 of the last 7 ligas and 4 of the last nine CL's, by your logic its Madrid who is irrelevant at the moment... ( not my logic tho )
I think no player in the world would try to live Figo's experience, Both directions know that they cant deal with each others...
And why would any player move from Barça ? If Barça wants him to stay ? Barça won 6 of the last 7 ligas and 4 of the last nine CL's, by your logic its Madrid who is irrelevant at the moment... ( not my logic tho )
SIMPLE FACT : MANCHESTER CITY IS THE ONLY TEAM WHO SPENT MORE THAN MADRID IN THE LAST DECADE.
Barça is ranked 6th.
I think no player in the world would try to live Figo's experience, Both directions know that they cant deal with each others...
And why would any player move from Barça ? If Barça wants him to stay ? Barça won 6 of the last 7 ligas and 4 of the last nine CL's, by your logic its Madrid who is irrelevant at the moment... ( not my logic tho )
Barça has won now the Same amount of the big ears CL ( the real one not the one when you needed to win 4 games to win it ), has 10 more Copas than Real and 9 ligas ahead of Madrid, has more international trophies and more trophies in total, if Madridistas likes to count the plastic ones then why not...
SIMPLE FACT : MANCHESTER CITY IS THE ONLY TEAM WHO SPENT MORE THAN MADRID IN THE LAST DECADE.
Barça is ranked 6th.
Amerr30
9 years ago
Oh Jesus, this is the exact kind of argument I was trying to avoid. Listen tiki_taka, it's quite obvious that you consider the times of football when only Barcelona was prominent.
I'm a bit too old to be arguing over internet which team is better, more successful, or what have you. I talked about the last five years because it seemed to me as the most recent, and it concerns mostly players that are still relevant. The fact as I've mentioned is that in the previous five years, the spendings of both Real Madrid and Barcelona are very close. I understand that you would want to go back further, because Barcelonas behavior in the market was different during those times. They were irrelevant in World football, and by that I mean they were not the cream of the crop that they are part of today.
They were as relevant say as Manchester United is today. Yes, they are still one of the top teams in the World Football but are not really challenging for anything.
Barcelona have been champions in Europe five times, four times have come in the last decade, and three of those within the last 7 years. Barcelonas rise to prominence coincides with their significant increase in spending in the transfer market. You say a decade or two ago, Barcelona was not spending much and that is true - but they also only had 1 champions league trophy because of that.
Football did not start a decade ago, or two decades ago. European competitions began in the 50's, largely thanks to Real Madrid. But I don't want to talk about that, as I said. I don't want to remind you that Real Madrid has been named the club of the Century. I don't want to talk about which team has been more successful because Real Madrid is miles and miles ahead, and everybody knows that. It's rather futile and pointless for this discussion.
The fact is this: Barcelona are remaining on the top in the World football 'because' they are spending as much as Real Madrid has been for decades now. The fact that Barcelona has just STARTED doing this does not mean they are special, simply late to the party. And this shows with them having only half the european cups as Real Madrid.
So get this through your thick head: Barcelona is only on top (or one of the best three clubs in the World at the moment) because they are COPYING what Real Madrid has been doing through-out most of their modern history. This means they spend just as much Real Madrid. They could in fact even be considered as BUYING those trophies, too.
This will be my last response to you. I'm way too old to be arguing about this on the internet, and if you want to have the last word - so be it. Tell yourselves whatever you need, how you are better than Real, or 'more than a club', or whatever. You guys have been in Real's shadow for a century, it is no surprise you have wanted to differentiate yourselves during those times. You are not anymore though, right now, you are just as bad Real Madrid.
And you guys do buy players without necessity, too. As I previously stated which you have decided to ignore, which is another reason why I will not be continuing this. Cesc Febragas, Alexis, even Ibrahimovic to an extent were all 'unnecessary' purchases.
rayrex7
9 years ago
Dear lord.............
liomessi10
9 years ago
@tiki_taka how do u manage,to always get into these endless arguments.
tiki_taka
9 years ago
Europeen competitions started before the 50's, and in the first champions league, Barça were la liga holders and refused to play an insgnificant cup at the moment, they went playing copa cataluna and Madrid was picked from Spain because only one team could participate from each country...
I dont care if you rate high or not the Europeen cup with the small ears trophy, i only consider the new one, thats it.
I respect more Del Bosque's Real Madrid with Raul/Morientes and Hierro as a captain than the Perez Galatico's, and i respect 100 times more '' la quinta del buitre '' of Butragueno then FRANCO Madrid getting all the help needed and weakning other clubs for political intentions, and thats my point and he never changed.
You love Perez, its okay, you will have him for quite a long so enjoy your Legends getting sacked and disrespected and your faithful coaches getting disrespected, Del Bosue, Pellegrini, Ancelotti, ( Capello left only after one year while he won the league ), Shuster got a terrific year, ended sacked for free and im sure Benitez has already his luggages near his house in case his team goes unlucky...
Amerr30
9 years ago
Edited
Legends disrespected? I'm assuming you're talking about Casillas. I honestly think he brought it on himself. A majority of the fans were calling for him to be replaced or placed on bench, though politics did not allow that. Real Madrid does not disrespect its legends. Look at the way Roberto Carlos, Zidane, even Figo ended their careers. All of these players understood when it was time that they couldn't play at the top anymore, and promptly left before they became a target unlike Casillas.
Iker was given more than enough time to decide on his own to leave the club on a high, with his reputation completely still intact. The last few seasons he had with Real Madrid, he was simply not deserving of his spot anymore. Yet he was given a starting position, undeservedly, all because he is a legend. If that is not a show of respect than I don't know what is.
The fact is Real Madrid is a club that wants to stay on top, and cannot afford to field players simply because of what they have done in the past. Raul is another example. Casillas thought he was bigger than the club and he was wrong to do that. In my opinion, he wasn't mistreated - no more so than what he brought on himself.
Having said that..
Franco Madrid? Only consider the 'new European trophy'? I wonder if that would be the case if your team had any success in the one you don't consider to be worthy. In any case, you're clearly a troll. Obviously posting here to provoke me into a response, and that's fine. I feel sad for you, how selectively you are in what you consider success. That's fine though, you're alone in this opinion. It must cut very deep knowing that Real Madrid is the most successful and well known football institutions in the World.
I do find it ironic you bring up Franco Madrid and etc while your club is the one involved in charges of freud, and are banned from signing players.
Enjoy this little.. phase of prominence while it lasts, the chances are you guys are going right back to being in Real Madrids shadow after this crop of players retire. Look at La Masia, how many games have they lost in a row? They haven't produced anything since the class of Messi, Iniesta and Xavi. It's already over. Messi is surrounded by players nurtured by other academies.
Regardless of success the last decade has brought, Barcelona will always be Catalunya - the gypies of Spain. Even in your most prominent times, you guys do nothing but talk about Real Madrid. It's so deep in rooted in your culture that you cannot enjoy even being on top. Look at the way Pique talks in the media, after Real Madrid players come out to defend him.
He comes out and says he wishes the worst for Real Madrid.
Your Sporting Director blames Real Madrid, when you guys act outside of the law. It's pathetic, a sickness. It's no wonder, even in your success, you're bitter.
That is what separates Real from Barcelona. It's class and professionalism. You'll never see a Real Madrid player behave and talk like that. And if he did, he would be distanced from the club as soon as possible.
Form is temporary, class is permanent.
Legends disrespected? I'm assuming you're talking about Casillas. I honestly think he brought it on himself. A majority of the fans were calling for him to be replaced or placed on bench, though politics did not allow that. Real Madrid does not disrespect its legends. Look at the way Roberto Carlos, Zidane, even Figo ended their careers. All of these players understood when it was time that they couldn't play at the top anymore, and promptly left before they became a target unlike Casillas.
Iker was given more than enough time to decide on his own to leave the club on a high, with his reputation completely still intact. The last few seasons he had with Real Madrid, he was simply not deserving of his spot anymore. Yet he was given a starting position, undeservedly, all because he is a legend. If that is not a show of respect than I don't know what is.
The fact is Real Madrid is a club that wants to stay on top, and cannot afford to field players simply because of what they have done in the past. Raul is another example. Casillas thought he was bigger than the club and he was wrong to do that. In my opinion, he wasn't mistreated - no more than he brought it on himself.
Having said that..
Franco Madrid? Only consider the 'new European trophy'? I wonder if that would be the case if your team had any success in the one you don't consider to be worthy. In any case, you're clearly a troll. Obviously posting here to provoke me into a response, and that's fine. I feel sad for you, how selectively you are in what you consider success. That's fine though, you're alone in this opinion. It must cut very deep knowing that Real Madrid is the most successful and well known football institutions in the World.
I do find it ironic you bring up Franco Madrid and etc while your club is the one involved in charges of freud, and are banned from signing players.
Enjoy this little.. phase of prominence while it lasts, the chances are you guys are going right back to being in Real Madrids shadow after this crop of players retire. Look at La Masia, how many games have they lost in a row? They haven't produced anything since the class of Messi, Iniesta and Xavi. It's already over. Messi is surrounded by players nurtured by other academies.
Legends disrespected? I'm assuming you're talking about Casillas. I honestly think he brought it on himself. A majority of the fans were calling for him to be replaced or placed on bench, though politics did not allow that. Real Madrid does not disrespect its legends. Look at the way Roberto Carlos, Zidane, even Figo ended their careers. All of these players understood when it was time that they couldn't play at the top anymore, and promptly left before they became a target unlike Casillas.
Iker was given more than enough time to decide on his own to leave the club on a high, with his reputation completely still intact. The last few seasons he had with Real Madrid, he was simply not deserving of his spot anymore. Yet he was given a starting position, undeservedly, all because he is a legend. If that is not a show of respect than I don't know what is.
The fact is Real Madrid is a club that wants to stay on top, and cannot afford to field players simply because of what they have done in the past. Raul is another example. Casillas thought he was bigger than the club and he was wrong to do that. In my opinion, he wasn't mistreated - no more than he brought it on himself.
Having said that..
Franco Madrid? Only consider the 'new European trophy'? I wonder if that would be the case if your team had any success in the one you don't consider to be worthy. In any case, you're clearly a troll. Obviously posting here to provoke me into a response, and that's fine. I feel sad for you, how selectively you are in what you consider success. That's fine though, you're alone in this opinion. It must cut very deep knowing that Real Madrid is the most successful and well known football institutions in the World.
I do find it ironic you bring up Franco Madrid and etc while your club is the one involved in charges of freud, and are banned from signing players.
Enjoy this little.. phase of prominence while it lasts, the chances are you guys are going right back to being in Real Madrids shadow after this crop of players retire. Look at La Masia, how many games have they lost in a row? They haven't produced anything since the class of Messi, Iniesta and Xavi. It's already over. Messi is surrounded by players nurtured by other academies.
Regardless of success the last decade has brought, Barcelona will always be Catalunya - the gypies of Spain. Even in your most prominent times, you guys do nothing but talk about Real Madrid. It's so deep in rooted in your culture that you cannot enjoy even being on top. Look at the way Pique talks in the media, after Real Madrid players come out to defend him.
He comes out and says he wishes the worst for Real Madrid.
That is what separates Real from Barcelona. It's class and professionalism. You'll never see a Real Madrid player behave and talk like that. And if he did, he would be distanced from the club as soon as possible.
Form is temporary, class is permanent. Guess which is which?
Legends disrespected? I'm assuming you're talking about Casillas. I honestly think he brought it on himself. A majority of the fans were calling for him to be replaced or placed on bench, though politics did not allow that. Real Madrid does not disrespect its legends. Look at the way Roberto Carlos, Zidane, even Figo ended their careers. All of these players understood when it was time that they couldn't play at the top anymore, and promptly left before they became a target unlike Casillas.
Iker was given more than enough time to decide on his own to leave the club on a high, with his reputation completely still intact. The last few seasons he had with Real Madrid, he was simply not deserving of his spot anymore. Yet he was given a starting position, undeservedly, all because he is a legend. If that is not a show of respect than I don't know what is.
The fact is Real Madrid is a club that wants to stay on top, and cannot afford to field players simply because of what they have done in the past. Raul is another example. Casillas thought he was bigger than the club and he was wrong to do that. In my opinion, he wasn't mistreated - no more than he brought it on himself.
Having said that..
Franco Madrid? Only consider the 'new European trophy'? I wonder if that would be the case if your team had any success in the one you don't consider to be worthy. In any case, you're clearly a troll. Obviously posting here to provoke me into a response, and that's fine. I feel sad for you, how selectively you are in what you consider success. That's fine though, you're alone in this opinion. It must cut very deep knowing that Real Madrid is the most successful and well known football institutions in the World.
I do find it ironic you bring up Franco Madrid and etc while your club is the one involved in charges of freud, and are banned from signing players.
Enjoy this little.. phase of prominence while it lasts, the chances are you guys are going right back to being in Real Madrids shadow after this crop of players retire. Look at La Masia, how many games have they lost in a row? They haven't produced anything since the class of Messi, Iniesta and Xavi. It's already over. Messi is surrounded by players nurtured by other academies.
Regardless of success the last decade has brought, Barcelona will always be Catalunya - the gypies of Spain. Even in your most prominent times, you guys do nothing but talk about Real Madrid. It's so deep in rooted in your culture that you cannot enjoy even being on top. Look at the way Pique talks in the media, after Real Madrid players come out to defend him.
He comes out and says he wishes the worst for Real Madrid.
That is what separates Real from Barcelona. It's class and professionalism. You'll never see a Real Madrid player behave and talk like that. And if he did, he would be distanced from the club as soon as possible.
Form is temporary, class is permanent.
Legends disrespected? I'm assuming you're talking about Casillas. I honestly think he brought it on himself. A majority of the fans were calling for him to be replaced or placed on bench, though politics did not allow that. Real Madrid does not disrespect its legends. Look at the way Roberto Carlos, Zidane, even Figo ended their careers. All of these players understood when it was time that they couldn't play at the top anymore, and promptly left before they became a target unlike Casillas.
Iker was given more than enough time to decide on his own to leave the club on a high, with his reputation completely still intact. The last few seasons he had with Real Madrid, he was simply not deserving of his spot anymore. Yet he was given a starting position, undeservedly, all because he is a legend. If that is not a show of respect than I don't know what is.
The fact is Real Madrid is a club that wants to stay on top, and cannot afford to field players simply because of what they have done in the past. Raul is another example. Casillas thought he was bigger than the club and he was wrong to do that. In my opinion, he wasn't mistreated - no more so than what he brought on himself.
Having said that..
Franco Madrid? Only consider the 'new European trophy'? I wonder if that would be the case if your team had any success in the one you don't consider to be worthy. In any case, you're clearly a troll. Obviously posting here to provoke me into a response, and that's fine. I feel sad for you, how selectively you are in what you consider success. That's fine though, you're alone in this opinion. It must cut very deep knowing that Real Madrid is the most successful and well known football institutions in the World.
I do find it ironic you bring up Franco Madrid and etc while your club is the one involved in charges of freud, and are banned from signing players.
Enjoy this little.. phase of prominence while it lasts, the chances are you guys are going right back to being in Real Madrids shadow after this crop of players retire. Look at La Masia, how many games have they lost in a row? They haven't produced anything since the class of Messi, Iniesta and Xavi. It's already over. Messi is surrounded by players nurtured by other academies.
Regardless of success the last decade has brought, Barcelona will always be Catalunya - the gypies of Spain. Even in your most prominent times, you guys do nothing but talk about Real Madrid. It's so deep in rooted in your culture that you cannot enjoy even being on top. Look at the way Pique talks in the media, after Real Madrid players come out to defend him.
He comes out and says he wishes the worst for Real Madrid.
That is what separates Real from Barcelona. It's class and professionalism. You'll never see a Real Madrid player behave and talk like that. And if he did, he would be distanced from the club as soon as possible.
Form is temporary, class is permanent.
Legends disrespected? I'm assuming you're talking about Casillas. I honestly think he brought it on himself. A majority of the fans were calling for him to be replaced or placed on bench, though politics did not allow that. Real Madrid does not disrespect its legends. Look at the way Roberto Carlos, Zidane, even Figo ended their careers. All of these players understood when it was time that they couldn't play at the top anymore, and promptly left before they became a target unlike Casillas.
Iker was given more than enough time to decide on his own to leave the club on a high, with his reputation completely still intact. The last few seasons he had with Real Madrid, he was simply not deserving of his spot anymore. Yet he was given a starting position, undeservedly, all because he is a legend. If that is not a show of respect than I don't know what is.
The fact is Real Madrid is a club that wants to stay on top, and cannot afford to field players simply because of what they have done in the past. Raul is another example. Casillas thought he was bigger than the club and he was wrong to do that. In my opinion, he wasn't mistreated - no more so than what he brought on himself.
Having said that..
Franco Madrid? Only consider the 'new European trophy'? I wonder if that would be the case if your team had any success in the one you don't consider to be worthy. In any case, you're clearly a troll. Obviously posting here to provoke me into a response, and that's fine. I feel sad for you, how selectively you are in what you consider success. That's fine though, you're alone in this opinion. It must cut very deep knowing that Real Madrid is the most successful and well known football institutions in the World.
I do find it ironic you bring up Franco Madrid and etc while your club is the one involved in charges of freud, and are banned from signing players.
Enjoy this little.. phase of prominence while it lasts, the chances are you guys are going right back to being in Real Madrids shadow after this crop of players retire. Look at La Masia, how many games have they lost in a row? They haven't produced anything since the class of Messi, Iniesta and Xavi. It's already over. Messi is surrounded by players nurtured by other academies.
Regardless of success the last decade has brought, Barcelona will always be Catalunya - the gypies of Spain. Even in your most prominent times, you guys do nothing but talk about Real Madrid. It's so deep in rooted in your culture that you cannot enjoy even being on top. Look at the way Pique talks in the media, after Real Madrid players come out to defend him.
He comes out and says he wishes the worst for Real Madrid.
Your Sporting Director blames Real Madrid, even when you guys act outside of the law. It's no wonder, even in your success, you're bitter.
That is what separates Real from Barcelona. It's class and professionalism. You'll never see a Real Madrid player behave and talk like that. And if he did, he would be distanced from the club as soon as possible.
Form is temporary, class is permanent.
Before you start arguing and asking where's Messi and Muller and stuff. Read what it says above each column, the overall value is based on the FEES PAID for the players. So the value of Messi for example is not included for that overall number of fees paid because Barcelona got him for almost nothing.