LVG lost to swansea at home drew sunderland 1-1 away and losing 2-O to mk dons currently. even moyes did better. i think its LVG Out time. even di maria cant help.

Seriously guys, CTFO. If LVG gets the team to play the way he WANTS them to play, there would be no way we would lose like this. Have some patience. We're just not there yet. I am still 99.99% positive we'll get top 4 this season once we get in gear and can actually play our first team with the new buys. Need I remind you guys of 07-08 where our first three games consisted of tying to Reading 0-0; tying with Portsmouth 1-1 and losing to City 1-0? In LVG we believe.

This is the reason why united fans are BIG HYPOCRITES. TheGame you said have some patience right? if so Moyes asked the fans to have patience but no you just capitalized on his errors and immediately sacked him. But when van Gaal asks for patience you united fans all agree to have patience. Could've given Moyes another season to change things THEN sack him if he didnt deliver in his second season. The same thing is happening to Gaal where he's asking for patience which will take over a year to sort things out the fans will get fidgety and asks for lvg's head.

First off, how dare you generalize about United fans? Although the overall consensus was that Moyes should be sacked, not everyone was for that. Second off, we have no reason to apologize for not wanting to have an incompetent manager who was not capable of handling a big club like United, and whose only claim to fame was a lowly division 2 title with PNE and managing to keep Everton in the top half of the table, without producing a single trophy in 11 years. The best thing to happen for Everton was Moyes leaving, as is evident by how much more attractive and productive football they were playing last season. Thirdly, are you completely oblivious to the fact that Moyes and LVG are different managers with completely different resumes and accomplishments? There is no comparison between the two. LVG has a plan and philosophy, Moyes didn't. LVG is working towards a team identity, Moyes wasn't. LVG has the respect of his players, Moyes didn't. We are actually getting decent signings in under LVG, we weren't under Moyes. I already explained that we were becoming less of a team under Moyes as the season progressed. Moyes disgraced our club by saying that we "aspire to be like City", when we won the title with the SAME players less than a year prior. Moyes was just another Wilf McGuinness. Unfortunate, but necessary to make the way for the real deal. LVG belongs here and we all believe in him, so take your hate somewhere else. And it's ok mate, you're team did not appreciate Di Maria the way we will. Your grapes are so sour, they are practically raisins ;)

LVG has a plan? If losing 2 games and drawing 1 is a " plan " to you then you sir are deluded. Moyes Can't sign world class players ? Is that why he signed Fellaini ( good player at that time ) and mata hmmmm? You simply cannot compare moyes's achievement with LVG as LVG has just managed top clubs while moyes did fantastic with low budget don't discredit moyes he got everton ucl football in 2005 and moyes's everton definitely played some beautiful football under his 11 year tenure.

give louis van gaal some time. anyway managers don;t usually take capital one cup seriously. so he has only lost one competitive game.

@spanish: Have you watched this team play last year? I'll tell you why Moyes was fired.
1) His teams had no plan except cross it a hundred times and head it.
2) He had Kagawa and brought in Mata who plays the same exact position (I love Mata, but he was not needed IMO).
3) Fellaini was good at Everton because he played #10 which Mata and Kagawa play. If you were going to buy Mata, why buy Fellaini too?
4) The key areas that needed attention were defence and midfield. Who did he buy as defenders last year? Do you recall us buying CM's last year?
5) Finally, his teams had no clue as to how to play and adapt on the field besides pass sideways or pass back. This is Manchester United and not Everton. If the best game we played after New Year was a draw against Bayern at home, that tells you something.

We did not mind Moyes loosing. But loosing with out a plan or tactics is a crime at this level of the game. I blamed LVG yesterday for not motivating players (it was a little harsh but warranted) against MK Dons, but Moyes failed to motivate his team against every opponent we played after New Years. Our record against the top 8 was 2 wins, 2 draws and 10 losses. I will bet you LVG will get some problems fixed and come December we will play an attractive game play with a decent record if not top 4...to sum it up in one sentece, LVG knows what he wants, Moyes didn't.

@ashwin: excellent answer +!

@ashwin Fellaini was panic buy at the end of the summer, I think a lot of people expected him to flop.

If someone is playing Ultimate Team on FIFA you will get my point.
Moyes probably wanted to use FIFA tactics (In Ultimate Team all you need is to cross the ball to Benteke and easy win every game)

Mark my words you'll not beat spurs, city, Arsenal , chelsea , everton, Liverpool once in the league this season . That's the reason why i said GIVE MOYES ANOTHER YEAR THEN SACK HIM IN THE SEASON AFTER IF HE FAILS AGAIN. If LVG has a "plan" ( Which he doesn't ) then why does he just sit in his chair with his arms crossed doing nothing to improve and encourage the players performance ? A good manager doesn't sit in his chair full 90 mins while a goal down.SAF used to shout at his players to motivate them while LVG just sits there like a donkey. Also what has LVG done to the defence apart from signing 2 overrated defenders? Also fellaini didn't play CAM at everton he played CDM yet scored 10+ goals in 2012/2013.

@liomessi why should'nt united care about capital 1 cup ? United aint gonna win BPL or fa cup so might aswell prioritize capital 1 cup as it's their most realistic chance of trophy but they blew it. Also they LVG lose 1 competitive game he lost 2 in capital 1 cup its a competition so its COMPETITIVE . Not only that, united have been given a very easy opening season yet LVG cant even muster 1 win against opposition hes expected to convincingly beat.

@Spanish: Moyes had no game plan. We could not give him another year, when he clearly had no vision. About LVG sitting in the chair, each coach has his own way. Mou runs along the sideline taunting the fans, Fergie used to work the refs and yell at players...its up to the coach. About signing two over rated defenders, they will be better than the thug Pepe you persist with. They are 19 and 24. So what? Its an investment for the future. As for Fellaini, he used to play whatever position Everton needed him to. He was initially deployed as a CM/CDM before being moved to CAM in his last two years there. As quickzyyy said, he was an over priced panic buy (we could have gotten him for about half the price 1 month prior). As for Capital One Cup, our priority is Top 4 this season. We do not care about Capital One Cup or the FA Cup or the EPL title. We can worry about them next season. As for opponents we failed to beat convincingly, our players lack severe fitness, and have 10 injuries of which are our starters in midfield. So, if LVG failing to beat teams convincingly using backups should not be a worry factor. We know we are playing with back ups, and its only two games into the season...

Why should united focus on top 4? Theres no chance in hell. Heck you'd be lucky to even get 7th at his rate. Moyes actually did have a plan it was just the players who never respected Moyes . You could clearly see Moyes had the team clicking when united thrashed villa 4-1 and almost eliminated bayer from the ucl. Also just because shaw and rojo are young dont make them insanely expensive . Tell me what exactly shaw achieved with Southampton and England . Rojo is coming from the worst league in Europe and had a poor world cup as messi dragged Argentina . Also dont give your shitttty excuses for injuries. RVP Rooney mata, young, herrera, jones, de gea, valencia are all capable of beating Swansea Sunderland mk don. Also fitness? Your team have a week to prepare for games as you have no European games yet you still complain about fitness ? Get a grip.

Did you watch those Liverpool games? Man City games? Chelsea games? Yes, the players did not respect Moyes, but thats up to the coach to command respect. The best way he could have done it is sell Rooney to PSG ( I love Roo), but he didn't have the balls to do it.

Before you say something about Shaw and Rojos, what exactly did Ozil achieve when you dished out the cash after one WC performance? What did Bale win before you spent 100M on him? What did Modric win? So don't tell me that you need to buy winners only. Shaw has potential, and it was clearly seen last year with Southampton. So does Rojo. Rojo did not have a poor world cup, he had a mediocre one. Albeit how many folks on that Real team had a great world cup? Besides Kroos, I do not find anyone else. Southamption is a mid table team, and they made 8th for the first time.

As for injuries, we did not have Herrera for the second game, and the team was anchored by Cleverly and Fletcher who would be back ups if Carrick and Herrera were fit. We do not dish out cash to buy players who would start in most teams. It is not United's policy, but it seems that they are headed that way. RVP was out for the first game.

LVG has been complaining about fitness since the USA tour. He clearly stated that most of the players are far below the fitness levels he expects. The two mistakes that Evans made yesterday were caused because he just returned from injury and his fitness level is not there. In fact, all 4 goals were scored from counters that started when a United defender gave the ball to MK Dons. I do not mind if we loose 2 more games and van Gaal tries to play good football. You've just lost DiMaria, now we will see how far Real goes in the league and UCL.

Do you watch EPL? The moment you included Young in that list of players, you made a complete mockery of your argument.

@spanish: uhmn, I have to completely disagree with you mate... Especially the part about Moyes, I always supported him at first, barely missed any of our matches. Every game I had to suffer from frustration and anger... except some of the CL games... not because of the result, but of the STONE AGE football that we played... no clear vision, incredibly SLOW reaction on game changes... I even found it hard to believe...

There have already been countless debate overhere of how pathetic our team were at a time. I dont say we are better now, it's too early to conclude anything. But if you were here earlier you would see the process and you will understand why we said that.

This discussion is getting hot , let me cool it down a bit

LOL @Marcus. +1

Ok this is a last one, I promise . And honestly has a lot of truth in it . Fans did abuse their arrogant behavior towards others during United reign .

@ashwin , Shaw has potential ? Hahahahaha why would you buy an overrated unexperienced LB? POTENTIAL IS FOR THE NEXT 5 OR SO YEARS are you gonna wait 5 years for an overrated LB to mature? experience is needed not potential as you need someone to do the job RIGHT NOW not in the future. We bought ozil cos he was not a teenager and even mourinho called him the worlds best #10. Herrera and carrick wont make a difference as they're both overrated and crap. Why buy an overrated Herrera when you could've bought much better CM's in kroos and fabregas who were going for even cheaper? We bought Bale cos he single handedly carried spurs with over 25 goals and modric cos he was world class already not a guy with potential for the next 5 years . Yes we've lost Maria but we still have bale cr7 James who are all capable of doing better then him.

Tuan don't blame moyes for the crap football united played. As soon as fergie saw the cracks opening in united he immediately chose to jump ship by ditching united by retiring. even with lvg as boss united are still playing the slow , predictable football just like last season . don't entirely throw all the blame on moyes you gotta blame fergie too for handing moyes such a depleted squad .

Alright guys, hope you had your fun. The discussion is going nowhere and it is filled with sidetracking. Closed.