Just wondering why BPL fans don't want other BPL teams to succeed in Champions League, when for example in Ligue 1 (& I think Bundesliga) they root for each other.
It was pretty strange (in a positive way) to see AS Monaco's and PSG's twitter accounts tweeting congratulations to each other, and also teams like St.Etienne congratulated PSG too.

I'm not 100% sure of what La Liga fans do, I think atleast Barca fans don't want RMA to succeed and the other way round, due to their rivalry.

Not going to give my opinion very deeply, but (if I forget Arsenal) I like to see teams that play great football and show big heart/fight in their games to succeed in UCL.

Just thought this is quite an interesting topic.

Poor record ? 50-50 hailed as a victory against Barça :) and yeah you're the only team in the world not having a negative record VS Barça past decade, not a positive either...
Yeah for playing style, when you pass the whole second half wasting time and kicking the ball the farest possible staying in 11 in the penalty zone, there is no shame to mock this handball style of playing...

i'd rather loose to Man utd, Bayern or lately madrid fair and square rather than the bus of 2012, the game looked like City one the ball just didnt wanted to go in....
And then hearing some cocky fans bragging for years....( that caused a domino effect )

It is poor for multibillion dollar club like Barcelona . We were always underdogs , or do you want to say otherwise ? Ofcourse Chelsea did not fear Barca but team that has one of the greatest players in history football is already a favorite to win .

Are you still mad about the way we played in 2012 ? It worked though ) Barcelona was powerhouse ( look i am giving you complement ) and Chelsea was the worst that ever graced the field in last decade , but still managed it !

There is no shame in mocking how rediculous Barca looked making 1000 passes to score two goals and all that Chelsea had to do is to make 4 passes to score their 2 )) and one pass in the first leg ) Ahh was just priceless ! It was insult to tiki taka football and Chelsea revealed it's flaws ! They did not go unnoticed by other clubs . Sort of glad that Chelsea was the fist one to hammer nail into "tiki taka " football philosophy coffin . Then Madrid finish with other nails And let Bayern to burry it . ))

'' It is poor for multibillion dollar club like Barcelona . We were always underdogs , or do you want to say otherwise ? Ofcourse Chelsea did not fear Barca but team that has one of the greatest players in history football is already a favorite to win .''

If you said this before or any Chelsea fan, there would have been no problem, at the difference everyone was claiming superiority, poor Messi, overrated team...
Now, if things were said so, i would have said that Chelsea were heroical considering they were underdogs, butdid Chelsea admit they were underdogs, never.

And Chelsea showed nothing, Inter did it VsBarça before in a previous semi-final, any team is entitled to loose, when you park the bus, there is high chanes of failing, and you take the risk admitting that open playing is impossible, there is nothing to be proud of here, and Bayern were far from parking the bus facing a weakened Barça by injuries, pairing Montoya-Bartra-Piqué with 0 experience of high level, Piquéin tourist mode.

Tiki taka isnt a tactic, and anyway no tactic is good if you dont havethe right players to, Barça were predicitble atthat time today is different, park the bus in 2015 you will see how much you get...

Past is past, lets move on, if Chelsea have no problem with Barça then Barça wont have problem with Chelsea...

Marcus I honestly didn't have a clue what you meant by saying Chelsea had taken United's spot, but whatever. Doesn't seem relevant.

I hate talking about referees because Ive always thought that only the sore losers complain constantly about refs. They can surely decide the outcome of a game but claiming a certain team had tons of help by referees in order to win tittles is beyond stupid. At least that is my point of view.

Regarding the image, I see nothing wrong with it. You cant say that rate of penalties per game is high or low because they could be circumstantial, only looking at each case individual you could argue that a ref likes to give out penalties more often. How do you know all of those penalties were undeserved?

As for the video, It was a great match. Some bad decisions by the ref, Gary Neville should have been sent of now a days probably, and you could argue he should have back then as well but you could see there were very few complains at the moment of the foul from Arsenal players. In the end the ref didn't decide the outcome of the game, Rooney's dive was a great dive that mostly any referee would give as a penalty. Later on a penalty no human could deny wasn't called on Ronaldo so you could say there is the balance of the game.

Every team has gotten a little help form the refs but only wining teams get the trashing for it. Why? Because of the sore losers who wont shut up. Same goes with Barcelona's case which people would never forget and are still complaining about. United won league tittles, it wasn't like a specific game decided on the entire tournament like in a knockout stage, but still people wont shut up because they like to justify a team winning a tournament how every they possibly can.

Well, I call PSG underdogs because Chelsea were superior on paper and in every aspect as Chelsea even was considered a candidate for winning it all. A big investment doesn't make you not-underdogs. If United played any CL team, even though they spent a bunch of money this season they will still be considered the underdogs wouldn't they?

Maybe Im miss understanding the meaning of the word, but Chelsea had the odds and everything in their favor to win the fixture. Have none of you ever supported the team who has the least amount of possibilities to go through? Almost everyone who wasn't a Chelsea fan was rooting for PSG in that fixture because of different reasons.

I dont get how the fact the red card was deserved or not would have changed the fact that PSG deserved it. They play better in the first leg and they managed to come back twice against Chelsea without their best player. If Ibra was sent off for a good reason it wouldn't take away the achievement, they were still one man down for a big part of the game. Even when that weird penalty was awarded to Chelsea they still managed to overcome ET and score that late goal.

@tuanis

Yes Chelsea also did get decisions going our way but no way do they compare to United . Fact is United were constantly getting away with heavy tackles , diving , penalties and etc you name it . Those little decision that went United way every were always piling up during season and made significant difference . And not mentioning big decisions and constant Fergusons pressures on referees . Mourinho something close to what Sir Alex always did and he got fined . Btw just out of curiosity go check FA board members and look at their backgrounds. You will be surprised , United always had someone there for support .

Anyways , it is a big topic and I am sure I won't convince you , hence you love your club dearly .

You will be backed by your United fan mates , but I will be back by 19 EPL clubs . Just walk through streets of every city of England and ask their older fans . English people remember football very well they will tell you about United's glory days and how much they despise them . United had a great team but it does not mean that they had "Glorious " and clean history of gaining those titles.

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I think you are misunderstanding underdog .

"Underdog - a competitor thought to have little chance of winning a fight or contest. "

PSG project bringing all these players was exactly NOT to be in position of underdog . If you mean that Blanc management skills vs Jose management skills as underdog then yes , I agree Blanc is underdog in his manager skills to Jose . However, as a team , player for player , PSG was not underdogs. It was equally good opponent . I said this before fixture and ofcourse I did not like the fact that we were meeting PSG .

"They play better in the first leg and they managed to come back twice against Chelsea without their best player. "

You know the funny part is that Chelsea was containing PSG quiet well before Ibra was sent off . Ibra is not their best player and he is far from that . Verrat , Cavanni i and Thiago Silva are their best players . Ibra leaving actually gave them power boost and allowed to channel attacks more effectively from the wings instead of giving it to big guy Ibra and try to work it out from the middle .

"If Ibra was sent off for a good reason it wouldn't take away the achievement, they were still one man down for a big part of the game. Even when that weird penalty was awarded to Chelsea they still managed to overcome ET and score that late goal. "

Here is my argument to fact if Ibra sent off was justified then Chelsea would have been the ones that were denied of the victory no matter what lazy performance players displayed . So here are my reasons :

Chelsea fans admitted that they deserved to go through for fighting spirit display and did not even bother to make a argument that referee realized his mistake with Ibra and through out the whole match was trying to balance it . Like how on earth David Luiz got away with elbow , diving , heavy tackling and provoking Costa constantly ended game with one just one yellow is funny . You just like others choose to ignore it . Costa was only player from Chelsea who played aggressive but not dirty .

Since we are talking about second leg , they were just as aggressive as they were in Paris . Were not you last time said that is dirty way of playing football ? Notice , i said aggressive I did not call them dirty but I think I should call them dirty because if Chelsea was just as aggressive you would have called us dirty . Here we highlight of double standard that is applied to Chelsea constantly .

I know you call Costa dirty because he constantly is on the spot light . He is not an angel but you must be very objective and watch those incidents . Like the one where David luiz runs up to him and bumps with him with heads . Why Did Luiz went up to him like that in the first place ? To provoke him ofcourse .

You most likely like the rest choose to say that Costa pushed Marquinos but did you see that little weasel was walking right at him on his path, pushing him like like he was not doing anything and played it as victim goat . Very sneaky . Fun part is PSG players know they can get away with it , because referee will not believe "evil" Costa !

Everyone calls Costa dirty but forget about Verrati tackles ! He was one of the most aggressive players ! Again not calling him dirty , but I think again I should . You only see that big tackle on Hazard which was big but then you don't notice what he was doing whole game . Pay closer attention . What about Cavanni tackles and that c*nt had nerve to complain that Hazard and other players were exaggerating , but in the end of the game was falling down like a b8tch .

You choose to ignore that PSG was very aggressive in both legs .The amount of punishment that players received especially EDEN HAZARD is ridiculous ! Ofcourse Chelsea players got angry when they saw heavy tackle on Oscar and surrounded referee , because they saw how in first leg referee allowed PSG to be kick who ever they want and already in the beginning of the match samething started to happen at the Bridge . Players were frustrated . Would not United players or any other players do the same when their mate is being tackled like that ? He tackled Oscar at Chelsea half , not in PSG zone . Why tackle some one so heavily in oppositions half ( No matter if Oscar made bigger deal of it ,or not it was a big heavy tackle and yellow was deserved , not red ) ? It only proves that PSG came out to play aggressive football .

Be honest with yourself . Be objective here . Surrounding referee and Cavanni running all the way back for an argument or push Terry ( Cavanni is lucky that Terry has class and did not dive down like Marquinos ) , PSG was doing it too !! Why should Chelsea sit back and watch ? Would not any normal team defend their players ? why do you choose to ignore it ?

You also choose to ignore that Costa was clearly cut down like a tree in first half and did not get stonewall penalty . That should have resulted in yellow for Cavanni and another for so many tackles during the game , he should have finished the match .

However , you call Thiago Silva handball as a funny penalty . Are you serious mate ? Why don't you watch replay again and read FIFA rules on handball .

You also choose to ignore Eden Hazard denied penalty after Chelsea was leading 2-1 . IT was also supposed to be red for Sirigu .

Start the video on 9:15

Am I being biased here ?

So to summarize Ibra receiving red was not good news . When I saw it I already knew that if we win this match , everyone will call us cheats and if we draw and don't qualify they will call us pathetic loosers . See the logic . You cant win . Why should Chelsea pay for the mistake of the refree who could not properly judge situation in big match ? Pressuring my a3s every big match has players pressuring referee . If He can't handle that then he should not ref .

So the question why I asked to prove a point that you are just like the rest being biased . That mistake with Ibra completely scratched off all the sins that PSG has done and all the things that referee let them get away with ! They still deserved to go through , but it does not mean that they went through with sunshine and rainbows ! DONT SUGAR COAT IT !

Watch guy who makes Objective point

Also , about back to topic supporting EPL clubs and what not . Last season we had similar thing but it was Liverpool who was happy that we were out . FA Scheduled our match 48 hours before CL match against Atletico , when Chelsea asked them multiple times to reschedule it . No . FA wanted to see Liverpool beat Chelsea . Everyone wanted Liverpool to win and was happy that Chelsea will be forced to field weaker side .

That is why Mourinho was saying " They wanted to make clowns out of Chelsea " and did not let them have it . We beat them . So , See this is the kind of support Chelsea receives from media , Fa and fans in Europe.

Well in all honesty you seem a little biased with your arguments, claiming those penalties and over analyzing Ibra's red card and its possible outcomes if it had gone down differently. Both teams played rough, its a sport after all and people shouldn't be complaining that much about one team or the other playing as if it was a knockout stage of the champions league...

" Why should Chelsea pay for the mistake of the referee who could not properly judge situation in big match ?"

they shouldn't, no team should ever pay for those mistakes, and as I just told you, I dont judge teams by referring mistakes. How is this different from United's or Barcelona's case? Only haters would know. Some referees cant handle certain matches and that is very normal, refereeing is hard and bad calls are made every day.

Your Chelsea is hated by everyone and there is a complot against them theory is very farfetched. That is all Im going to say because I dont want this to go on forever. Chelsea has had their help from referees as any other team has.

to summarize, everyone had their reasons to root for PSG in that specific fixture, that doesnt mean people hate Chelsea on a daily basis. In my case, I like PSG and I like supporting the team that seems to have the least probability to go through. If fe Chelsea had faced Bayern (would you call Chelsea the underdogs?) I would have rooted for Chelsea. Same if they had to go against RM or Barcelona.

I am not trying to take away anything from PSG . It is a done match . PSG deserved it . And I stated many times , with ref given to Ibra , I lost all desire for Chelsea to progress and in the way I am glad and upset . Upset because referees mistake spoiled big match . It was supposed to be 11 on 11 . If Chelsea would have won and progressed we would have been demonized and we did not progress , we are still demonized and mocked . Fact is a lot of people ignore that referee whole game did try to balance his mistake . Like you said it should never happen to any club. Doing one wrong to fix another does not make it right .

• Both teams played rough, its a sport after all and people shouldn't be complaining that much about one team or the other playing as if it was a knockout stage of the champions league... *

Exactly it is champions league . Players want to win . Then why make Costa as scape goat and paint whole Chelsea with same brush due to one player ? Costa plays exactly same kind of football that Roy Keane played or Eric Cantona . No one liked Roy Keane everyone thought he was too aggressive player just like Eric Cantona .

Now due to media , It came to the point that no one believes Costa when he is fouled . Referees are brushing him off as BS . What happens later to Costa he gets mad and takes justice in his own hands by playing more aggressive ! Ofcourse there is a line but he got punished for it . And I believe it was sufficient because everything else like a push was completely him being provoked by Brazilians who sure know how to push buttons of one of their own . Same kind of Pushes Cavanni allowed himself against Chelsea players , but yet our guys did not fall down on the floor like b8tch Marquinos did .

All i wanted to know is Why has no one noticed that PSG played very aggressively especially after that red ? and ReFEREE Allowed them . Everyone sees Costa , and close their eyes on several PSG players out of whom at least one should have been sent off instead of Ibrahimovic. It is bias and double standard attitude . If anyone is being objective then they need to be fully objective and highlight everything that happened during that match . What caused what and who was hero and villain . .

As far as underdogs obviously you have your definition that you strongly believe in . I have mine and PSG was no where near being underdog . PSG players themselves said so in their interviews . But then what would they know , they are just footballers.

"Everyone sees Costa , and close their eyes on several PSG players out of whom at least one should have been sent off instead of Ibrahimovic"

Who deserved red card? Everyone on the world sees a Costa is a total ...... on the pitch. And you're even wondering? I know you are Chelsea fan and see that a bit less, but cmon..

Hi, first of all I am supporter of the Barcelona from the Kluivert, Saviola era. But I really do not understand hatered of the some fans of both Barca and RM: swering and making some abnoxious statements, going far beyond. It is always better to make nice discussions on the game, tell the truth, look from different angles etc. Isn't it what makes you happy, why sh''''t somebody? Personally, I support Real Madrid also in CL, first of all I want strong Barca and strong RM. Because, without strong each other they will not become stronger. Now with A.Madrid qualifying too it shows how much strong is LaLiga which is good! I really hope Valencia will do well too next year. Without strong teams likes of Barca and RM and now AM (because it learned to play against such big teams) CL won't be interesting, wouldn't you agree?

@quikzy

i will repeat myself who deserved red more than Costa : David Luiz deserved red card . Verrati for his heavy tackles should have accumulated to red card , Cavanni should have seen red card with accumulated yellows. Referee should have given Cavanni straight red for that stone wall penalty preventing goal scoring opportunity for Costa . Lets be objective if Costa had to go then all the above had to go as well and were much better candidates to leave . Referee was very lenient after Ibra's red on everyone but he was way more lenient on PSG players .

Everyone based of his Atletico experience . He has not spit on anyone since , he has dived since , he is been aggressive player , yes and exactly what we want from him . He is tempered and opposition players know that they constantly provoke him during matches and referee just DONT BELIEVE COSTA . No one does . Yeah he is at fault for his past Atletico reputation , but at Chelsea he has been building different image .

However, Media keeps brushing him with a same atletico brush since day one !! What kind of c8nt move is this ?

and fans just mostly go with what media says . If media all of sudden starts to praise Costa every week , I am sure same people will eventually change their opinion of him .

quikzy in all honesty you would wish Giroud was at least half of Costa is on the pitch . At least have the Costa's fighting spirit . He is old school and thrives on players who anger him drives team to victory .

Well Said John, but we're not natives and thats the difference... I actually think like you since Mou left.

Marcus didnt want to go through fearing to be demonized, Epic :D If Chelsea went through, you would have been the happiest guy on the forum dont lie like this no one would believe you...

And actually who cares about Chelsea now, they are out of the race, so go concentrate on the '' best League in the world at the moment '' :) Lord PL.

Marcus yeah a ref will give 6 red cards to the same team in a CL game, sometimes you go full retard specially while talking about Chelsea...

Move on, you got ass kicked fair and square, come back next year.