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Dynastian98
10 years ago
@Chelsea8
" i'm not bias hazard is better than any other player except messi."
Hilariously contradictory. So there are still children on FootyRoom. At least Marcus and KTBFFHSWE back up their opinions with facts.
chelsea8
10 years ago
Edited
@dynastian first of al marcus and ktbff already said everything so there was no need for me to prove my point and by the way who is the kid here who always crys when somebody says something about real or ronaldo.
Even if we show you guys some facts you guys still don't understand, that's why i don't even bother to try to explain my opinion :)
@dynastian first of al marcus and ktbff already said everything so there was no need for me to prove my point and by the wat who is the kid here who always crys when somebody says that something about real or ronaldo.
Even if we show you guys some facts you guys still don't understand, that's why i don't even bother to try to explain my opinion :)
Dynastian98
10 years ago
@Chelsea8
No, you don't bother to explain your opinion because you know it's false. Hazard better than Ronaldo? Please, where was Hazard in the Ballon d'Or ceremony? My point exactly.
PS. Other Chelsea fans please stay out of this. I am not dissing Hazard or your club, just who claims Hazard is better than Ronaldo.
RealMadrid17
10 years ago
@KTB Because Modric plays much further deep? Honestly... Modric is good because of his passing and the fact he barely ever looses the ball... Maybe compare Modric's pass completion with Hazard's, or his goal scoring ratio? Modric's is higher...
RealMadrid17
10 years ago
Hazard better than any player other than Messi? I might as well delete my footyroom account... No point being in the same community as someone who thinks Hazard is better than Ronaldo...
RealMadrid17
10 years ago
@Chelsea8
You want stats or facts?
Ronaldo more titles and goals than Hazard. Also more individual awards... Done
rayrex7
10 years ago
Hazard Is without a doubt an amazing player and a future ballon d or hholder, but calm down guys, he is just 24 he has many years and can still improve, but making him in the top 3? Maybe it's a bit biased cause there are many players that are similar or even better, Comparing Modric to hazard is pathetic, if anything Hazard should be compared to di maria, Pogba, Reus or Pogba, cause Modric is in another level in terms of midfield quality, In fact I make him Madrids most important player alongside ronaldo, the difference is Modric makes the whole team look amazing, Hazard cant, Modric can control every bit of the play style, I'm sorry but in my opinion Modric>Hazard any day, Modric is so good that he's compared to iniesta, Hazard maybe in the next 2,3.years but he's still young so calm down and have faith in him
RealMadrid17
10 years ago
Couldn't agree more @Rayrex7 you literally read my mind.... Any true football fan will agree.
Dynastian98
10 years ago
Thought this might be enjoyable for some.
chelsea8
10 years ago
@dynastian why do you start talking about ronaldo, i said that marcus and ktbff already proved my point
@realmadrid the stats that marcus and ktbbf showed were facts and i'm talking about this season so i don't care what ronaldo has achieved in the past and scoring only goals doesn't mean that ronaldo is the best and this season he only tries to score but he lacks in defending in creating chances and dribbling.
tiki_taka
10 years ago
Dynastian98
10 years ago
@Chelsea8
As a matter of fact, it was you who initially began Ronaldo vs. Hazard when you said " *i'm not bias *hazard is better than any other player except messi.". That's asking for an argument against yourself.
As far as I'm concerned, Marcus was trying to convey that Hazard is a Top 10 player, and KTB was trying to convey that Hazard should be judged as the 3rd best player in the world. Those aren't ludicrous claims; they make sense. Whereas your ignorance bleeds through the page when you claimed only Messi to be superior to Hazard, barring any "bias". Hilariously sad.
If you want to see how well Hazard really did in 2014, then why don't you look at this?
Yep, these are the Ballon d'Or votes. If Hazard really was the second-best-to-only-Messi player you claim him to be, then you can be sure that there aren't many lunatics who believe the same thing.
RealMadrid17
10 years ago
@Chelsea8 Ronaldo doesn't need to defend. It isn't his role... It depends on the player role and what the manager wants him to do... What don't you get. Ronaldo > Hazard, you're a fool to think otherwise... If you're gonna respond with the same bullshit then just please dont... Cba with this
chelsea8
10 years ago
Edited
yes ronaldo was the best player LAST SEASON but this season and at this moment ronaldo is not the best and i don't know why at the moment you think he is better than hazard. Once AGAIN i'm talking about now (THIS SEASON) and at the moment i think hazard is better than ronaldo and my fellow chelsea fans showed that hazard is at the moment second best player behind the great messi. Now go cry me a river.
Damn real fanboys bring stupiditu to a whole new level, yes ronaldo was the best player LAST SEASON but this season and at this moment ronaldo is not the best and i don't why at the moment you cry babies think he is better than hazard. Once AGAIN i'm talking about now (THIS SEASON) and at the moment i think hazard is better than ronaldo and my fellow chelsea fans showed that hazard is at the moment second best player behind the great messi. Now go cry me a river girls.
RealMadrid17
10 years ago
Edited
This season? You mean 4 games or so in 2015... He's scored 30+ goals this season and also has more assists than Hazard... Hazard was 21st last season... One doesn't go from 21st to 2nd in less than one season, let alone Hazard. I'm pretty sure you're 12-15 or so... Honestly, comparing Hazard to Ronaldo should be a life sentence in jail. What even is this? What am I even arguing to such nonsense? I should just laugh...
But just for the heck of it, lets compare some of their aspects.
Speed - Ronaldo
Dribbling - Hazard
Passing - Hazard
Shooting - Ronaldo
Heading - Ronaldo
Scoring - Ronaldo
Defending - Hazard
Weak foot - Ronaldo
Passing is debatable, but I'll give it to Hazard so I dont get any Chelsea fan boys attacking me.
Also, Calling us "girls" or "crybabies" just shows how immature you are. Honestly grow up kid. This is a community for mature people, not childs like you...
This season? You mean 4 games or so in 2015... He's scored 30+ goals this season and also has more assists than Hazard... Hazard was 21st last season... One doesn't go from 21st to 2nd in less than one season, let alone Hazard. I'm pretty sure you're 12-15 or so... Honestly, comparing Hazard to Ronaldo should be a life sentence in jail. What even is this? What am I even arguing to such nonsense? I should just laugh...
But just for the heck of it, lets compare some of their aspects.
Speed - Ronaldo
Dribbling - Hazard
Passing - Hazard
Shooting - Ronaldo
Heading - Ronaldo
Scoring - Ronaldo
Defending - Hazard
Weak foot - Ronaldo
Passing is debatable, but I'll give it to Hazard so I dont get any Chelsea fan boys attacking me.
Also, Calling us "girls" or "crybabies" just shows how immature you are. Honestly grow up kid. This is a community for mature people, not childs like you...
This season? You mean 4 games or so in 2015... He's scored 30+ goals this season and also has almost the same assists than Hazard... Hazard was 21st last season... One doesn't go from 21st to 2nd in less than one season, let alone Hazard. I'm pretty sure you're 12-15 or so... Honestly, comparing Hazard to Ronaldo should be a life sentence in jail. What even is this? What am I even arguing to such nonsense? I should just laugh...
But just for the heck of it, lets compare some of their aspects.
Speed - Ronaldo
Dribbling - Hazard
Passing - Hazard
Shooting - Ronaldo
Heading - Ronaldo
Scoring - Ronaldo
Defending - Hazard
Weak foot - Ronaldo
Passing is debatable, but I'll give it to Hazard so I dont get any Chelsea fan boys attacking me.
Also, Calling us "girls" or "crybabies" just shows how immature you are. Honestly grow up kid. This is a community for mature people, not childs like you...
KTBFFHSWE
10 years ago
Well, I agree with Dynastian in the above posts. At least he tries to be objective about this discussion. It is hard not to be biased but once again I try to back up my claims with hard facts. Ronaldo and Messi are both on a completely other level than any other player atm. This is my personal opinion, most sport journalist opinion, most people on footyrooms opinion and is supported ONCE AGAIN by the stats. At the moment, there are no players that are even close to them according to the overall stats even though there will be players that are better on certain independent stats.. Which goes without saying.
As I stated previously, I think it's rather stupid to rank players in different positions as it is VERY hard to do because of the different roles on the pitch the players have. However, I did argue for Hazard being #3 in the world because the stats said so (Yes I trust OptaSports way more than even the most knowledgeable of you guys as it isn't biased at all). However, when I claimed this, it was mainly a response on everyone jumping in this thread claiming that Hazard was nowhere near the top.
For example now when rayrex7 jumps in and says "Comparing Modric to hazard is pathetic...cause Modric is in another level in terms of midfield quality" without backing it up with anything at all. Because it is simply not true as I have tried to explain in numerous posts above (Have you even read them?) and that statement won't change my mind. The only reason given was because he rated him the most important player along side Ronaldo in Madrid? That's not a good enough reason. On that note, Hazard is without a doubt the most important player in Chelsea and the motor from where most balls go through in the attack.
This doesn't mean that Modric in this case isn't an excellent player, because he really is. But remember that I've never said that 'Modric is nowhere near Hazard' or 'Hazard is way better than that guy' or something else rather provoking. Back your shit up before you open your mouth. If it's good, then you're right, otherwise you're not.
Basically what I'm trying to say is that Hazard is under-rated and that I'm sick of people claiming someone else is better than that guy because of no reasons at all. Please back your statements up and then I (and everyone else) will be listening to you.
BTW, the stats from whoscored are all based on opta stats (Dynastians picture). As are most other stats shown anywhere.
shpalman
10 years ago
Edited
@KTBFFHSWE & chelsea8
"Many other players have better goal and assist stats, but you, if anyone, know that isn't the final measure of a players qualities."
^ is not that just goal and assist stats aren't the final measure of players qualities, all the stats aren't the final measure of players qualities.
stats are indeed a very useful tool, but they need to be used correctly, and when i say correctly it means a whole universe of things that aren't just 2 category clicks on a whatever stat website, at least when it comes to cross-compare players who perform in different leagues. granted that you chose the right attributes for the comparison, you can make those stats you posted viable and useful for a comparison vs other players within' the same league. no more than that, unless you want to go full math&formulas mode, which still would end being not accurate. the Squawka stats you posted, besides the bad fact that they compare players from different leagues, they are even based on wrong attributes, therefore turning the whole thing into, pass me the term, bollocks.
1st of all, what does it bring to compare Hazard vs players who play in different leagues and in different positions? it's nonsense. 2nd, what does it bring to compare players on the basis of their total game time regardless if a player played 1 or 2000 mins? here again, nonsense. let me prove it to you.
these are the stats you posted: http://goo.gl/KdlOQL
let's start with changing the totals with the more appropriate per 90min: http://goo.gl/HPbMz8
holy shitballs Giovinco > Ronaldo & Hazard!1one!! despite choosing a more opportune attribute, we still are in the nonsense domain :)
let's get a bit more real and change also the all player positions attribute into midfielders: http://goo.gl/belSQg
Fetfatzidis > Hazard & Yaya Toure brah... here too, still nonsense despite the fact we switched into the right category of players :)
wow, do you see that? by using the stat tool properly comes out that Adel Taarabt actually has better stats than Eden Hazard, therefore being the best of the EPL in that role... but, is it really like that?
using your same logic, properly, we came to that^ conclusion above. but still, is it the proper way to judge a the value and the quality of a football player? (rhetoric question)
Hazard is a brilliant player, in this current season looks like he also accepted Mourinho's advices so he's improving on his defensive contribution to the team, therefore developing into a more complete player. i think you'd just be better off enjoying his football without dragging yourselves into arguments and comparisons which, at the present state of things, result in being improbable.
also, avoid the name calling, thanks.
@KTBFFHSWE & chelsea8
"Many other players have better goal and assist stats, but you, if anyone, know that isn't the final measure of a players qualities."
^ is not that just goal and assist stats aren't the final measure of players qualities, all the stats aren't the final measure of players qualities.
stats are indeed a very useful tool, but they need to be used correctly, and when i say correctly it means a whole universe of things that aren't just 2 category clicks on a whatever stat website, at least when it comes to cross-compare players who perform in different leagues. granted that you chose the right attributes for the comparison, you can make those stats you posted viable and useful for a comparison vs other players within' the same league. no more than that, unless you want to go full math&formulas mode, which stil would end being not accurate. the Squawka stats you posted, besides the bad fact that they compare players from different leagues, they are even based on wrong attributes, therefore turning the whole thing into, pass me the term, bollocks.
1st of all, what does it bring to compare Hazard vs players who play in different leagues and in different positions? it's nonsense. 2nd, what does it bring to compare players on the basis of their total game time regardless if a player played 1 match or 20? here again, nonsense. let me prove it to you.
these are the stats you posted: http://goo.gl/KdlOQL
let's start with changing the totals with the more appropriate per 90: http://goo.gl/HPbMz8
holy shitballs Giovinco > Ronaldo & Hazard!1one!! despite choosing a more opportune attribute, we still are in the nonsense domain :)
let's get a bit more real and change also the all player positions attribute into midfielders: http://goo.gl/belSQg
Fetfatzidis > Hazard & Yaya Toure brah... here too, still nonsense despite the fact we switched into the right category of players :)
wow, do you see that? by using the stat tool properly comes out that Adel Taarabt actually has better stats than Eden Hazard. but, is it really like that?
using your same logic, properly, we came to that^ conclusion above. but still, is it the proper way to judge a the value and the quality of a football player? (rhetoric question)
Hazard is a brilliant player, in this current season looks like he also accepted Mourinho's advices so he's improving on his defensive contribution to the team, therefore developing into a more complete player. i think you'd just be better off enjoying his football without dragging yourselves into arguments and comparisons which, at the present state of things, result in being improbable.
also, avoid the name calling, thanks.
@KTBFFHSWE & chelsea8
"Many other players have better goal and assist stats, but you, if anyone, know that isn't the final measure of a players qualities."
^ is not that just goal and assist stats aren't the final measure of players qualities, all the stats aren't the final measure of players qualities.
stats are indeed a very useful tool, but they need to be used correctly, and when i say correctly it means a whole universe of things that aren't just 2 category clicks on a whatever stat website, at least when it comes to cross-compare players who perform in different leagues. granted that you chose the right attributes for the comparison, you can make those stats you posted viable and useful for a comparison vs other players within' the same league. no more than that, unless you want to go full math&formulas mode, which stil would end being not accurate. the Squawka stats you posted, besides the bad fact that they compare players from different leagues, they are even based on wrong attributes, therefore turning the whole thing into, pass me the term, bollocks.
1st of all, what does it bring to compare Hazard vs players who play in different leagues and in different positions? it's nonsense. 2nd, what does it bring to compare players on the basis of their total game time regardless if a player played 1 match or 20? here again, nonsense. let me prove it to you.
these are the stats you posted: http://goo.gl/KdlOQL
let's start with changing the totals with the more appropriate per 90: http://goo.gl/HPbMz8
holy shitballs Giovinco > Ronaldo & Hazard!1one!! despite choosing a more opportune attribute, we still are in the nonsense domain :)
let's get a bit more real and change also the all player positions attribute into midfielders: http://goo.gl/belSQg
Fetfatzidis > Hazard & Yaya Toure brah... here too, still nonsense despite the fact we switched into the right category of players :)
wow, do you see that? by using the stat tool properly comes out that Adel Taarabt actually has better stats than Eden Hazard. but, is it really like that?
using your same logic, properly, we came to that^ conclusion above. but still, is it the proper way to judge a the value and the quality of a football player? (rhetoric question)
Hazard is a brilliant player, in this current season looks like he also accepted Mourinho's advices so he's improving on his defensive contribution to the team, therefore developing into a more complete player. i think you'd just be better off enjoying his football without dragging yourselves into arguments and comparisons which, at the present state of things, result in being improbable.
also, avoid the name calling, thanks.
@KTBFFHSWE & chelsea8
"Many other players have better goal and assist stats, but you, if anyone, know that isn't the final measure of a players qualities."
^ is not that just goal and assist stats aren't the final measure of players qualities, all the stats aren't the final measure of players qualities.
stats are indeed a very useful tool, but they need to be used correctly, and when i say correctly it means a whole universe of things that aren't just 2 category clicks on a whatever stat website, at least when it comes to cross-compare players who perform in different leagues. granted that you chose the right attributes for the comparison, you can make those stats you posted viable and useful for a comparison vs other players within' the same league. no more than that, unless you want to go full math&formulas mode, which stil would end being not accurate. the Squawka stats you posted, besides the bad fact that they compare players from different leagues, they are even based on wrong attributes, therefore turning the whole thing into, pass me the term, bollocks.
1st of all, what does it bring to compare Hazard vs players who play in different leagues and in different positions? it's nonsense. 2nd, what does it bring to compare players on the basis of their total game time regardless if a player played 1 or 2000 mins? here again, nonsense. let me prove it to you.
these are the stats you posted: http://goo.gl/KdlOQL
let's start with changing the totals with the more appropriate per 90: http://goo.gl/HPbMz8
holy shitballs Giovinco > Ronaldo & Hazard!1one!! despite choosing a more opportune attribute, we still are in the nonsense domain :)
let's get a bit more real and change also the all player positions attribute into midfielders: http://goo.gl/belSQg
Fetfatzidis > Hazard & Yaya Toure brah... here too, still nonsense despite the fact we switched into the right category of players :)
wow, do you see that? by using the stat tool properly comes out that Adel Taarabt actually has better stats than Eden Hazard. but, is it really like that?
using your same logic, properly, we came to that^ conclusion above. but still, is it the proper way to judge a the value and the quality of a football player? (rhetoric question)
Hazard is a brilliant player, in this current season looks like he also accepted Mourinho's advices so he's improving on his defensive contribution to the team, therefore developing into a more complete player. i think you'd just be better off enjoying his football without dragging yourselves into arguments and comparisons which, at the present state of things, result in being improbable.
also, avoid the name calling, thanks.
@KTBFFHSWE & chelsea8
"Many other players have better goal and assist stats, but you, if anyone, know that isn't the final measure of a players qualities."
^ is not that just goal and assist stats aren't the final measure of players qualities, all the stats aren't the final measure of players qualities.
stats are indeed a very useful tool, but they need to be used correctly, and when i say correctly it means a whole universe of things that aren't just 2 category clicks on a whatever stat website, at least when it comes to cross-compare players who perform in different leagues. granted that you chose the right attributes for the comparison, you can make those stats you posted viable and useful for a comparison vs other players within' the same league. no more than that, unless you want to go full math&formulas mode, which stil would end being not accurate. the Squawka stats you posted, besides the bad fact that they compare players from different leagues, they are even based on wrong attributes, therefore turning the whole thing into, pass me the term, bollocks.
1st of all, what does it bring to compare Hazard vs players who play in different leagues and in different positions? it's nonsense. 2nd, what does it bring to compare players on the basis of their total game time regardless if a player played 1 or 2000 mins? here again, nonsense. let me prove it to you.
these are the stats you posted: http://goo.gl/KdlOQL
let's start with changing the totals with the more appropriate per 90: http://goo.gl/HPbMz8
holy shitballs Giovinco > Ronaldo & Hazard!1one!! despite choosing a more opportune attribute, we still are in the nonsense domain :)
let's get a bit more real and change also the all player positions attribute into midfielders: http://goo.gl/belSQg
Fetfatzidis > Hazard & Yaya Toure brah... here too, still nonsense despite the fact we switched into the right category of players :)
wow, do you see that? by using the stat tool properly comes out that Adel Taarabt actually has better stats than Eden Hazard. but, is it really like that?
using your same logic, properly, we came to that^ conclusion above. but still, is it the proper way to judge a the value and the quality of a football player? (rhetoric question)
Hazard is a brilliant player, in this current season looks like he also accepted Mourinho's advices so he's improving on his defensive contribution to the team, therefore developing into a more complete player. i think you'd just be better off enjoying his football without dragging yourselves into arguments and comparisons which, at the present state of things, result in being improbable.
also, avoid the name calling, thanks.
chelsea8
10 years ago
@realmadrid so what kane from tottenham scored more goals than robben so does that mean he is better? Hell no
shpalman
10 years ago
@chelsea8,
you didn't read my comment did you? at least the last line, you should read that.
RealMadrid17
10 years ago
@Chelsea8 Like I said, I'm not going to waste my time arguing to such nonsense... Have a good day.
Eden Hazard has today signed a new five-and-a-half-year contract with Chelsea.
The club’s Player of the Year has continued his excellent form this season, scoring 13 times in 36 appearances and helping us to the top of the Barclays Premier League.
'I am very happy to sign a new contract with Chelsea,' Hazard said. 'Since I came here in 2012 I have always felt good and the club has been very supportive to me.
'The manager has helped me improve a lot, the fans have been fantastic and I have an amazing understanding with my team-mates.
'I always try to give pleasure to the supporters with my style of play and it is nice to know they appreciate my work.
'I hope we can repay that support by winning lots of trophies, beginning with the Capital One Cup at Wembley, and after that, we can push hard towards the end of the season.’
Jose Mourinho added: ‘I am very happy that Eden has signed a new contract. It shows he believes in the club’s coaching staff and players to help him become the best player in the world.
'He is already a top player and his evolution has been fantastic. He is still very young and he can become the best.’
Widely regarded as one of the most dangerous attackers in world football, Hazard, 24, has completed more dribbles and suffered more fouls than any other player in the league this season, drawing praise for his sporting manner as well as his technical ability.
The Belgian, pictured above with club director Marina Granovskaia, arrived at Stamford Bridge in 2012 and has since made a total 147 appearances for the Blues, scoring 43 goals.
Hazard was voted Chelsea’s Player of the Year by the club’s supporters for the 2013/14 campaign following an exhilarating second season in west London. He finished as our top goalscorer, netting 17 in all competitions, before representing his country at their first World Cup since 2002. He also lifted the Europa League in his first season as a Chelsea player.
Eden Hazard has today signed a new five-and-a-half-year contract with Chelsea.
The club’s Player of the Year has continued his excellent form this season, scoring 13 times in 36 appearances and helping us to the top of the Barclays Premier League.
'I am very happy to sign a new contract with Chelsea,' Hazard said. 'Since I came here in 2012 I have always felt good and the club has been very supportive to me.
'The manager has helped me improve a lot, the fans have been fantastic and I have an amazing understanding with my team-mates.
'I always try to give pleasure to the supporters with my style of play and it is nice to know they appreciate my work.
'I hope we can repay that support by winning lots of trophies, beginning with the Capital One Cup at Wembley, and after that, we can push hard towards the end of the season.’
Jose Mourinho added: ‘I am very happy that Eden has signed a new contract. It shows he believes in the club’s coaching staff and players to help him become the best player in the world.
'He is already a top player and his evolution has been fantastic. He is still very young and he can become the best.’
Widely regarded as one of the most dangerous attackers in world football, Hazard, 24, has completed more dribbles and suffered more fouls than any other player in the league this season, drawing praise for his sporting manner as well as his technical ability.
The Belgian, pictured above with club director Marina Granovskaia, arrived at Stamford Bridge in 2012 and has since made a total 147 appearances for the Blues, scoring 43 goals.
Hazard was voted Chelsea’s Player of the Year by the club’s supporters for the 2013/14 campaign following an exhilarating second season in west London. He finished as our top goalscorer, netting 17 in all competitions, before representing his country at their first World Cup since 2002. He also lifted the Europa League in his first season as a Chelsea player.