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Dynastian98
10 years ago
@KTBFFHSWE
"And, once again, I think your negative approach towards Chelsea affect your opinions here. Not consistent? Not a game-changer? Please, he's very much both. Especially this year, he has been very very consistent. On a completely other level than past years."
If that's the case, then I'll take your word for it. I'll keep a sharper eye out for him and start watching some more Chelsea games then. Thanks for informing me.
tiki_taka
10 years ago
''( Football is played on the pitch, TV shares doesnt win you games, Atletico Madrid can teach you some about it. I heard about the 7 billion budget, they want to make EPL kind of NBA, okay but dont expect small teams to attract big players just because they will have cash, English top 4-8 teams strugled to attract top players while having a lot of cash and got their best players gone to where you know.
PSG got arab money before FFP, they spent hundreds on millions but were forced to overpay and had limitted atractivity despite signing Zlatan, dont think that any World class player would prefer Southampton or Hull because they have more money, and im pretty sure Spanish Giants would be there if not a step more so no problem, but at the moment the level isnt that incredible, Spain is above at the moment imo.
Until PL teams proove any strenght on the pitch, the best level league is elsewhere, entertaining ? Maybe but i prefer talking about Football quality not about the mainstream hype. ) ''
For Hazard, he is doing great and been consistent, there is high chances for him to be the best PL player of the moment, but i actually cant give an opinion about his real value, he still needs to climb to the last level of achievers, if he wins CL and have a big contribution in the crucial games then yes, he can claim to individual silverwares...
The way he protects the ball is amazing, loves to stop the ball and create like Ronaldinho or Ibra, sharp enough but i think if he could work more on his stats despite Mou tactics that doesnt favourise him to score much, i think he could be scoring more if he was a City player.
Dynastian98
10 years ago
^ His finishing has always been a critical point in his skill set. If he had that Ronaldo-esque deadly finishing in front of net, he'd be 3rd best, no doubt about that.
KTBFFHSWE
10 years ago
@Dynastian98
Appreciate the reply. You can check it up yourself. Google Squawka Comparison Matrix which is based on the optajoe statistics. Optajoe also rate his defensive capabilities higher than most others in attacking positions, and I must assume that when we have a discussion like this, the overall qualities of the player should be accounted for. But then again, that might be because of Mourinhos rather defensive tactics sometimes.
Many other players have better goal and assist stats, but you, if anyone, know that isn't the final measure of a players qualities. Besides the stats, my personal opinion is that he's a very technical skilled player and personally I tend to rank players like that higher.
But check him up further with an open eye and decide for yourself.
KTBFFHSWE
10 years ago
@tika Yes, obviously Mous tactics play a huge part in his goal and assist tally. He's got another role in Chelsea now, which many people fail to see (see my above post). He can still better his finishing touch though but the overall qualities of this player are amazing and as I try to prove, people tend to rank him lower than he deserves. I mean comparing Modric to Hazard.. Comeon..
The squawka ranking and the EA Sports player performance index should provide a hint on his qualities. And I'm sure that if he maintains form and ever gets sold (which he hopefully won't be), it would be for a ridiculous amount.
RealMadrid17
10 years ago
Marcus... No one ever said Hazard isn't top 10... And Kroos and Hazard are different type of players, but Kroos is a more consistent player... Aguero is better than Hazard, no doubt about it... Injuries are the only reason Hazard is even clos to Aguero... Robben is 10 times what Hazard is as well...
RealMadrid17
10 years ago
I love Hazard. One of my favorite players outside of Madrid (mainly because I can really associate my play style with his, and I always learn from him) but I REALLY don't think he's top 3 players in the world. Thats all I'm saying, not saying he's overrated, or bad, or what ever. Simply, he isn't top 3 players in the world, and I'm sure 99% of football fans would agree.
Tuanis
10 years ago
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Ooh he is top 3 now? Ever since he signed new contract and dreams of him leaving Chelsea to Madrid are gone . He is now considered top 3. OK ...
Great player, one of Chelsea's biggest assets but arguably not in the top 10. Maybe top 10 forwards in the world, and could even be among the top 3 wingers in EPL; probably top 2 in Chelsea..
Ooh he is top 3 now? Ever since he signed new contract and dreams of him leaving Chelsea to Madrid are gone . He is now considered top 3. OK ...
Great player, one of Chelsea's biggest assets but arguably not in the top 10. Maybe top 10 strikers and could even be among the top 3 wingers.
Aiden_Finland
10 years ago
Loyalty level 99 Good decision
AlexBatak
10 years ago
Guys guys.. for Chelsea fans that said Hazard is 3rd best or 10th best stop fooling yourselves seriously... Hazard is the best player of all time at his position... ;)
bluezz
10 years ago
there's rumours that the pen he used cost 700$ lol so jose wasn't joking
KTBFFHSWE
10 years ago
Edited
Doesn't anyone read my posts..? It's your personal opinions, the stats say something else..
ONCE AGAIN:
#1 in EA sports performance Index (BPL): http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/players/ea-sports-player-performance-index.html
#3 in Optajoe/Squawka stats ranking: http://www.squawka.com/football-player-rankings#performance-score#player-stats#top-5-european-leagues|season-2014/2015#all-teams#all-player-positions#16#44#0#0#90#08/08/2014#13/02/2015#season#1#all-matches#total#desc#total
As you can see Robben is in 4th spot^. Amazing player as well. 10 times as good as Hazard? pff..
HAZARD NUMBER #3 BECAUSE OF HIS DEFENSIVE ABILITIES AS WELL AS HIS ATTACKING ABILITIES.
Further more, Hazard has MORE successful passes, HIGHER pass completion, MORE key passes AND CHANCES CREATED than any of the players anyone have mentioned in this thread.
Comparing Modric to him is ridiculous, because everyone should know that. Comparing a defensive midfielder like Kroos to him is ridiculous.
@real Regarding Aguero.. Even though he scores a lot more goals (0.8 average per game with average 4,40 shots compared to Hazards 0,36 average goals with 2,08 shots per game). This is BECAUSE scoring is the MAIN reason Aguero is on the pitch while Hazard fills other purposes. FOR EXAMPLE Hazard has 2,48 key passes per game compared to Agueros 0,80. Big difference there, huh? Furthermore Hazard has more than twice the successful passes per game than Aguero because of their different roles on the pitch (47,52>17,65).
Lastly, please, PLEASE compare their technical abilities. Let me hear what you come up with.
@Tuanis Could be among the top 3 wingers in BPL? Please back it up with hard facts.
ONCE AGAIN, this is not me making things up. It's based on hard stats. How do you back up your claims? You don't. It supposedly can't be true because he just signed a new contract? Please. I'm willing to listen to you as long as you back up your claims, because without facts it's just an opinion and even though you're entitled to your opinions they don't weigh much in the context.
Doesn't anyone read my posts..? It's your personal opinions, the stats say something else..
ONCE AGAIN:
#1 in EA sports performance Index (BPL): http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/players/ea-sports-player-performance-index.html
#3 in Optajoe/Squawka stats ranking: http://www.squawka.com/football-player-rankings#performance-score#player-stats#top-5-european-leagues|season-2014/2015#all-teams#all-player-positions#16#44#0#0#90#08/08/2014#13/02/2015#season#1#all-matches#total#desc#total
As you can see Robben is in 4th spot^. Amazing player as well.
HAZARD NUMBER #3 BECAUSE OF HIS DEFENSIVE ABILITIES AS WELL AS HIS ATTACKING ABILITIES.
Further more, Hazard has MORE successful passes, HIGHER pass completion, MORE key
passes AND CHANCES CREATED than any of the players anyone have mentioned
in this thread.
Comparing Modric to him is ridiculous, because everyone should know that. Comparing a defender like Kroos to him is ridiculous.
@real Saying that Aguero is 10 times the player as him is ridiculous. BECAUSE even though he scores a lot more goals (0.8 average per game with average 4,40 shots compared to Hazards 0,36 average goals with 2,08 shots per game). This is BECAUSE scoring is the MAIN reason Aguero is on the pitch while Hazard fills other purposes. FOR EXAMPLE Hazard has 2,48 key passes per game compared to Agueros 0,80. Big difference there, huh? Furthermore Hazard has more than twice the successful passes per game than Aguero because of their different roles on the pitch (47,52>17,65).
Lastly, please, PLEASE compare their technical abilities. Let me hear what you come up with.
@Tuanis Could be among the top 3 wingers in BPL? Please back it up with hard facts.
ONCE AGAIN, this is not me making things up. It's based on hard stats. How do you back up your claims? You don't. It supposedly can't be true because he just signed a new contract? Please. I'm willing to listen to you as long as you back up your claims, because without facts it's just an opinion and even though you're entitled to your opinions they don't weigh much in the context.
Doesn't anyone read my posts..? It's your personal opinions, the stats say something else..
ONCE AGAIN:
#1 in EA sports performance Index (BPL): http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/players/ea-sports-player-performance-index.html
#3 in Optajoe/Squawka stats ranking: http://www.squawka.com/football-player-rankings#performance-score#player-stats#top-5-european-leagues|season-2014/2015#all-teams#all-player-positions#16#44#0#0#90#08/08/2014#13/02/2015#season#1#all-matches#total#desc#total
As you can see Robben is in 4th spot^. Amazing player as well. 10 times as good as Hazard? pff..
HAZARD NUMBER #3 BECAUSE OF HIS DEFENSIVE ABILITIES AS WELL AS HIS ATTACKING ABILITIES.
Further more, Hazard has MORE successful passes, HIGHER pass completion, MORE key passes AND CHANCES CREATED than any of the players anyone have mentioned
in this thread.
Comparing Modric to him is ridiculous, because everyone should know that. Comparing a defender like Kroos to him is ridiculous.
@real Regarding Aguero.. Even though he scores a lot more goals (0.8 average per game with average 4,40 shots compared to Hazards 0,36 average goals with 2,08 shots per game). This is BECAUSE scoring is the MAIN reason Aguero is on the pitch while Hazard fills other purposes. FOR EXAMPLE Hazard has 2,48 key passes per game compared to Agueros 0,80. Big difference there, huh? Furthermore Hazard has more than twice the successful passes per game than Aguero because of their different roles on the pitch (47,52>17,65).
Lastly, please, PLEASE compare their technical abilities. Let me hear what you come up with.
@Tuanis Could be among the top 3 wingers in BPL? Please back it up with hard facts.
ONCE AGAIN, this is not me making things up. It's based on hard stats. How do you back up your claims? You don't. It supposedly can't be true because he just signed a new contract? Please. I'm willing to listen to you as long as you back up your claims, because without facts it's just an opinion and even though you're entitled to your opinions they don't weigh much in the context.
Doesn't anyone read my posts..? It's your personal opinions, the stats say something else..
ONCE AGAIN:
#1 in EA sports performance Index (BPL): http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/players/ea-sports-player-performance-index.html
#3 in Optajoe/Squawka stats ranking: http://www.squawka.com/football-player-rankings#performance-score#player-stats#top-5-european-leagues|season-2014/2015#all-teams#all-player-positions#16#44#0#0#90#08/08/2014#13/02/2015#season#1#all-matches#total#desc#total
As you can see Robben is in 4th spot^. Amazing player as well. 10 times as good as Hazard? pff..
HAZARD NUMBER #3 BECAUSE OF HIS DEFENSIVE ABILITIES AS WELL AS HIS ATTACKING ABILITIES.
Further more, Hazard has MORE successful passes, HIGHER pass completion, MORE key passes AND CHANCES CREATED than any of the players anyone have mentioned in this thread.
Comparing Modric to him is ridiculous, because everyone should know that. Comparing a defender like Kroos to him is ridiculous.
@real Regarding Aguero.. Even though he scores a lot more goals (0.8 average per game with average 4,40 shots compared to Hazards 0,36 average goals with 2,08 shots per game). This is BECAUSE scoring is the MAIN reason Aguero is on the pitch while Hazard fills other purposes. FOR EXAMPLE Hazard has 2,48 key passes per game compared to Agueros 0,80. Big difference there, huh? Furthermore Hazard has more than twice the successful passes per game than Aguero because of their different roles on the pitch (47,52>17,65).
Lastly, please, PLEASE compare their technical abilities. Let me hear what you come up with.
@Tuanis Could be among the top 3 wingers in BPL? Please back it up with hard facts.
ONCE AGAIN, this is not me making things up. It's based on hard stats. How do you back up your claims? You don't. It supposedly can't be true because he just signed a new contract? Please. I'm willing to listen to you as long as you back up your claims, because without facts it's just an opinion and even though you're entitled to your opinions they don't weigh much in the context.
KTBFFHSWE
10 years ago
NOW PLEASE READ THIS^, THEN COMMENT!
RealMadrid17
10 years ago
@KTBFFHSWE well that is because of their playstyle, not technical abilities... You're basically saying Willian is a better player than Ronaldo because he defends better? Each player serves a purpose on the pitch. Robben is simply more technically gifted than Hazard, only advantage Hazard has over Robben is his weak foot abilities.
The defensive workrate also has nothing to do with how a player should be ranked, because that depends on the play style of the team he plays for. You cant expect Aguero to help defend because first of all, he's a striker and thats not his role for Man City... And one does not just come back from an injury as strong as he was before, they are set backs, and if Aguero didn't suffer them like Hazard doesn't, he would be twice as good as he is now.
Also, Modric, and Kroos are hard to compare to Hazard, but they are much more consistent than Hazard... When have you seen Modric have a bad game? Maybe once or twice... Hazard on the other fact dissapears on some games, while Modric/Kroos are always present giving balance to the midfield. They aren't flashy players, but bring much more to the team than someone like Eden.
Marcus2011
10 years ago
@tiki Atletico makes their own deals . anyways thank you for your indepths once again when La Liga becomes fair balanced league in every sense and gets deals like EPL , we will come back to argument till then au revoir , mate -;) .
@ktbffhswe
Don't waste your breath by being factual and reasonable , when they will sale Modric , Kroos or Bale they will say that they were not Madrid material and top 10 material .
KTBFFHSWE
10 years ago
Edited
@real First of all, that is NOT AT ALL what I'm saying. Willian being better than Ronaldo? Come on.. A player come as complete package so obviously you'll have to take into consideration all of his good attributes, including his defensive capabilities. This is exactly what OPTAJOEs official player-ranking do. Who are you too say otherwise? However, I do agree that Robben is better in attacking, and has a better finishing touch, but I don't agree that he's more technical at all.
Also, you seem to have completely skipped the most important arguments to why Hazard is so good in my above post. Hazard has MORE successful passes, HIGHER pass completion, MORE key passes AND CHANCES CREATED than any of the players anyone have mentioned in this thread. Please, feel free to argue against this. Please feel free to come up with other numbers that states otherwise. Then we can talk.
and No, are you kidding me? Hazard has been the most consistent player in Chelsea this year. Do you even watch Chelsea games at all? What do you base that on? Do you mean to say that Kroos and Modric don't disappear in some matches? Being consistent means that the player performs on an equal level through all matches, not that the opposition tactically outmaneuver the player. As you might be aware Hazard is one of the most tackled players in BPL. I'd say he plays a MUCH BIGGER ROLE in giving balance to the team than your mentioned players since ONCE AGAIN he's got MORE successful passes, HIGHER pass completion, MORE key passes AND CHANCES CREATED than any of the players anyone have mentioned in this thread.
EDIT: I stand corrected. Kroos and Modric have more successful passes than Hazard and higher pass completion (88<90>92%). But they should have as they play deeper on the pitch. Modric is nowhere near Hazards goal-Tallie for the same reasons. And Hazard creates more chances and key-passes according to the statistics.
@real First of all, that is NOT AT ALL what I'm saying. Willian being better than Ronaldo? Come on.. A player come as complete package so obviously you'll have to take into consideration all of his good attributes, including his defensive capabilities. This is exactly what OPTAJOEs official player-ranking do. Who are you too say otherwise? However, I do agree that Robben is better in attacking, and has a better finishing touch, but I don't agree that he's more technical at all.
Also, you seem to have completely skipped the most important arguments to why Hazard is so good in my above post. Hazard has MORE successful passes, HIGHER pass completion, MORE key
passes AND CHANCES CREATED than any of the players anyone have mentioned
in this thread. Please, feel free to argue against this. Please feel free to come up with other numbers that states otherwise. Then we can talk.
and No, are you kidding me? Hazard has been the most consistent player in Chelsea this year. Do you even watch Chelsea games at all? What do you base that on? Do you mean to say that Kroos and Modric don't dissapear in some matches? Being consistent means that the player performs on an equal level through all matches, not that the opposition tactically outmanouver the player. As you might be aware Hazard is one of the most tackled players in BPL. I'd say he play a MUCH BIGGER ROLE in giving balance to the team than your mentioned players since ONCE AGAIN he's got MORE successful passes, HIGHER pass completion, MORE key
passes AND CHANCES CREATED than any of the players anyone have mentioned
in this thread.
@real First of all, that is NOT AT ALL what I'm saying. Willian being better than Ronaldo? Come on.. A player come as complete package so obviously you'll have to take into consideration all of his good attributes, including his defensive capabilities. This is exactly what OPTAJOEs official player-ranking do. Who are you too say otherwise? However, I do agree that Robben is better in attacking, and has a better finishing touch, but I don't agree that he's more technical at all.
Also, you seem to have completely skipped the most important arguments to why Hazard is so good in my above post. Hazard has MORE successful passes, HIGHER pass completion, MORE key
passes AND CHANCES CREATED than any of the players anyone have mentioned
in this thread. Please, feel free to argue against this. Please feel free to come up with other numbers that states otherwise. Then we can talk.
and No, are you kidding me? Hazard has been the most consistent player in Chelsea this year. Do you even watch Chelsea games at all? What do you base that on? Do you mean to say that Kroos and Modric don't dissapear in some matches? Being consistent means that the player performs on an equal level through all matches, not that the opposition tactically outmanouver the player. As you might be aware Hazard is one of the most tackled players in BPL. I'd say he play a MUCH BIGGER ROLE in giving balance to the team than your mentioned players since ONCE AGAIN he's got MORE successful passes, HIGHER pass completion, MORE key passes AND CHANCES CREATED than any of the players anyone have mentioned in this thread.
@real First of all, that is NOT AT ALL what I'm saying. Willian being better than Ronaldo? Come on.. A player come as complete package so obviously you'll have to take into consideration all of his good attributes, including his defensive capabilities. This is exactly what OPTAJOEs official player-ranking do. Who are you too say otherwise? However, I do agree that Robben is better in attacking, and has a better finishing touch, but I don't agree that he's more technical at all.
Also, you seem to have completely skipped the most important arguments to why Hazard is so good in my above post. Hazard has MORE successful passes, HIGHER pass completion, MORE key passes AND CHANCES CREATED than any of the players anyone have mentioned in this thread. Please, feel free to argue against this. Please feel free to come up with other numbers that states otherwise. Then we can talk.
and No, are you kidding me? Hazard has been the most consistent player in Chelsea this year. Do you even watch Chelsea games at all? What do you base that on? Do you mean to say that Kroos and Modric don't dissapear in some matches? Being consistent means that the player performs on an equal level through all matches, not that the opposition tactically outmanouver the player. As you might be aware Hazard is one of the most tackled players in BPL. I'd say he play a MUCH BIGGER ROLE in giving balance to the team than your mentioned players since ONCE AGAIN he's got MORE successful passes, HIGHER pass completion, MORE key passes AND CHANCES CREATED than any of the players anyone have mentioned in this thread.
@real First of all, that is NOT AT ALL what I'm saying. Willian being better than Ronaldo? Come on.. A player come as complete package so obviously you'll have to take into consideration all of his good attributes, including his defensive capabilities. This is exactly what OPTAJOEs official player-ranking do. Who are you too say otherwise? However, I do agree that Robben is better in attacking, and has a better finishing touch, but I don't agree that he's more technical at all.
Also, you seem to have completely skipped the most important arguments to why Hazard is so good in my above post. Hazard has MORE successful passes, HIGHER pass completion, MORE key passes AND CHANCES CREATED than any of the players anyone have mentioned in this thread. Please, feel free to argue against this. Please feel free to come up with other numbers that states otherwise. Then we can talk.
and No, are you kidding me? Hazard has been the most consistent player in Chelsea this year. Do you even watch Chelsea games at all? What do you base that on? Do you mean to say that Kroos and Modric don't disappear in some matches? Being consistent means that the player performs on an equal level through all matches, not that the opposition tactically outmaneuver the player. As you might be aware Hazard is one of the most tackled players in BPL. I'd say he play a MUCH BIGGER ROLE in giving balance to the team than your mentioned players since ONCE AGAIN he's got MORE successful passes, HIGHER pass completion, MORE key passes AND CHANCES CREATED than any of the players anyone have mentioned in this thread.
EDIT: I stand corrected. Kroos and Modric have more successful passes than Hazard and higher pass completion (88<90>92%). But they should have as they play deeper on the pitch. Modric is nowhere near Hazards goal-Tallie for the same reasons.
@real First of all, that is NOT AT ALL what I'm saying. Willian being better than Ronaldo? Come on.. A player come as complete package so obviously you'll have to take into consideration all of his good attributes, including his defensive capabilities. This is exactly what OPTAJOEs official player-ranking do. Who are you too say otherwise? However, I do agree that Robben is better in attacking, and has a better finishing touch, but I don't agree that he's more technical at all.
Also, you seem to have completely skipped the most important arguments to why Hazard is so good in my above post. Hazard has MORE successful passes, HIGHER pass completion, MORE key passes AND CHANCES CREATED than any of the players anyone have mentioned in this thread. Please, feel free to argue against this. Please feel free to come up with other numbers that states otherwise. Then we can talk.
and No, are you kidding me? Hazard has been the most consistent player in Chelsea this year. Do you even watch Chelsea games at all? What do you base that on? Do you mean to say that Kroos and Modric don't disappear in some matches? Being consistent means that the player performs on an equal level through all matches, not that the opposition tactically outmaneuver the player. As you might be aware Hazard is one of the most tackled players in BPL. I'd say he play a MUCH BIGGER ROLE in giving balance to the team than your mentioned players since ONCE AGAIN he's got MORE successful passes, HIGHER pass completion, MORE key passes AND CHANCES CREATED than any of the players anyone have mentioned in this thread.
EDIT: I stand corrected. Kroos and Modric have more successful passes than Hazard and higher pass completion (88<90>92%). But they should have as they play deeper on the pitch. Modric is nowhere near Hazards goal-Tallie for the same reasons. And Hazard creates more chances and key-passes according to the statistics.
tiki_taka
10 years ago
Edited
Edit : Miss read your post Marcus, i though you said that La liga lacked Balance...
Anyway, Balance have nothing with the league strenght, if the League champion of a balanced league cant win VS the 5th of another league, that points the league weakness, many clubs having the same average level doesnt make the league strong, but brings excitement wich is different from strenght.
Ligue 1 is balanced, doesnt mean that its the best league, Spanish top 3 can make it everywhere PL included, its not Valencia, Sevilla or Villareal if they are in the same league of Barça/Real, While the level of competition in England is ridiculous, Mourinho has incredible margin, can even draw at home without stressing, other clubs wont follow anyway and he knows it, so lets just draw City or United lets play security because the title is secured.
In Spain, Chelsea would be fighting for a CL ticket...
Ligue 1 is balanced, doesnt mean that its the best league, Spanish top 3 can make it everywhere PL included, its not Valencia, Sevilla, Malaga, Bilbao or Villareal mistake if they are in the same league of Barça/Real/Atleti, While the level of competition in England is ridiculous, Mourinho has incredible margin, can even draw at home without stressing, other clubs wont follow anyway and he knows it, so lets just draw City or United lets play security because the title is secured.
In Spain, Chelsea would be fighting for a CL ticket...
RealMadrid17
10 years ago
@KTB Those sort of stats are really irrelevant, Tiki showed the rankings for the first half of the BBVA season, and Bruno (Villareal) was 3rd or 4th... Doesn't mean he's better than other players... I really don't care about what those rankings say, and you shouldn't either... Bruno is not better than Iniesta, Kroos, Xavi, Rakitic, James, Neymar, Ramos, Suarez, etc. And Nani being 3rd proves my point as well... Nani is better than Ronaldo? No... Just because he was one of the best players in the group stages doesn't mean he's the better player... A winger, like Robben or Hazard, should be looked at from the attacking point of view, not the defensive, that just comes as a bonus... Mandzukic is a striker who is AMAZING at defending, but that doesn't mean he's better than, Costa, Aguero, Benzema, Suarez, and others... Players like Robben or Hazard shouldn't be looked at from a defensive point of view, but from an attacking one... Robben is the better attacker than Robben... He's won so many important titles and been key in all of them. Hazard is young, and still has time to improve... But saying he's the 3rd best in the world is ludicrous.
I understand why you might think that, but you're being bias, and you might not see it, because you're a Chelsea fan, and you're not at fault as every human is bias towards their team whether they like it or not. But I really don't see Hazard as the third best, stats aren't everything in football, I agree they are important, but doesn't dictate 100% how a player should be ranked.
chelsea8
10 years ago
Lol people here thinking scoring goals or givin assists means everything hahah if that were the case then ronaldinho, zidane, cannavaro and many other players would never have won a ballon d'or, i'm not bias hazard is better than any other player except messi.
KTBFFHSWE
10 years ago
Edited
Stats is a more accurate measurement than personal opinions as there are stats for everything. The only thing you need to take into consideration is the overall team performance and its tactics as it may influence the stats. Obviously one need to take into consideration the full profile of a player when trying to rank them?? How can you not agree with this? Football is played on both courts on the pitch but if you take a look at the stats I provided, you'll see that defensive abilities accounts for only a small fraction of the total amounts of "points". Therefore their skills are still looked at from a attacking point of view. (Think about it..If Hazard is better defensively than for example Modric that means that he has to work more in defense which takes energy from the attacking point of view). If Mou had changed tactics and put Hazard on top all the time without backing home, then he'd simply be scoring MORE goals, MORE assists and probably even create MORE chances. Thus you can't just ignore that aspect of this player and the rest.
This is not me being biased, since I've provided stats to back it up. Remember, there's stats for everything so of course it's a valid measure in ranking players. A lot more so than your personal opinions. Now, it's true that stats don't by themselves tell the entire story but they're certainly good to start with. According to those stats Modric isn't as good as Hazard. Also, the same is shown in his market value as he's valued to less than Hazard.
BUT honestly speaking I find no purpose in ranking players in different positions as they fill different purposes, but if you necessarily have to, then the optajoe ranking is a more reliable source than RealMadrid17 from Footyroom.
Stats is a more accurate measurement than personal opinions as there are stats for everything. The only thing you need to take into consideration is the overall team performance and its tactics as it may influence the stats. Obviously one need to take into consideration the full profile of a player when trying to rank them?? How can you not agree with this? Football is played on both courts on the pitch but if you take a look at the stats I provided, you'll see that defensive abilities accounts for only a small fraction of the total amounts of "points". Therefore their skills are still looked at from a attacking point of view. (Think about it..If Hazard is better defensively than for example Modric that means that he has to work more in defense which takes energy from the attacking point of view). If Mou had changed tactics and put Hazard on top all the time without backing home, then he'd simply be scoring MORE goals, MORE assists and probably even create MORE chances. Thus you can't just take ignore that aspect of this player and the rest.
This is not me being biased, since I've provided stats to back it up. Remember, there's stats for everything so of course it's a valid measure in ranking players. A lot more so than your personal opinions. Now, it's true that stats don't by themselves tell the entire story but they're certainly a good to start with. And according to those stats Modric isn't as good as Hazard. Also, that is shown in his market value as he's valued to less than Hazard.
BUT honestly speaking I find no purpose in ranking players in different positions as they fill different purposes, but if you necessarily have to, then the optajoe ranking is a more reliable source than RealMadrid17 from Footyroom.
Stats is a more accurate measurement than personal opinions as there are stats for everything. The only thing you need to take into consideration is the overall team performance and its tactics as it may influence the stats. Obviously one need to take into consideration the full profile of a player when trying to rank them?? How can you not agree with this? Football is played on both courts on the pitch but if you take a look at the stats I provided, you'll see that defensive abilities accounts for only a small fraction of the total amounts of "points". Therefore their skills are still looked at from a attacking point of view. (Think about it..If Hazard is better defensively than for example Modric that means that he has to work more in defense which takes energy from the attacking point of view). If Mou had changed tactics and put Hazard on top all the time without backing home, then he'd simply be scoring MORE goals, MORE assists and probably even create MORE chances. Thus you can't just take ignore that aspect of this player and the rest.
This is not me being biased, since I've provided stats to back it up. Remember, there's stats for everything so of course it's a valid measure in ranking players. A lot more so than your personal opinions. Now, it's true that stats don't by themselves tell the entire story but they're certainly good to start with. According to those stats Modric isn't as good as Hazard. Also, the same is shown in his market value as he's valued to less than Hazard.
BUT honestly speaking I find no purpose in ranking players in different positions as they fill different purposes, but if you necessarily have to, then the optajoe ranking is a more reliable source than RealMadrid17 from Footyroom.
Eden Hazard has today signed a new five-and-a-half-year contract with Chelsea.
The club’s Player of the Year has continued his excellent form this season, scoring 13 times in 36 appearances and helping us to the top of the Barclays Premier League.
'I am very happy to sign a new contract with Chelsea,' Hazard said. 'Since I came here in 2012 I have always felt good and the club has been very supportive to me.
'The manager has helped me improve a lot, the fans have been fantastic and I have an amazing understanding with my team-mates.
'I always try to give pleasure to the supporters with my style of play and it is nice to know they appreciate my work.
'I hope we can repay that support by winning lots of trophies, beginning with the Capital One Cup at Wembley, and after that, we can push hard towards the end of the season.’
Jose Mourinho added: ‘I am very happy that Eden has signed a new contract. It shows he believes in the club’s coaching staff and players to help him become the best player in the world.
'He is already a top player and his evolution has been fantastic. He is still very young and he can become the best.’
Widely regarded as one of the most dangerous attackers in world football, Hazard, 24, has completed more dribbles and suffered more fouls than any other player in the league this season, drawing praise for his sporting manner as well as his technical ability.
The Belgian, pictured above with club director Marina Granovskaia, arrived at Stamford Bridge in 2012 and has since made a total 147 appearances for the Blues, scoring 43 goals.
Hazard was voted Chelsea’s Player of the Year by the club’s supporters for the 2013/14 campaign following an exhilarating second season in west London. He finished as our top goalscorer, netting 17 in all competitions, before representing his country at their first World Cup since 2002. He also lifted the Europa League in his first season as a Chelsea player.
Eden Hazard has today signed a new five-and-a-half-year contract with Chelsea.
The club’s Player of the Year has continued his excellent form this season, scoring 13 times in 36 appearances and helping us to the top of the Barclays Premier League.
'I am very happy to sign a new contract with Chelsea,' Hazard said. 'Since I came here in 2012 I have always felt good and the club has been very supportive to me.
'The manager has helped me improve a lot, the fans have been fantastic and I have an amazing understanding with my team-mates.
'I always try to give pleasure to the supporters with my style of play and it is nice to know they appreciate my work.
'I hope we can repay that support by winning lots of trophies, beginning with the Capital One Cup at Wembley, and after that, we can push hard towards the end of the season.’
Jose Mourinho added: ‘I am very happy that Eden has signed a new contract. It shows he believes in the club’s coaching staff and players to help him become the best player in the world.
'He is already a top player and his evolution has been fantastic. He is still very young and he can become the best.’
Widely regarded as one of the most dangerous attackers in world football, Hazard, 24, has completed more dribbles and suffered more fouls than any other player in the league this season, drawing praise for his sporting manner as well as his technical ability.
The Belgian, pictured above with club director Marina Granovskaia, arrived at Stamford Bridge in 2012 and has since made a total 147 appearances for the Blues, scoring 43 goals.
Hazard was voted Chelsea’s Player of the Year by the club’s supporters for the 2013/14 campaign following an exhilarating second season in west London. He finished as our top goalscorer, netting 17 in all competitions, before representing his country at their first World Cup since 2002. He also lifted the Europa League in his first season as a Chelsea player.