http://ca.reuters.com/article/idCAKCN0YR0O9?rpc=401&pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0

I swear, some people really make me mad, bringing up this kind of stuff to football. Why would it matter what religion a player have, as long as he respect the law and act with like a true sportman, why would you reproach anything to the man. People see political message were they are none. Anyway, what do you guys think about all this?

It is not a truth . it is fact mate :) Progressive people with modern feminist thinking living in their own hypocrisy and denial of scientific and biological facts .
You are right Wasting time arguing with you is pointless because in the end arguing with you , is same as arguing with a woman .
You talk from your feelings towards the issue instead of coming with logic and facts .
Just like that politician in that articles somehow dragged simple non issue into several different issues and touched other topics that has nothing to do with original argument in the first place .. typical feminist

In the end just like i argue with ladies, I shall say : "sorry I am wrong , i was a bit sexist and irrational " because having a rational argument and winning it against woman is impossible .

Feminism is a joke, those who finance feminist have also financed porn with women v 5 or 6 men vids advertising....
Reality is that feminism is with many other useless fights useless that's the word, and before being insulted I ll try to explain why : women from two different social class will never have the same fight as simple as this. A rich woman has more than 10 men working for her, In other words the world we are living in where money is the religion one rich women is worth 10 or 100 men from lower classes let alone poor women. A rich woman and a poor woman does not have any similar thing in life.
While families got less money to live obliging the mother to let the family home and work to feed their children while the man salary was more than enough, the structure of the house declined, nobody to educate the children and school is only creating cows ready for labor.
Women were allowed by our masters to go to politics because they were easier to control, easier to corrupt not saying they are bad but actually it will be hard to find a leader like Chavez or Poutine a woman...
Saying that a woman can be policewoman soldier etc and do the same as men is false and in the same way they weakened the unity of workers who were more united to face their hierarchy....
Many see progression when there is regression, now women freedom is to wear bikinis and get a boyfriend each week, those women end up alone at the age of 50, or divorced under drogs....

Stability of families and people in general made them resist to war of classes, now the upper class 0,1% of the population dominated everything by destructing the family and the wife the main role in a house, 2016 men looks like women by their attitude and unable to defend anything let alone their rights, children are unstable and misinformed.
And the main fight of our grandparents about the fight of social classes is erased from people's mind, we had only one fight, a vertical fight the richest are obliged to make you poorer to get more money and you are trying to defend something useless.

I agree with Marcus, that's not being menenist that's caring for the poor man or woman it's the same, when you have nothing your sex doesn't matter and the opposite is also true.

Also as an extension to the equality theory, that used to be complementarity who brought stability at home, now none of the couple cook well, none of them defend civil rights....
The next step is already planned those who financed feminism are financing LGBT rules ( lesbian gay bisexual transsexual) man and woman from the same will be nothing, gender will be chosen and it's already applied in French schools, now LGBT are scouting our children since the age of 4, you can borrow and Indian woman to make you a child and live like that, the individual is weakned more and more until we end to the simple role of eat drink be consumer and serve the masters families... And the most tragic is that we are the militants of our decline, the new world order is near where it will be seen as a progression, where women/men/colours will be all the same, where we will only work all our life to make the rich richer until 70 or maybe until death, and we should feel blessed because in some places in Asia Africa children's labor is natural at the age of 4.

We are here to talk, to share, to inform, to disagree the topic for me is not important as much as the discussion it brings we can go off topic and come again on topic as long as it makes us discuss, I'm not a progressist specially when it's about the human regression. Enough is enough we are raised with Disneyland and utopian values, we end up watching women being prostitutes because they are free to earn money that way and a society full of jealousy and vice, is theory adapted to reality ? not in my opinion.

@Marcus2011 @Tiki_taka Guys, please... :( Enough about feminism, that wasn't what this thread was about and its wasn't even what NandaYNWA was talking about either. I'm not saying your wrong or anything. I just feel this doesn't really have anything to do with my first post. Also, I feel like some people have a lots of frustation against feminism and I can understand since I think some of them go way too far but we should be prudent and not give them excuse to act like they do. Also, this forum is not menenist in my opinion and we should all be able to enjoy great discussion about football, no matter our sex, color or religion. This sport should bring us together so the fact we say stuff like that doesn't seem right. I don't want anyone to feel rejected no matter who they are and I know that its not in my power to control everything even on my thread but I think it would be better if we could all try to accept the fact we have different point of view.

Edit: Sorry tiki if I'm repeating myself, didn't saw your answer just now.

the ignorance is high in this thread. just aone example for you tiki "women can't be soldiers" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyudmila_Pavlichenko
women easier to corrupt than men? LOL bringing up Putin and Chavez who are some of the most corrupt leaders in the world.
Why are some men so scared of women, if they are unable to achieve anything anyway?
peace

Don't feel responsible for anything emo, it's your thread you talk about anything you want, I have no forbidden subject and I like to discuss any sort of subjects if nobody is interested then alright you can bring the original one back. We are here to share after all no matter what the subject at least in my case...ok sorry emo

Emobot, nicely said.

Chavez was corrupt ? And I am the ignorant ? Chavez was a god in his country turn off you tv and travel a little. Of course women can be soldiers but is that the equality you want ? To bring women in men's hell ? From being a flower to an AK 47 holder ? See I don't know which of our 2 visions defend more women... You won't see my vision on television nor the books I'm reading...

Marcus has enough experience to avoid a useless argument, each time I got hope to discuss things with a little vision, Marcus is right after all people are still living in the matrix...

Well. Women are not equal to men. Yes, they are lower. Because they don't kill their husbands. They don't rape and end people's lives. My grandfather was "by Marcus' term" scientifical and biologically better than my grandmother. He was drinking all the time. At the end, he stabbed my grandmother. Even after this my grandmother thought about her children and grandchildren. I live in Turkey. I hear these kind of news everyday. So yes men can rape women or kill them. They are superior.
Islamic culture from the Middle East hates women. It says in Quran that you can beat women or rape them.
That's why they stone women to death in some countries.

Will leave this here for some sexist people to understand why we are trying to equalize people. If we dont do that, people like my 'grandfather' will think they are superior and they can do what they want.

Ok, here my take on the topic in all sincerity, woman and man should be treated the most equally possible... but they cannot alway be treated equally because we're different on a biogical level at the very least. Yes, I believe a woman can do anything she want if she put enough effort into it but for me, its a fact that a man and woman who had the same amount of training won't be as strong as each other. I also am ready to recognise that it will not be in our life time that we will have total equality of sex and that we will have many people in the world that will treat woman with less respect that man for many time to come. I don't know why, but in the specific case of quikzyyy ignoring the article, I felt his reaction was justified in the sense that woman in politic aren't alway so well represented and are shown as hard-headed. Also, the negatif feedback from my first post didn't help him have a good opinion about the person who said those thing. Of course, this is my personal opinion and you are entitled to have your. :)

@Emercan_58 Thats really horrible to hear, I hope for you that one day, thing change for the better in your country and I hope you understand that other user like Marcus really doesn't want terrible thing like that to go on when they say what they do.

sorry about Chavez, I actually mixed him up. my point still stands.
so what do you tell a woman who wants to be a soldier and is capable of doing so? to stay at home and be a flower? sorry, yes our 2 visions are clearly different then.
See you in the matrix

@Stern

See you in the matrix

Thats actually a pretty cool way to answer off if you don't mind me saying tiki. ;p

And what would you say if tomorrow your daughter wants to be a porn star ? It's freedom ? We're in 2016 ? No sorry I'm disconnected from the matrix I'm the one everyone hates ideologically because I don't eat from what everyone is eating, and I have the right to.
Ask the man who will send that woman to the war is his daughter has ever seen a gun in her life...not any chance to see me in the matrix I'm glad to have the marginal opinion the system despise.

French president has 10% public opinion in favor, Poutine got more than 80% and our media are cocky enough to criticize him, how popular is Merkel in Germany?

@tiki_taka But to be sincere, I would'nt want to send man to war any more than I would send woman, just saying. :(

I'm not saying we are better, I'm saying we are different. A woman that has a man life end up depressed, she has the right to not the problem but you can't ask a cat to have dog attributes nor the opposite. In 10000 year men and women were comlpementary.
Equality in front of law YES, salaries YES, but my final word here is that regression is seen as a progression when you don't base your point on History and what has worked in the past. Change is not always good when it is for worst.

yes you are so special, we know. and being a porn star is clearly on the same moral level as being a soldier.
Merkel is at 46%, her worst rate since 2011. Because people are mad about Turkey and Böhmerman, she used to be at about 60%. your point?

http://www.forbes.com/power-women/ poor women, they all look so depressed :(

@Tiki In a nutshell, equality for women but not if it make their life worse? Yeah, I can understand where this idea come from.

@Stern Try not to take what tiki say too much too heart, from what I seen and if I'm not wrong, he like to have those debate on the forum.

it's cool. we are discussing, but it seems our points of view don't align. I can try to convince him of my opinion and deliver arguments, but in the end it's each to their own. I just can't stand that "I know better than women what's good for them" attitude. Let's just treat others as you would want them to treat yourself.

@Stern Good, I like your mature way of seeing thing and I also understand your opinion. Freedom is an important right and I agree all human should have it.