no. but he doesnt care about winning or getting trophies. just money. like neymar does. and ronaldo.
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no. but he doesnt care about winning or getting trophies. just money. like neymar does. and ronaldo.
@tru foot atletico raped chelsea? lol haha but we raped city this year?
Costa will likely do well at Chelsea because he's already used to playing in the way Mourinho has Chelsea playing. He's been doing it for Simeone all season.
(yes, that's right, chaps, in case you hadn't noticed Atletico have (nearly) won La Liga by playing in the way which is typical of the PL. Have a think about that)
Costa will likely do well at Chelsea because he's already used to playing in the way Mourinho has Chelsea playing. He's been doing it for Simeone all season.
(yes, that's right, chaps, in case you hadn't noticed Atletico have (nearly) won La Liga by playing in the PL way. Have a think about that)
^ What is English in Atletico Madrid ? 0o
They are not Kick and rush team, far from that way of playing ;)
^ What is English in Atletico Madrid ? 0o
^ What is English in Atletico Madrid ? 0o
They are not Kick and rush team, far from that way of playing ;)
I don't really like much this player. I don't like his actions during the game with other players. I am glad he didn't sign with us in 2011. He said:
"I was almost going to Beşiktaş in 2011, everything was ready. But I am suddenly injured and stayed in my team. God didn't want me to go to Turkey."
I don't really like much this player. I don't like his actions during the game with other players. I am glad he didn't sign with us in 2011. He said:
"I was almost going to Beşiktaş in 2011, everything was ready. But I am suddenly injured and stayed in my team. God didn't want me to go to Turkey.
@Tiki
Atletico do play in an English style. Their system of going up and down the pitch with great speed, relying less on possession football, and physical style make them ideal to compete with English teams neck-to-neck.
^ Exactly.
They also like to keep their goal covered.
Ideal to compete with English teams, doesnt mean playing the English style...
They are physical i agree and play counter attacking, ok. But the Spanish touch is everywhere, their pass fluidity is typical from Spanish Football, and how on earth only English teams are physical ? Some German and all French teams have these typical physic but Atleti has both physic and technic.
And for Costa, i still remember the way everybody laughed when i said he was one of the best forwards of the moment, BECAUSE I WATCH GAMES, then Mister Lodatz came and told me with arrogance that i was wrong 7 months ago, dont you remember ? Now things seems different right now...
Atletico has 9 Spanish in their best XI, and has a high technical level...
BTW Mou isnt English, nor Catennacio.
Ideal to compete with English teams, doesnt mean playing the English style...
They are physical i agree and play counter attacking, ok. But the Spanish touch is everywhere, their pass fluidity is typical from Spanish Football, and how on earth only English teams are physical ? Some German and all French teams have these typical physic but Atleti has both physic and technic.
And for Costa, i still remember the way everybody laughed when i said he was one of the best forwards of the moment, BECAUSE I WATCH GAMES, then Mister Lodatz came and told me with arrogance that i was wrong.
Atletico has 9 Spanish in their best XI, and has a high technical level...
Ideal to compete with English teams, doesnt mean playing the English style...
They are physical i agree and play counter attacking, ok. But the Spanish touch is everywhere, their pass fluidity is typical from Spanish Football, and how on earth only English teams are physical ? Some German and all French teams have these typical physic but Atleti has both physic and technic.
And for Costa, i still remember the way everybody laughed when i said he was one of the best forwards of the moment, BECAUSE I WATCH GAMES, then Mister Lodatz came and told me with arrogance that i was wrong 7 months ago.
Atletico has 9 Spanish in their best XI, and has a high technical level...
BTW Mou isnt English, nor Catennacio.
@Lodatz: And coincidentally, they can thank Chelsea, the best defense in England, for giving them Courtois, one of the most important pieces (maybe even the most important piece) in their defense.
@Tiki
Very valid point, but what else would you expect from a Spanish team? They will undoubtedly have that little finesse associated with Spain no matter what style they play in. But you can't deny that their natural playing style is the least "Spanish" out of any teams in La Liga, and more "English" than anything.
Didn't Arsenal play in a "Spanish" style a few years back? They were using the quick passes and fluidity associated with Spain, but their movement was much more direct than any Spanish team at that moment, and it was the bit of "English" play that made their playing style different from both English and Spanish teams. It's like a transitional style.
@ Dynas
For me what you just said described RM game style in some matches but that doesnt mean they play in an English style.
Have to agree with what @tiki-taka is saying.
Atletico is the best in Europe in controlling spaces, typical Spanish style. They have more similarities with Levante than any other English team.
If in your heads, being good at defending means its not Spanish than many of you just watch Barça/Real.
here is nothing to argue anyway, at least when we talk about City having a Spanish style, they have a Liga coach: Pellegrini and many Spanish players in the squad : Silva, Negredo, Navas, Javi Garcia and some players comming from la liga : Yaya Touré, Aguero, Dimichelis...
And still i cant say they are playing the Spanish way, but some genius here are saying things about a team with 90 per cent pure Spanish, 0 English player or coah or even staff, 0 player comming from EPL....
Why am i even arguing ? I dont know if you are talking about English style or Mourinho style ?
Then Inter 2010 played English style, Real Madrid 2011 and Porto 2004 all played English style :)
Atletico is the best in Europe in controlling spaces, typical Spanish style. They have more similarities with Levante than any other English team.
If in your heads, being good at defending means its not Spanish than many of you just watch Barça/Real and pretend knowing what Spanish Football style looks like.
There is nothing to argue anyway, at least when we talk about City having a Spanish style, they have a Liga coach : Pellegrini and many Spanish players in the squad : Silva, Negredo, Navas, Javi Garcia and some players comming from la liga : Yaya Touré, Aguero, Dimichelis...
And still i cant say they are playing the Spanish way, but some genius here are saying things about a team with 90 per cent pure Spanish, 0 English player or coah or even staff, 0 player comming from EPL....
Why am i even arguing ?
Atletico is the best in Europe in controlling spaces, typical Spanish style. They have more similarities with Levante than any other English team.
If in your heads, being good at defending means its not Spanish than many of you just watch Barça/Real and pretend knowing what Spanish Football style looks like.
There is nothing to argue anyway, at least when we talk about City having a Spanish style, they have a Liga coach : Pellegrini and many Spanish players in the squad : Silva, Negredo, Navas, Javi Garcia and some players comming from la liga : Yaya Touré, Aguero, Dimichelis...
And still i cant say they are playing the Spanish way, but some genius here are saying things about a team with 90 per cent pure Spanish, 0 English player or coah or even staff, 0 player comming from EPL....
Why am i even arguing ? I dont know if you are talking about English style or Mourinho style ?
Atletico is the best in Europe in controlling spaces, typical Spanish style. They have more similarities with Levante than any other English team.
If in your heads, being good at defending means its not Spanish than many of you just watch Barça/Real.
There is nothing to argue anyway, at least when we talk about City having a Spanish style, they have a Liga coach : Pellegrini and many Spanish players in the squad : Silva, Negredo, Navas, Javi Garcia and some players comming from la liga : Yaya Touré, Aguero, Dimichelis...
And still i cant say they are playing the Spanish way, but some genius here are saying things about a team with 90 per cent pure Spanish, 0 English player or coah or even staff, 0 player comming from EPL....
Why am i even arguing ? I dont know if you are talking about English style or Mourinho style ?
Atletico is the best in Europe in controlling spaces, typical Spanish style. They have more similarities with Levante than any other English team.
If in your heads, being good at defending means its not Spanish than many of you just watch Barça/Real.
here is nothing to argue anyway, at least when we talk about City having a Spanish style, they have a Liga coach: Pellegrini and many Spanish players in the squad : Silva, Negredo, Navas, Javi Garcia and some players comming from la liga : Yaya Touré, Aguero, Dimichelis...
And still i cant say they are playing the Spanish way, but some genius here are saying things about a team with 90 per cent pure Spanish, 0 English player or coah or even staff, 0 player comming from EPL....
Why am i even arguing ? I dont know if you are talking about English style or Mourinho style ?
@Tiki
True, true. I see your point. I surrender mine.
@tiki: "Why am i even arguing ?"
Because you never know when to shut up and admit you are wrong. What the fu.ck does the number of English players have to do with anything? Oh, that's right: absolutely nothing.
Do you want to know something? Atletico are currently playing PRECISELY how Chelsea used to play, only a few years ago (2009, to be exact). They are playing like United used to play, a few years before that (and before SAF basically tried to bring Spanish style possession into his game to compete with Barcelona). And also how Arsenal used to play, even before THAT, back when Henry, Bergkamp and Pires were the focul points of the team.
Hell, you've even denied that the PL is more physical than La Liga, despite this being clear to every other person on the PLANET, and whined about how being physical isn't only an English thing.
Oh, but now you want to talk about 'Spanish' technicality, as though it's only Spanish teams who have it. Please. Like I pointed out in another thread, there is easily just as much technique on show in the PL as in La Liga; it's just coupled with a defensive discipline and a more sophisticated sense of counter-attack, and has been for a DECADE. Do you recall Spanish football, pre-2000?
It wasn't based on technical football at all. It was based on the same elements that we're seeing now in Atletico, and which we've been seeing in the PL for the past ten years. That;s because these things go in CYCLES. There was a point, from about 1998-2002 when Spain's league overtook the Italian league, and became the best. Then the PL took over, and became the best.
It was the Galaticos era, followed by the Barcelona ascendance, which created this climate of 'technical football' which you think is somehow endemically 'Spanish'. It's not. And that's also why the original Galaticos didn't actually win a whole lot: Ronaldo and Zidane's brilliance was not enough to carry a team which had been built on physicality instead of technical ability. People say that City have been playing a 'Spanish' way, because they've developed a game-plan which is similar to that of the Spanish giants in recent years. That's why.
Nor did I say that excellent counter-attack was particularly 'English'. I said that it's how the PL teams have been doing it, and using it to beat the Spanish teams for a while now.
Simeone has watched that, just as he watched Mourinho show La Liga how to beat Barcelona, using the tactics he'd honed in England and Italy. He's learned how to beat the other Spanish teams, and he's learned how to do it from the PREMIER LEAGUE.
Just because YOU are unable to ever admit that the PL is good at anything doesn't mean that other people can't spot it.
etc etc etc. IT'S JUST LIKE WATCHING ATLETICO.
I don't expect you to know about any of this, however, because let's face it: you don;t know anything about PL football, and appear to have been only watching football AT ALL since Ronaldinho arrived at Camp Nou. Your 'kick and rush' bullshit was enough evidence of that, even if your denial of reality wasn't.
Just another step towards being knibis.
@Dynast: No, you were right the first time. Don't let this fool talk you out of it, just because he'll be damned if he admits that his beloved Barcelona (and therefore the league which copied them) are not the font of all footballing excellence.
Don't let him turn you into a biased fan-boy.
@tiki: "Why am i even arguing ?"
Because you never know when to shut up and admit you are wrong.
Do you want to know something? Atletico are currently playing PRECISELY how Chelsea used to play, only a few years ago. They are playing like United used to play, a few years before that (and before SAF basically tried to bring Spanish style possession into his game to compete with Barcelona). And also how Arsenal used to play, even before THAT, back when Henry, Bergkamp and Pires were the focul points of the team.
Oh, but now you want to talk about 'Spanish' technicality, as though it's only Spanish teams who have it. Please. Like I pointed out in another thread, there is easily just as much technique on show in the PL as in La Liga; it's just coupled with a defensive discipline and a more sophisticated sense of counter-attack, and has been for a DECADE. Do you recall Spanish football, pre-2000?
It wasn't based on technical football at all. It was based on the same elements that we're seeing now in Atletico, and which we've been seeing in the PL for the past ten years. That;s because these things go in CYCLES. There was a point, from about 1998-2002 when Spain's league overtook the Italian league, and became the best. Then the PL took over, and became the best.
It was the Galaticos era, followed by the Barcelona ascendance, which created this climate of 'technical football' which you think is somehow endemically 'Spanish'. It's not. People say that City have been playing a 'Spanish' way, because they've developed a game-plan which is similar to that of the Spanish giants in previous years. That's why.
Nor did I say that excellent counter-attack was particularly 'English'. I said that it's how the PL teams have been doing it, and using it to beat the Spanish teams for a while now.
Simeone has watched that, just as he watched Mourinho show La Liga how to beat Barcelona, using the tactics he'd honed in England and Italy. He's learned how to beat the other Spanish teams, and he's learned how to do it from the PREMIER LEAGUE.
Just because YOU are unable to ever admit that the PL is good at anything doesn't mean that other people can't spot it.
etc etc etc
I don't expect you to know about any of this, however, because let's face it: you don;t know anything about PL football. Your 'push and run' bullshit was enough evidence of that, even if your denial of reality wasn't.
@tiki: "Why am i even arguing ?"
Because you never know when to shut up and admit you are wrong.
Do you want to know something? Atletico are currently playing PRECISELY how Chelsea used to play, only a few years ago. They are playing like United used to play, a few years before that (and before SAF basically tried to bring Spanish style possession into his game to compete with Barcelona). And also how Arsenal used to play, even before THAT, back when Henry, Bergkamp and Pires were the focul points of the team.
Oh, but now you want to talk about 'Spanish' technicality, as though it's only Spanish teams who have it. Please. Like I pointed out in another thread, there is easily just as much technique on show in the PL as in La Liga; it's just coupled with a defensive discipline and a more sophisticated sense of counter-attack, and has been for a DECADE. Do you recall Spanish football, pre-2000?
It wasn't based on technical football at all. It was based on the same elements that we're seeing now in Atletico, and which we've been seeing in the PL for the past ten years. That;s because these things go in CYCLES. There was a point, from about 1998-2002 when Spain's league overtook the Italian league, and became the best. Then the PL took over, and became the best.
It was the Galaticos era, followed by the Barcelona ascendance, which created this climate of 'technical football' which you think is somehow endemically 'Spanish'. It's not. People say that City have been playing a 'Spanish' way, because they've developed a game-plan which is similar to that of the Spanish giants in previous years. That's why.
Nor did I say that excellent counter-attack was particularly 'English'. I said that it's how the PL teams have been doing it, and using it to beat the Spanish teams for a while now.
Simeone has watched that, just as he watched Mourinho show La Liga how to beat Barcelona, using the tactics he'd honed in England and Italy. He's learned how to beat the other Spanish teams, and he's learned how to do it from the PREMIER LEAGUE.
Just because YOU are unable to ever admit that the PL is good at anything doesn't mean that other people can't spot it.
etc etc etc
I don't expect you to know about any of this, however, because let's face it: you don;t know anything about PL football. Your 'push and run' bullshit was enough evidence of that, even if your denial of reality wasn't.
@tiki: "Why am i even arguing ?"
Because you never know when to shut up and admit you are wrong. What the fu.ck does the number of English players have to do with anything? Oh, that's right,: absolutely nothing.
Do you want to know something? Atletico are currently playing PRECISELY how Chelsea used to play, only a few years ago. They are playing like United used to play, a few years before that (and before SAF basically tried to bring Spanish style possession into his game to compete with Barcelona). And also how Arsenal used to play, even before THAT, back when Henry, Bergkamp and Pires were the focul points of the team.
Oh, but now you want to talk about 'Spanish' technicality, as though it's only Spanish teams who have it. Please. Like I pointed out in another thread, there is easily just as much technique on show in the PL as in La Liga; it's just coupled with a defensive discipline and a more sophisticated sense of counter-attack, and has been for a DECADE. Do you recall Spanish football, pre-2000?
It wasn't based on technical football at all. It was based on the same elements that we're seeing now in Atletico, and which we've been seeing in the PL for the past ten years. That;s because these things go in CYCLES. There was a point, from about 1998-2002 when Spain's league overtook the Italian league, and became the best. Then the PL took over, and became the best.
It was the Galaticos era, followed by the Barcelona ascendance, which created this climate of 'technical football' which you think is somehow endemically 'Spanish'. It's not. People say that City have been playing a 'Spanish' way, because they've developed a game-plan which is similar to that of the Spanish giants in previous years. That's why.
Nor did I say that excellent counter-attack was particularly 'English'. I said that it's how the PL teams have been doing it, and using it to beat the Spanish teams for a while now.
Simeone has watched that, just as he watched Mourinho show La Liga how to beat Barcelona, using the tactics he'd honed in England and Italy. He's learned how to beat the other Spanish teams, and he's learned how to do it from the PREMIER LEAGUE.
Just because YOU are unable to ever admit that the PL is good at anything doesn't mean that other people can't spot it.
etc etc etc
I don't expect you to know about any of this, however, because let's face it: you don;t know anything about PL football. Your 'push and run' bullshit was enough evidence of that, even if your denial of reality wasn't.
@tiki: "Why am i even arguing ?"
Because you never know when to shut up and admit you are wrong. What the fu.ck does the number of English players have to do with anything? Oh, that's right: absolutely nothing.
Do you want to know something? Atletico are currently playing PRECISELY how Chelsea used to play, only a few years ago (2009, to be exact). They are playing like United used to play, a few years before that (and before SAF basically tried to bring Spanish style possession into his game to compete with Barcelona). And also how Arsenal used to play, even before THAT, back when Henry, Bergkamp and Pires were the focul points of the team.
Oh, but now you want to talk about 'Spanish' technicality, as though it's only Spanish teams who have it. Please. Like I pointed out in another thread, there is easily just as much technique on show in the PL as in La Liga; it's just coupled with a defensive discipline and a more sophisticated sense of counter-attack, and has been for a DECADE. Do you recall Spanish football, pre-2000?
It wasn't based on technical football at all. It was based on the same elements that we're seeing now in Atletico, and which we've been seeing in the PL for the past ten years. That;s because these things go in CYCLES. There was a point, from about 1998-2002 when Spain's league overtook the Italian league, and became the best. Then the PL took over, and became the best.
It was the Galaticos era, followed by the Barcelona ascendance, which created this climate of 'technical football' which you think is somehow endemically 'Spanish'. It's not. People say that City have been playing a 'Spanish' way, because they've developed a game-plan which is similar to that of the Spanish giants in previous years. That's why.
Nor did I say that excellent counter-attack was particularly 'English'. I said that it's how the PL teams have been doing it, and using it to beat the Spanish teams for a while now.
Simeone has watched that, just as he watched Mourinho show La Liga how to beat Barcelona, using the tactics he'd honed in England and Italy. He's learned how to beat the other Spanish teams, and he's learned how to do it from the PREMIER LEAGUE.
Just because YOU are unable to ever admit that the PL is good at anything doesn't mean that other people can't spot it.
etc etc etc
I don't expect you to know about any of this, however, because let's face it: you don;t know anything about PL football, and appear to have been only watching football AT ALL since Ronaldinho arrived at Camp Nou. Your 'push and run' bullshit was enough evidence of that, even if your denial of reality wasn't.
@Dynast: No, you were right the first time. Don't let this guy talk you out of it, just because he'll be damned if he admits that his beloved Barcelona (and therefore the league which copied them) are not the font of all footballing excellence.
@tiki: "Why am i even arguing ?"
Because you never know when to shut up and admit you are wrong. What the fu.ck does the number of English players have to do with anything? Oh, that's right: absolutely nothing.
Do you want to know something? Atletico are currently playing PRECISELY how Chelsea used to play, only a few years ago (2009, to be exact). They are playing like United used to play, a few years before that (and before SAF basically tried to bring Spanish style possession into his game to compete with Barcelona). And also how Arsenal used to play, even before THAT, back when Henry, Bergkamp and Pires were the focul points of the team.
Oh, but now you want to talk about 'Spanish' technicality, as though it's only Spanish teams who have it. Please. Like I pointed out in another thread, there is easily just as much technique on show in the PL as in La Liga; it's just coupled with a defensive discipline and a more sophisticated sense of counter-attack, and has been for a DECADE. Do you recall Spanish football, pre-2000?
It wasn't based on technical football at all. It was based on the same elements that we're seeing now in Atletico, and which we've been seeing in the PL for the past ten years. That;s because these things go in CYCLES. There was a point, from about 1998-2002 when Spain's league overtook the Italian league, and became the best. Then the PL took over, and became the best.
It was the Galaticos era, followed by the Barcelona ascendance, which created this climate of 'technical football' which you think is somehow endemically 'Spanish'. It's not. And that's also why the original Galaticos didn't actually win a whole lot: Ronaldo and Zidane's brilliance was not enough to carry a team which had been built on physicality instead of technical ability. People say that City have been playing a 'Spanish' way, because they've developed a game-plan which is similar to that of the Spanish giants in recent years. That's why.
Nor did I say that excellent counter-attack was particularly 'English'. I said that it's how the PL teams have been doing it, and using it to beat the Spanish teams for a while now.
Simeone has watched that, just as he watched Mourinho show La Liga how to beat Barcelona, using the tactics he'd honed in England and Italy. He's learned how to beat the other Spanish teams, and he's learned how to do it from the PREMIER LEAGUE.
Just because YOU are unable to ever admit that the PL is good at anything doesn't mean that other people can't spot it.
etc etc etc
I don't expect you to know about any of this, however, because let's face it: you don;t know anything about PL football, and appear to have been only watching football AT ALL since Ronaldinho arrived at Camp Nou. Your 'push and run' bullshit was enough evidence of that, even if your denial of reality wasn't.
@Dynast: No, you were right the first time. Don't let this guy talk you out of it, just because he'll be damned if he admits that his beloved Barcelona (and therefore the league which copied them) are not the font of all footballing excellence.
@tiki:
"Now things seems different right now..."
Well no, not really. There's um, a reason why he's only going for 32m, instead of the 55m paid for Falcao, or the 50m paid for Cavani, or the 85m paid for Bale.
He's only 2m more expensive than Soldado was, for heaven's sake.
Why, after 7 months, when I've clearly been proved right, do you still not understand these things?
What you MEAN is: I haven't been around for the last few months to keep pointing it out to you, and so you started to think that you were right, even though you're not.
@tiki:
"Now things seems different right now..."
Well no, not really. There's um, a reason why he's only going for 32m, instead of the 55m paid for Falcao, or the 50m paid for Cavani, or the 85m paid for Bale.
He's only 2m more expensive than Soldado was, for heaven's sake.
Why, after 7 months, when I've clearly been proved right, do you still not understand these things?
I say again: IT'S JUST LIKE WATCHING ATLETICO.
And then, of course, there's the really obvious example:
You're watching the invention of the style which is going to bring new glory to the art of defense.
Expect a new era.
^ New era for City? They bought players from around the world since the past 5 years. They have won the BPL once and they're securing a place for CL every year now. Nothing special can happen now.
...New era for Europe.
Jaysus.
I don't want Costa to Chelsea, he's mentally retarded...
PS: The average height of central backs in BPL = 1.86
The average height of central backs in La Liga = 1.82
That speaks of itself...
I don't want Costa to Chelsea, he's mentally retarded...
Diego Costa will be going to Chelsea this summer.
Chelsea have one more chance to check him out in the cl second leg.