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Can Real Madrid survive without Mourinho?
Dynastian98 12 years ago Edited
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I'd like you to take a minute to read this fully. Article from - http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1646289-can-real-madrid-actually-do-better-without-jose-mourinho

How many managers would kill to have the worst season of Jose Mourinho’s career?

Following Friday’s Copa del Rey defeat to local rivals Atletico Madrid, the Real Madrid boss told reporters the current campaign would go down as his poorest in 13 years of club management.

“With a final, a semifinal, a second place and a Super Cup, for me it is the worst,” he said to Marca, adding, “When things go well it’s because of everyone. When things go bad it is the manager’s fault. For me it is the worst season.”

The 50-year-old went as far as saying that even the previous term, in which Madrid won La Liga and compiled 100 points, had been a failure given the club’s inability to win the Champions League—remarks Florentino Perez hinted it in announcingMourinho’s exit in a Monday press conference.

“I would have liked Mourinho to stay for many more years,” stated the Madrid president after revealing the Portuguese would be leaving the club at the end of the season, according to Marca. “But,” he continued, “many Madrid fans believe the pressure he was subjected to wasn’t normal and a person can only put up with so much.”

And he certainly did put up with a lot—the club’s demanding fanbase and a core of egotistical establishment players saw to that.

But he created his own drama as well, picking fights with the likes of Iker Casillas and losing his temper when a more statesmanlike approach would have served him better.

After hearing Perez announce Mourinho’s exit, Barcelona vice president CarlesVilarrubi lashed out at the departing Madrid manager, saying he had been “a scourge” to La Liga and that seeing him leave Spanish football was positive because “he had created a negative atmosphere,” per Marca.

It seems the decision makers at Madrid eventually came around to Barcelona’s way of thinking (something that doesn’t happen often), and one of the first points of business for the new manager will be to restore an element of respect at the Bernabeu.

Enter Carlo Ancelotti.

Set to leave Paris Saint-Germain, it is thought the Italian already has a personal agreement in place with Real Madrid, according to Goal, and his behavioural style is certainly something that would have been considered in approaching him.

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How many managers would kill to have the worst season of Jose Mourinhou2019s career?

Following Fridayu2019s Copa del Rey defeat to local rivals Atletico Madrid, the Real Madrid boss told reporters the current campaign would go down as his poorest in 13 years of club management.

u201cWith a final, a semifinal, a second place and a Super Cup, for me it is the worst,u201d he said to Marca, adding, u201cWhen things go well itu2019s because of everyone. When things go bad it is the manageru2019s fault. For me it is the worst season.u201d

The 50-year-old went as far as saying that even the previous term, in which Madrid won La Liga and compiled 100 points, had been a failure given the clubu2019s inability to win the Champions Leagueu2014remarks Florentino Perez hinted it in announcingMourinhou2019s exit in a Monday press conference.

u201cI would have liked Mourinho to stay for many more years,u201d stated the Madrid president after revealing the Portuguese would be leaving the club at the end of the season, according to Marca. u201cBut,u201d he continued, u201cmany Madrid fans believe the pressure he was subjected to wasnu2019t normal and a person can only put up with so much.u201d

And he certainly did put up with a lotu2014the clubu2019s demanding fanbase and a core of egotistical establishment players saw to that.

But he created his own drama as well, picking fights with the likes of Iker Casillas and losing his temper when a more statesmanlike approach would have served him better.

After hearing Perez announce Mourinhou2019s exit, Barcelona vice president CarlesVilarrubi lashed out at the departing Madrid manager, saying he had been u201ca scourgeu201d to La Liga and that seeing him leave Spanish football was positive because u201che had created a negative atmosphere,u201d per Marca.

It seems the decision makers at Madrid eventually came around to Barcelonau2019s way of thinking (something that doesnu2019t happen often), and one of the first points of business for the new manager will be to restore an element of respect at the Bernabeu.

Enter Carlo Ancelotti.

Set to leave Paris Saint-Germain, it is thought the Italian already has a personal agreement in place with Real Madrid, according to Goal, and his behavioural style is certainly something that would have been considered in approaching him.

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Dynastian98 12 years ago Edited
Real Madrid 483 7140

A league winner in both Serie A and Ligue 1, Ancelotti is widely regarded as a gentleman. His ability to manage relationships with the media, the club hierarchy, the establishment players and the fans would no doubt settle the nerves of some executives who, in recent seasons, grew increasingly exasperated with what they saw as childish antics from Mourinho.

But Ancelotti, or whomever will be brought in to replace Mourinho, will be expected to win as well, and lifting the club’s 10th European Cup—the elusive Decima—will be at the top of their to-do list.

It’s here that the new manager will struggle to replicate Mourinho’s success. For while he couldn’t quite get Madrid into a Champions League final, he nevertheless brought them into three successive semifinals after six straight years of Round of 16 defeats.He gave Barcelona a run for their money in La Liga as well, coming second to the Catalan juggernaut on two occasions and finishing nine points above them (and 39 above third-place Valencia) last season.

Even Perez conceded Mourinho had done well from a purely footballing perspective, saying to Marca, “It has been a successful period. Real Madrid is back where it should be.”Only legendary manager Miguel Munoz, who was in charge of Madrid’s glory years between 1960 and 1974 (nine titles and two European Cups), has delivered more victories for the club thanMourinho’s 127, and only Manuel Pellegrini, who was at the helm just a single season, boasts a better winning percentage than Mourinho’s 72.57.

But Pellegrini was sacked in May 2010 after coming second to Barcelona—something Mourinho would get used to as well.

And it’s Barcelona that is really the quiet influence in all this.

Had Madrid’s archrivals not hit on the magic formula of Messi, Xavi and Iniesta some years back, the capital side would surely have enjoyed a rather more prosperous last few seasons.

What Madrid and their carousel of managers is up against just happens to be the most dominant club side of recent times, and in that light, it’s hard to blame them for their desperate scrambling and attempts at quick fixes.

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Lodatz 12 years ago
Tottenham Hotspur, England 150 4992

Madrid will bounce back, so long as they keep Ronaldo. In truth, even though I obviously have other reasons to not want it, I don't think buying Bale would be that useful to them. You need some real defenders, Dynast, like, real hardcore Italian-style, nothing-gets-past-me style defenders.

Marcelo and Arbeloa are nice to look at, but, they get beaten by decent wingers. I'd even go out on a limb, and suggest making a move for Leighton Baines...

As for forwards, I think you're in good shape, overall. Ozil is awesome, Ronaldo is Ronaldo, Benzema is a good striker, Di Maria is great, and if you start using Modric as your playmaker, things are going to be quite lovely over at the Bernabeu.

Suarez would suit you down to the ground, if Bayern don't make a move for him first, or heck, why not get in on the hype surrounding Benteke?

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Dynastian98 12 years ago
Real Madrid 483 7140

Hmmm... You see, that is not really up to us RM fans to decide. I'd LOVE some Nesta/Maldini/Baresi type defenders, but that all depends on if Ancelotti joins us next season. If he does, then HELL YEAH! I wanna see him recruit some players like that. I'd love Mattia De Sciglio, but I doubt he'd be leaving AC Milan, so I'll settle for Carvajal. At LB, I'm okay with Marcelon being there, but Coentrao screws up too much for us. At CB, I'd like Diego Reyes if we can buy him.

As for striker, this is completely dependent on Perez. Perez will undoubtedly (knowing that idiot) go for the striker that will attract the most attention. I'm guessing it will be Cavani. Perez doesn't want the RM image ruined (and I don't either), so I hope he doesn't buy Suarez. Benteke is a good striker, but I just don't think he fits the RM image. I'd much rather have Morata. And I heard Juve is interested in Higuain, so Benz and Morata sound like a good combo to have.

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FredTilson 12 years ago
Manchester City, France 61 769

Carlo Ancelotti is damn effective. But for some reason, I find his teams a bit boring to watch. But maybe that's what Madrid need to finally clinch the CL.

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Footaholic 12 years ago
Arsenal, Egypt 178 2277

I think the better question to have asked was "How have Real Madrid Surived WITH Mourinho".
I'm not sure which pundit said this but it sums up the opinions of many neutrals and Spaniards: "that man has poisoned this club".
Call me a hater or whatever but I didn't say that and everyone seems pretty damned happy to see the back of him (executives, almost every player in the squad, the media, and many fans).

IMO, Carlo Ancelloti is the perfect antidote to a post-Mourinho Madrid. He is a good manager with a winning CV and pedigree. Plus, he is a lovely fellow and does very well to harmonize a club of big egos. Lastly, he will have a great enthusiasm as he would relish the chance to manage a club of Madrid's stature.
Let's see if it happens.

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Golden 12 years ago
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@Dynastian,

We've already bought Reyes. He joins us in June.

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Heisinburg 12 years ago
Manchester United 67 1516

With money, why not?

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ramaboy10 12 years ago Edited
Mauritius 285 6463

Yes in La Liga.

No in CL

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Yes.

Vendetta 12 years ago
Chelsea FC, Egypt 202 3025

FredTilson: Boring?! I understand it's your opinion but there is a reason why his style with Chelsea was called PlayStation football. This guy used to win 7-1, 8-0, 6-0, 5-0 games with us a lot.

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FredTilson 12 years ago
Manchester City, France 61 769

Yes, I know there were a lot of routs of lower league teams. Just my view. Lack of 'flair' was probably what I was talking about. I enjoyed watching Chelsea play under Mourinho much more than Ancelotti.

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TheTruth 12 years ago
Barcelona, Argentina 5 246

YES THEY CAN. They are better off without Mourinho. He never respected Madrid's "Senorio", never could get "La Decima", and only got 3 throphies in 3 years. He was a failure. In my opinion Real Madrid should've NEVER let go of Vicente del Bosque.

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Dynastian98 12 years ago
Real Madrid 483 7140

@TheTruth

I agree with you on only half of your post. YES, letting go of Del Bosque was a BIG mistake. And that's particularly why I hate Perez. For letting go of Del Bosque and Makelele, the two people who made the club what it was back then. The two people who made Los Galacticos tick. And here comes Perez, claiming that he MUST buy Beckham over Ronaldinho because Ronaldinho is "ugly". Yeah, nice choice there Perez. This "ugly" dude was one of the two Barcelona players to EVER receive a standing ovation from the RM fans at the Bernabeu (the other was Maradona, so you see how highly even RM fans consider him).

As for Mou, I don't agree. Mourinho has beaten a Barcelona squad that has been playing the same style for a DECADE. I don't think any other manager could've done that. He beat the magic formula of Messi, Iniesta, and Xavi, which I think, is one of the most underrated accomplishments in Mou's career.

He also took RM, a team that couldn't reach the quarters of the CL in SIX years, to a team that consistently reached the SEMIS of the CL in the last 3 years. He won La Liga with a record 100 points, and brought together a squad considered to be one of the most talented in the world. Only Miguel Munoz (manager from 1960 to 1974) had more victories with RM, and only Manuel Pelegrini had a better winning percentage (72.57 %), and Pelegrini was only manager for a year. Mou took Cristiano Ronaldo, and helped him on his path to one of the greatest players ever. He took a young Ozil, di Maria, Benzema, Varane, and Khedira, and transformed them into world-class players. He did what RM fans should consider the impossible. But they don't respect him as they should.

Why?

Because he ruined his relationship with Ramos and Casillas. If it wasn't for this, RM fans wouldn't hate him so much. Ramos and Casillas are of rare quality in our squad. No other player has stayed this long for the club since the 21st century, besides Raul, Guti, and Zidane. Ramos and Casillas are our two captains, and our two heroes, so we hold them very dear to our heart. When you strain your relationships with both these players, and you bench our captain constantly for personal reasons (and NOT what happened on the pitch), the RM fans turn against you. I personally will thank Mou for all he's done for us. He took us from a club living in the shadow of the great Barcelona, and made them have a run for their money when they play us. They made us meet eye to eye with Magical Messi and co.

I can't thank Mou enough for this, but unfortunately Perez and fellow RM fans are quite demanding, as RM have a rich history. So I can't do anything but let Mou go, because he wants to leave himself. But I will request that any fellow La Liga and RM fans out there to thank him, even despite his ridiculous antics. He's done more for this club the past decade than any other manager, and we owe him a LOT to where we are today. Ancelotti is the perfect man to carry on Mou's legacy.

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Dynastian98 12 years ago Edited
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@Golden

Goddamnit. There goes my hopes and dreams. How about you give him to us in a year and we give you Pepe for free? ;)

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@Golden

Goddamnit. There goes my hopes and dreams. How about you lend him to us in a year and we give you Pepe? ;)

raimondo90 12 years ago
Valencia, Argentina 89 2492

@dynast I'm glad Mou is leaving. He is posison for both Real Madrid and for La Liga.

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manchesterutI 12 years ago
Real Madrid, England 23 388

No offence but this is a stupid thread...
How many CL have RM won w/e Mourinho?
How many CL have RM won w/ Mourinho?

I'm sure we'll be alright.

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expertfootball11 12 years ago
Real Madrid, France 64 2837

I have no confidence on Ancelotti at all. He'll makes things even worse. But who to replace Mourinho? No one.

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Wolfie 12 years ago
Inter, Germany 94 1844

^haha.. teams would dance in the streets if they could have Ancelotti as manager. He is consistently successful without having to play mind games with the media. Real fans are just spoilt rotten.

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ramaboy10 12 years ago
Mauritius 285 6463

@Dyn +1

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Dynastian98 12 years ago
Real Madrid 483 7140

@manchesterutI

Very stupid indeed. Just like your comment.

Let's change your questions a little bit. Under Mou, Real have reached the semis of the CL three times in three years. That's a 100% success rate of reaching the semis. The last time they reached the semis before Mou came was in 2003, 8 years before Mou led them to one.

As for withOUT Mou, we've reached the semis 21 times in 54 years. That's a 38% rate in our history, and the majority of those came either with Di Stefano and Puskas, the Vulture's Cohort, or Los Galactico (the original one). Compare that to Mou's 100% rate, and we can see the difference Mou has made to Madrid. He took a more or less "decent" team with a few star names to one of Europe's biggest powerhouses, and capable to compete AND beat Guardiola's Barcelona. :)

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