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Beckenbauer criticizes Guardiola's style
Dynastian98 11 years ago
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Dynastian98 11 years ago
Real Madrid 483 7140

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Franz Beckenbauer has laid into Pep Guardiola's tactics at Bayern Munich. "We're going to end up being unwatchable like Barcelona. The players will start passing the ball back even on the goal line", exclaimed the club's honorary president shortly after Bayern dumped Arsenal out of the Champions League.

Covering the match as a guest pundit on 'Sky Deutschland', Beckenbauer outlined how he believes the game should be played. "I have a different vision. If I had the chance to shoot from distance, particularly up against a tight defence, I'd take it. That's the most efficient way [to play], though it's 100% up to the players", he added.

Despite being heavy favourites to defend their European crown and sitting a whopping 20 points clear at the top of the Bundesliga, this is not the first time Bayern have come in for criticism since Guardiola joined the club last summer.

http://www.marca.com/2014/03/12/en/football/international_football/1394627365.html

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tiki_taka 11 years ago Edited
Barcelona, France 367 9768

Arguable vision, he may be right. But meanwhile, Guardiolas tactics prooved their efficiency until now, it may change.
Its simple, when the rival doesnt have the ball, he cant score. So keeping possession playing may look boring at times, but its one of the safiest ways to play Football without giving any chance to the rival, when you multiply passes, the rival is running and running and it takes him a lot to stay concentrate to every hole he can leave on the pitch, and at the end, he is tired mentally and physically.
Its useful when you want to keep the score and decide for the tempo of the game, its annoying for teams that wants to come back on a game to do what they planned to do.

But of course you need to have players who have enough skills to never loose the ball, do perfect passes in small spaces and under pressure and of course a world class midlefield.
Bayern players are less suffering on the pitch than in last year, their possession makes them scarry for every defence and made them concede less goals or even chances, they oblige teams to change their way of playing and adapt to the extra duties they will have to do.
But yes, its up to players to shoot if they have enough shooting skills. At the end, its up to the players to shoot or to make pass.

The only thing im sure of it, is that its not the right time to judge Guardiolas tactics since he is doing amazing until now, Beckenbauer should know that what is asked for Guardiola is to do something nobody did it before, win 2 CL in a row.
He won, World cup clubs, Bundesliga and qualified for quarters... They should let him work.

Edit : Won Europeen Suprecup as well :).

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Arguable vision, he may be right. But meanwhile, Guardiolas tactics prooved their efficiency until now, it may change.
Its simple, when the rival doesnt have the ball, he cant score. So keeping possession playing may look boring at times, but its one of the safiest ways to play Football without giving any chance to the rival, when you multiply passes, the rival is running and running and it takes him a lot to stay concentrate to every hole he can leave on the pitch, and at the end, he is tired mentally and physically.
Its useful when you want to keep the score and decide for the tempo of the game, its annoying for teams that that wants to come back on a game to do what they planned to do.

But of course you need to have players who have enough skills to never loose the ball and do perfect passes in small spaces and under pressure and a world class midlefield.
Bayern players are less suffering on the pitch than in last year, their possession makes them scarry for every defence and made them concede less goals or even chances, they oblige teams to change their way of playing and adapt to the extra duties they will have to do.
But yes, its up to players to shoot if they have enough shooting skills. At the end, its up to the players to shoot or to make pass.

The only think im sure of it, is that its not the right time to judge Guardiolas tactics since he is doing amazing until now, Beckenbauer should know that what is asked for Guardiola is to do something nobody did it before, win 2 CL in a row.
He won, World cup clubs, Bundesliga and qualified for quarters... They should let him work.

Arguable vision, he may be right. But meanwhile, Guardiolas tactics prooved their efficiency until now, it may change.
Its simple, when the rival doesnt have the ball, he cant score. So keeping possession playing may look boring at times, but its one of the safiest ways to play Football without giving any chance to the rival, when you multiply passes, the rival is running and running and it takes him a lot to stay concentrate to every hole he can leave on the pitch, and at the end, he is tired mentally and physically.
Its useful when you want to keep the score and decide for the tempo of the game, its annoying for teams that wants to come back on a game to do what they planned to do.

But of course you need to have players who have enough skills to never loose the ball, do perfect passes in small spaces and under pressure and of course a world class midlefield.
Bayern players are less suffering on the pitch than in last year, their possession makes them scarry for every defence and made them concede less goals or even chances, they oblige teams to change their way of playing and adapt to the extra duties they will have to do.
But yes, its up to players to shoot if they have enough shooting skills. At the end, its up to the players to shoot or to make pass.

The only think im sure of it, is that its not the right time to judge Guardiolas tactics since he is doing amazing until now, Beckenbauer should know that what is asked for Guardiola is to do something nobody did it before, win 2 CL in a row.
He won, World cup clubs, Bundesliga and qualified for quarters... They should let him work.

Arguable vision, he may be right. But meanwhile, Guardiolas tactics prooved their efficiency until now, it may change.
Its simple, when the rival doesnt have the ball, he cant score. So keeping possession playing may look boring at times, but its one of the safiest ways to play Football without giving any chance to the rival, when you multiply passes, the rival is running and running and it takes him a lot to stay concentrate to every hole he can leave on the pitch, and at the end, he is tired mentally and physically.
Its useful when you want to keep the score and decide for the tempo of the game, its annoying for teams that wants to come back on a game to do what they planned to do.

But of course you need to have players who have enough skills to never loose the ball, do perfect passes in small spaces and under pressure and of course a world class midlefield.
Bayern players are less suffering on the pitch than in last year, their possession makes them scarry for every defence and made them concede less goals or even chances, they oblige teams to change their way of playing and adapt to the extra duties they will have to do.
But yes, its up to players to shoot if they have enough shooting skills. At the end, its up to the players to shoot or to make pass.

The only thing im sure of it, is that its not the right time to judge Guardiolas tactics since he is doing amazing until now, Beckenbauer should know that what is asked for Guardiola is to do something nobody did it before, win 2 CL in a row.
He won, World cup clubs, Bundesliga and qualified for quarters... They should let him work.

Dynastian98 11 years ago
Real Madrid 483 7140

@Tiki

My thoughts exactly. Doesn't matter if people consider Mourinho and Guardiola's tactics to be "boring", they work. Mou has won some 15+ trophies, and Guardiola has won 15 to date (in just 5 years). Their CV should speak for itself.

I, for one, find Guardiola's football to be very entertaining. I'm a huge fan of the pass-and-move system he established, and I can tell you from watching Barcelona against City today that if Guardiola was in Tata's place, Barca would've blown away City with at least 4 goals. This is because there was no movement in Tata's team today. Xavi would have the ball, but Neymar would'nt even move. Dani Alves, who I consider to be one of the most dynamic players on Barcelona, didn't make any of those deadly runs he is notorious for. This lack of movement is what Guardiola hates, and it was the movement which made Barcelona so deadly.

Beckenbauer is right in one sense. Keeping possession but not attacking is pointless. And very boring. But, keeping possession while constantly creating chances is one of the simplest (and most difficult) ways to win the game. I think Guardiola is perfectly fine as he is, and he'll do well in Bayern. I mean, he's on his way to win the Bundesliga again, and most likely the DFB Pokal as well. So........ what's the problem with his style?

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tiki_taka 11 years ago
Barcelona, France 367 9768

Yeah, we only knew how important Guardiola was for us, he could have been our coach for years but Rossell ruined it.
Whether it is against another team that keeps the ball, a team that counters or an opponent that sits back and defends, Bayern have always found a way to win this season. Their ability to adapt and adjust to different kinds of opponents and in-match situations has been a cornerstone of their succcessful run under Guardiola.

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Marcus2011 11 years ago
Chelsea FC, England 277 6501

Beckenbauer always complains ! He is old man , so he can be excused . I do agree with above nothing wrong with Guardiola possessional football . We are in the era of total football. Boring or Entertaining , it brings results for the club and that matters the most .

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expertfootball11 11 years ago
Real Madrid, France 64 2837

Grannys always criticize. Not to diss the legend he was but just as Cryuiff, they keep complaining for no reasons. His argues won't change much to Bayern's performances that are top class.

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fabryi 11 years ago Edited
Arsenal 37 727

Well, I'm not that old as him but I agree. The tactic is working but it's really unwatchable. For example in both Arsenal vs Bayern games or City vs Barcelona I though sometimes that I'm sleeping. You just watch half of match passing between defenders without even trying to go forward and score.

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Well, I'm not that old as him but I agree. The tactic is working but it's really unwatchable in both Arsenal vs Bayern games or City vs Barcelona I though sometimes that I'm sleeping, you just watch half of match passing between defenders.

Well, I'm not that old as him but I agree. The tactic is working but it's really unwatchable. For example in both Arsenal vs Bayern games or City vs Barcelona I though sometimes that I'm sleeping, you just watch half of match passing between defenders.

Well, I'm not that old as him but I agree. The tactic is working but it's really unwatchable. For example in both Arsenal vs Bayern games or City vs Barcelona I though sometimes that I'm sleeping. You just watch half of match passing between defenders.

tuan_jinn 11 years ago
Manchester United, Netherlands 198 6912

For me, the other team just have to work harder. Look at Barca's game yesterday, normally Barca has >70% possession, yesterday about 55%, both team created chances... if you are too weak you can't complain the other team has more balls

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tiki_taka 11 years ago Edited
Barcelona, France 367 9768

^ Agreed.

I prefer watching 30 succesful accurate pass than many crosses or bad shots. But i respect others visions of Football.

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^ Agreed.

Dephased 11 years ago
Arsenal, United States 12 501

I think such a club legend like Franz does something really silly by criticising the way the manager plays when it clearly isn't broken. On another note, how you play is really irrelevant as long as the fans are up for it along with the players giving it their all.

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Marcus2011 11 years ago
Chelsea FC, England 277 6501

@tiki

Watching 30 accurate passes when no one is pressing you is not so interesting .
This is interesting and fun !

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tiki_taka 11 years ago
Barcelona, France 367 9768

^ Thats why, i love Spanish style of play, mesmerizing skills...

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Marcus2011 11 years ago
Chelsea FC, England 277 6501

Arsenal does this week in and week out under pressure . Just watch their games .

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shpalman 11 years ago Edited
AC Milan, Italy 55 2252

of course it becomes boring, like i said lot of time ago, tiki-taka it's like parking the bus, but with ball possession.

+1 to tuann_jinn

@Dynastian i may agree on that, but we could say the same about catenaccio then, it works...

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of course it becomes boring, like i said lot of time ago, tiki-taka it's like parking the bus, but with ball possession.

+1 to tuann_jinn

tiki_taka 11 years ago
Barcelona, France 367 9768

AHAHA, a Milan fan talking about boring Football, go watch your team style of play. The last time i watched a milan game i felt asleep.
If tiki taka was that easy, Milan would have playing it.

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truthhurts 11 years ago
Marseille, England 0 19

Critisize if he is not bringing a result

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shpalman 11 years ago
AC Milan, Italy 55 2252

@tiki
i feel sorry for you, i really do.

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tiki_taka 11 years ago
Barcelona, France 367 9768

I feel sorry for Milan, for you im happy that your EGO is actually suffering... ;)

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shpalman 11 years ago Edited
AC Milan, Italy 55 2252

don't ruin also this thread. it's a dicussion about tiki-taka: a football playing style. nothing to do with Milan.

edit: the fact that you upvote yourself it's hilarious. even because, i can't see what kind of interest another user can have to upvote that comment of yours, since it's personal and directed to me. i guess i got another hater.

beware tho', the last troll who tried to piss me off, ended in my friend list: <http://footyroom.com/profile/?id=15522>
just saying, so you know who you're dealing with...

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don't ruin also this thread. it's a dicussion about tiki-taka: a football playing style. nothing to do with Milan.

shpalman 11 years ago
AC Milan, Italy 55 2252

@Dynastian/whoever

still waiting to know why, in this case, a boring style like Tiki-taka is accepted among football fans, while Catenaccio (parking the bus) is condemned and despised.

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