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HT 0 : 1

Alaves

Don’t cry like a bitch.. get over it.

listen, you poor kid, this diving corrupt Barcelona with their president on trial is a disgrace to football.. 74 GAMES in a row, thats a disgrace, and you bitch can not explain that

We don’t have Ramos or Marcelo, that’s all that’s a mark of defensive intelligence Umtiti and Pique never tackle.

Could you tell me how many times we were robbed last year and Madrid favored by referees? Have you ever heard Karma?

Look what happened last season. Spanish refs are just so low quality that you can't expect anything good from them.

That involves major reshuffling. Once a team loses most it's core components (parts) the team changes greatly. The team is greatly based around Messi. He creates, scores and does a lot attacking wise, without him Barca will struggle. You don't want to step into a zone like your team did for almost a decade now where your team can't challenge for a league top 4 finish or win anything. Same with my team, United. After SAF retired, our team was dried out and we literally needed a new team, players were retiring or leaving. It's hard for that team to stay the same and be at the top level, but in this day and age you need to spend and make sure you compete and don't fall off. Barca will fall off without these key players. Coutinho is one of the best players out, they need to build a new team.

And not just build a team around players like Messi and co. Suarez is getting old too and you don't know how long he'll be consistent. Generational shifts have occured now with many players retiring. The age of the youth has started again. Since Ronaldo first stepped onto the scene with Messi and dominated the World, most young talents haven't had their time to shine and tbh money has ruined their ambition and drive. Maybe focusing on youth and bringing in home-grown players is the key. United started doing it more now and it's slowly paying off. Our home-grown or youth bought players are shining and growing. They'll grow a deeper bond and understanding of players around them on the team and in the end, perform better. Barca can't afford to recreate the team they had.

Very good points both of you. I also think they need Busquet replacement a bit more, he is vital. But like LoveKavi said, in general they are aging, Coutinho would be a new gen, he needs time and a bit of guidance. He cam be a beast

Bayern has been eliminated by spanish competition 4 years in a row. you're league is almost as boring as ligue 1. i don't even watch bundesliga highlights, its fucking boring. maybe if you guys didn't poach players off of your biggest rivals you'd be able to practice playing decent teams so by the time the UCL came around you won't continue to get eliminated by spanish sides.

@jakobimacdobi

Learn the difference between your and you're.

Also, you seem to be forgetting Bayern 7-0 Barcelona not long ago. And honestly have gotten very unlucky since (Last year against Madrid for example)

Finally, a Swedish League fan saying the Bundesliga is boring is just rich. I don't remember seeing you in the Champions League, where is that shit team of yours. But, wait and see as now under Heynckes we'll win the treble; and I'll look back at your comment with only laughter. xD

Bro, Bayern has been beaten so many times by Barca, Madrid and AM... what's the point of shit talking?

You really funny guy than_jinn, you have to cry under a single one highlight of Barcelona game? You didn't mentioned about Messi voted for MOTM by people who didn't watch the game

cry? What the hell are you talking about? And why Messi MOTM was relevant for ref's decision? ref was just bad in general and I dislike Suarez's coward kick, that's all. Messi saved the day, although it definitely was not one of his game, he missed 2 good chances which were quite strange for his level. Looked tired. Barca's mid without Busquet look bad too.

Espagnol game took a lot of effort from players, also pairing digne/Semedo took off Barca main force this season : wings. Have to agree Messi looked tired, missed easy controls by his standards and dribbled wastfyully but that’s the problem in here : once your name is in the scoresheet you are MOTM. Basically Ronaldo won all the individual awards lately that way...

Refs do make mistakes. Sometimes against you and sometimes in your favor. Hopefully with VAR, its going to be less mistakes.

People seem to think the Ref can see what we can see. We have literally like hundreds of cameras around the stadium shot in 4k or 5k, at sometimes like 1000 frames a second, zooming into the blades of grass on the field. We can see everything, hence VAR will be important for the game since no one can complain after that. Science will make the important decisions, then all his boring chat about refs can go away. The game moves at such a tight speed that even offsides are hard. The difference between someone being offside by like 2 feet could equate to 0.1 second and that;s practically impossible to see with the human eye. We will never complain if the ref helps our own teams, but will complain when it's against us. Complaining is boring, I can't wait for VAR to change the game.

@LoveKavi I agree with you in respects to VAR but dont expect it to fix 100% of the problems. VAR will still depend on a ref to make the calls and theres already been cases in Budesliga were the ref in charge of VAR was purposely ignoring calls to benefit Schalke. The idea is that VAR will give the ref the tools to make more accurate decisions such as offsides and fouls. Obviously as it gets used more and more it will improve and hopefully help the matches be fair.

@Raimondo... it gives the ef a chance to correct his erroneous call, or help when in doubt, or gives him a chance to see the situation from a different angle or a second time. Not perfect but better.

True, that was stated in Marca today. But people always cry because Barca benefitted, if madrid or some other team benefitted they would not complain about it or nobody even worried about it..

funny, i'm guessing " in la liga standards" that's not an offside either ? or the Suarez k1 practice ? correct me if i'm wrong... Why barca fans can never see the truth even if it's in front of them. Just say yes we always play 12vs11 when we need good result/comeback and that's it. Every big team gets a lot of help from the refs but Barca is always getting help when in need(ex. when they are drawing or losing a game/qualification) ALWAYS ! If you look at all the other teams they get a penalty here and there when they are leading 3-4-5 nil...it is what it is...remember alba's phantom penalty....what a disgrace...or the chelsea game

valverde shouldn't have changed 442 tactic in the first place.

he's trying it out. give him time. being a barca player requires versatility so he'll adapt nonetheless.

Exactly, they should have chased for that position - a solid CDM or solid def.... the moment Busquet doesn't play or off-form, they rely on individual brilliances instead.

Also Jordi Alba needs to play from the beginning