Better not lose our stars yet again. I really hate the club has invested hundred of millions into a new stadium instead of buying players.
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Better not lose our stars yet again. I really hate the club has invested hundred of millions into a new stadium instead of buying players.
yeah.. Mestalla is fine as it is..
I'd be highly surprised if either Arsenal or Tottenham were offering 25m for Soldado. :p
@Lodatz Soldado is a proven goal scorer. And from what I understand Spurs have been tracking him for a few seasons. 25M is not a crazy amount for him.
I didn't say he's not good. But he's not young, either, and considering the squad we're building, I don't see 25m being shelled out for him. Not when we could go in for someone else. I mean, they wouldn't offer over 15m for Negredo, in January, for instance.
I just would be highly surprised, is all. It's happened before!
Arsenal would never.
Tottenham do need a striker, but I don't think they would shell out 25-30 mil on Soldado. Spurs were/are looking at the younger Damiao anyway.
Idk much about Anzhi.
I think it actually was soldado himself who decliened the deal this time if im not wrong..
gotta like his determination to stay at Valencia.. telling clubs with money not to touch Valencia..
btw: he has a contract for 2017
@Gunner: Exactly. I suspect this is a lot of smoke and mirrors.
I mean, Tottenham and Arsenal were linked with half of Europe, and none of it was true. Media trying sell stuff.
I'm 99% positive that it wasn't Arsenal who put in a bid for Soldado. I heard Spurs were watching him but can't comment on whether that went anywhere. I think Soldado is the man for renewing his contract and staying in Valencia. He is quality that they shouldn't lose.
Spanish club Valencia are in deep financial crisis with debt running into millions. And as the club is preparing to sell their players to generate cash, Tottenham are ready to take advantage of the opportunity. A report in the Metro suggests that the north London club are planning a summer move for striker Roberto Soldado, who could be available in a cut-price deal.
A product of the Real Madrid youth academy, Soldado made his senior debut for the Madrid B-team in 2005. He failed to cement a regular place in the first-team and was shipped off to Osasuna on a season-long loan in 2006. The Spanish international returned to Madrid in 2007 looking to make an impression but after making only 5 La Liga appearances, he joined Getafe in 2008.
Valencia snapped up the player in 2010 where he has developed into one of league’s most potent strikers earning him a recall to the national setup. Soldado has netted 12 goals in 23 league games this season and was reportedly chased by Tottenham last summer too.
Tottenham were unwilling to pay the £20 million asking price for the striker but financial troubles have forced Los Che to reduce their valuation by almost half. Tottenham are seeking to add more firepower upfront and hope that an offer of £8 million could be enough to land Soldado.
I'm sad to hear about the financial state of Valencia, and indeed many of the clubs in La Liga. It is becoming a very worrisome trend and I really would hate a club of that history and class become a finishing school to pay off overdue debt. As for Soldado, I think if it were up to him he would stay. He is an important figure and I think it would be a real blow to the fans if the club were forced to sell him. I am not convinced they;d be ready to part with him for £8, and insulting amount for the quality of player.
Look at last summers transfer window where we bought for more then we sold. We have come a long way from when we had massive debts in 2008.. they club has a plan for paying the debs before 2017 and that doesnt include selling all our players... LLorente (our president) said a few months ago he wants to strenghten the squad. and when they new stadium will be finished in a few years there we will even be having a good economy without sheik money:)..
btw: forget Soldado, Llorente wants more than 30 million Euro to sell him... he has proven that 2 times before rejecting high bids from spurs... Deal with it.
@Foot: It's a situation that will not change in Spain, until the television rights are more evenly distributed. :/
@knibis: Deal with what? Your club were just TAKEN OVER BY THE CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE OF HOW MUCH DEBT YOU ARE IN. Stop living in a fantasy world. Your club has no money, and crippling debt that forced you to sell Villa, Mata and Jordi Alba in the last couple of seasons, among others.
Deal with it, instead of pretending that your players are turning down multi-million deals just because it's what you want to believe.
Remember this? http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/valencia-winger-mata-cools-chelsea-transfer-rumours-1572251
That was when you thought that Mata would never leave.
How about this? http://www.goal.com/en/news/12/spain/2012/06/02/3144433/valencia-and-barcelona-at-loggerheads-over-15m-alba-transfer
That was when you thought that Alba was staying put.
I couldn't even FIND a link about Villa wanting to stay at Valencia. Just stop deluding yourself, because it's all part and parcel of this nonsensical belief you have that somehow, despite the crippling debt that every team except Real and Barca have, despite the fact that all the best stars get bought by other leagues, despite 3 separate leagues all out-performing every Spanish club except Barca, you somehow think that La Liga is the 'best league in the world'.
It's not, and unfortunately, your club is not competitive in either a financial or football sense.
DEAL WITH IT.
Hey Valencia is plentiful competitive. We might not have the best record but we've gone three seasons in a row in third place which in la laiga if you are not Barca or real it's like first place. But I think playing CL knock out stage shows we are competitive. Spurs is in EL this season.
I'm not the one who thinks that Spurs are one of the best teams in Europe (despite recently beating Lyon), but knibis sure does think that Valencia are (despite being seriously lucky to get a goal against PSG and only concede two, at home).
See, raimondo, I like you. You say intelligent things, with real fan passion, and appreciate quality football. I respect your opinion, and you make good points.
Unfortunately, however, on this site you are frequently having to defend the stupid shit that knibis says, just because you support the same club. knibis seriously (I repeat: SERIOUSLY) just tried to claim that Valencia have cured their debt problems, in the very same month that the city council took over executive control of the club because of how badly (and how much debt) the club was being run.
He also seriously attempted to imply that Soldado 'turned down' the chance to play at Spurs, despite EVERY SINGLE article in existence about the matter stating that he said that Valencia did not agree terms, because Spurs did not want to offer what Valencia were asking. Soldado may like Valencia a whole lot (his home town, after all), but the idea that he 'refused' to sign, when Spurs in fact refused to pay what was asked, is just ridiculous. Btw, the entire reason that this 25m figure has come about, is because that's his BUYOUT clause. On a 4-year contract. That doesn't mean that is what was offered for him -- hint: Ronaldo's buyout clause is 1 billion. Look it up.
And now that reports are surfacing that Spurs may well get him at half the price (I'm not saying they will, but if you consider the recent city council issue, it seems pretty likely), knibis' only response is: "Well, I read some article on Goal.com saying that Llorente stood fast!", because of his irrational refusal to admit that the PL is the best league in the world, where many of the world's best players go to if they're not signed by Barca/Real/Bayern.
Seriously, think about the idiocy you're having to defend, just because knibis 'supports' the same club as you (I suspect he watched one CL final in 2002, when he was 9 years old, and that's the only reason he 'supports' Valencia at all).
Yes, I said that Valencia is less competitive, right now. I think, if you're honest, you'd agree. That's not saying that Valencia are bad. But c'mon; they're losing their grip on CL places in Spain, they got taught a lesson by Qatar-- I mean, PSG, and Spurs are on the up.
Just be realistic, man. You're talking to a man whose team has lounged around the relegation zone for many, many years. If anyone knows how to be self-critical, it's Spurs fans. ;)
Btw: it's also bullshit that Valencia bought more than they sold, in the summer:
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/valencia-cf/transfers/verein_1049.html
See, when everything knibis says turns out to be horse-crap, it's time to stop standing by his side, rai.
@Lodatz, We have always been a selling club there has never been anyway to argue that. I mean c'mon we sold Villa, Silva, Mata, Vicente, Juaquin, Pablo and Alba over the past few season. I think the club is gonna have a period of placing 8-5th in the league because the dumbasses up top decided a new stadium was better than handling with debt and bringing talent. I am hoping Soldado stays because he seems loyal and an idol for us. As for the whole Knibis thing just let him be, he is very biased but thats about it.
Meh, I just have a low tolerance for people who talk crap. Differences of opinion are one thing, but if someone insists that grass is not green, or that the sky is not blue, I can't be bothered to be nice about it. That person is just a moron, and I long ago lost the patience to call a spade anything other than a spade.
As it happens, I hope Soldado stays with you guys, because he loves the club, and will play his heart out for you. That's hard to find. Even if we bought him for, say, 10m, he's not a 21 year-old who is looking to make a name for himself. He's a 27 year-old who didn't want to leave.
I'd rather he stayed where he's happy, and we found a striker who wants to give his all for us. But the nonsense from knibis (and yes, the entire reason he started this thread was to try and thumb his nose at the PL) deserves to be exposed for the biased claptrap it is. ;p
@Lodatz: I was with you until you started talking about how "3 other leagues are outperforming" La Liga and how it's not that great and that Valencia aren't competitive. We're talking about financial mismanagement in a troubled country but their football has been pretty damn consistent and they maintained their competitiveness quite well considering the sacrifices they've had to make.
Look, I don't want to get involved in your war of words with Knibis but for someone who claims he dislikes bias I suggest you went a step too far with those statements of your own.
Acording to this article: http://chescandinavia.com/valencia-har-avslatt-bud-verd-50-millioner-euro-for-rami-og-soldado/
and this: http://www.deportevalenciano.com/2013/02/21/llorente-rechaz%C3%B3-una-oferta-de-50-millones-por-rami-y-soldado-de-la-premier-league
A bid from eighter Arsenal or Tottenham has been Declined a bid worth about 30-25 million on Soldado
and a bid on Rami from the russian club Anzi of around 25-20 million has also been declined
The club has confirmed that there has been 2 bids on these 2 players that together becomes 50 million