here we go!

1. David De Gea
2. Stéphane Ruffier
3. Julio Cesar
4. Steve Mandanda
5. Joe Hart
6. Pepe Reina
7. Diego Lopez
8. Roman Weidenfeller
9. Victor Valdes
10. Thibaud Courtois
11. René Adler
12. Federico Marchetti
13. Salvatore Sirigu
14. Samir Handanovič
15. Igor Akinfeev
16. Hugo Lloris
17. Petr Čech
18. Manuel Neuer
19. Iker Casillas
20. Gianluigi Buffon

Courtois is much closer to Cech and Casillas as a goalkeeper than you think. The only reason why still hasn't reached their level is because of his experience compared to theirs. You can't judge them by EA's **** but sometimes good ratings. Valdes should be 82, De Gea 85, Courtois 86, Cech 87, Casillas 86, Buffon 87, Neuer 88. That's how it should be. Hazard and Neymar are each 85 or less and despite it being unfair, its justified. If we make them 86-88, they'll be close to the likes of Ribery, Robben, Iniesta, Mata, Ozil and Bale; which they are not close to in terms of their footballing skill at the moment.

what you said about comparing Hazard and Neymar to Ribery Robben Iniesta etc. is exactly what I am trying to say about Curtois being compared to Casillas and Cech... And also, having one good or bad season doesn't affect the player's talent, just stays as a bad current form which is never reflected in FIFA

It doesn't look like that's what you're trying to say. What you're saying is Courtois does not deserve it because he is not close to Casillas or Cech in your opinion. When really, Courtois has performed phenomenally for both club and country last season. He did better than Valdes, Cech, Hart, Casillas and De Gea last season. Yet you still somehow believe he doesn't deserve it.

Also, having one bad season can heavily affect a person's talent, confidence and reputation at a club. For the young players, they lose a whole lot of experience they could have gained in that season. For the older ones, they just get worse if they don't play often. And they lose confidence during that season. Tell me, did the Casillas in the Confed Cup look anywhere near the Casillas from the 2010 World Cup? Definitely not.

It also is reflected in FIFA. Sure they're crap at reflecting it, but they do it. Look at Torres after multiple bad seasons. Has he really remained the same talent he is? Has he remained the same 89 overall he was at FIFA 11? What about Ba? Or Eto'o? They've all changed due to their bad season(s). And these are only players currently for Chelsea. If I researched enough, I'll find more who went down for bad seasons.

"Tell me, did the Casillas in the Confed Cup look anywhere near the Casillas from the 2010 World Cup? Definitely not."

Well, that could be thanks, in no small part, to the fact that Mourinho refused to play him all season. ;)

Courtois is an awesome young keeper, but no, he's not there yet among Cech, Iker and Gigi. I'd even hesitate to put him with Neuer and Lloris, though certainly on par with Hart and DDG.

Also, why the F is there no Vorm on this list? He's at least better than Pepe-freaking-Reina...

Casillas hasn't even been the same after Mourinho left. So you are right about that. But even before his injury and him being benched for Adan, Casillas wasn't doing a good job between the sticks.

As for Courtois, I never said he is among Cech, Casillas and Buffon. He definitely isn't on there level yet, btut he is much closernto them than you think.

So, according to what you are saying Ven, Just because Curtois performed better than Casillas and Valdes last season he should have the same or a higher overall than them? Then Lopez would have the same overall as Casillas and Ribery would have thte same overall as Messi or Ronaldo?

Also, players are not always affected that much by a bad season as you say they do, it happens sometimes but not that regularly, most of them manage to come back to their top form. And thats why FIFA doesn't change that much the player's overall because of one irregular/bad season.

Lastly, based on your comparison from before, just to be on the same page here, Hazard being compared to Ribery is in my opinion like comparing Curtois to Cech or Casillas despite how good or bad they played last season. (because for me Casillas was never under his regular form but he was benched for other "personal" reasons)

@Tuanis:

"So, according to what you are saying Ven, Just because Curtois performed better than Casillas and Valdes last season he should have the same or a higher overall than them?"

Yes. FIFA's ratings are based on how good a players' performance is during the season. Also, Courtois is already better than Valdes. Why do you think Barcelona have been reportedly chasing him for the past season now? They see him as the upgrade when Valdes leaves.

"Ribery would have thte same overall as Messi or Ronaldo?"

That's different though. Ribery has performed fantastically, but that is mostly due to how well the Bayern team worked together; causing all the starters for that team to perform amazingly. But individually, Ribery is not as good as Messi and Ronaldo. Courtois on the other hand, is pretty close to Cech and Casillas and already thought of a better than almost all the keepers in La Liga, giving a reason to why he deserves a 86 rating.

As for about how players change when they have a bad season, we just have different opinions. From what I've seen when a player suffers a bad form for the whole season, they don't get better, only worse or the same. And FIFA only fail at changing it after its been going on for a while because they're horrible at ratings.

"Lastly, based on your comparison from before, just to be on the same page here, Hazard being compared to Ribery is in my opinion like comparing Curtois to Cech or Casillas despite how good or bad they played last season."

Except Hazard isn't as close to Ribery but on Courtois on the other hand is pretty close to Cech and Casillas.

If you don't believe it then we'll just have to leave it at that because we'll both just stick to our opinions on his ratings. But all the signs are there that Courtois is close to both Cech and Casillas.

1. Mourinho asked Courtois to stay at Chelsea this season to challenge Cech; the guy you think Courtois isn't close to yet.

2. Barcelona are reportedly trying to buy Courtois as the upgrade over Valdes, who he as already surpassed as the better keeper.

3. He was La Liga's best GK last year and it seems he will be again this season with how great he is doing already.

"Why do you think Barcelona have been reportedly chasing him for the past season now? They see him as the upgrade when Valdes leaves."

That's not necessarily how it works. Now, -I- think he is better than Valdes, and -you- think he is better than Valdes, but, Valdes might not think so. ;) They could be interested as a long-term replacement, rather than instant upgrade.

Happens all the time. Why do you think Chelsea bought him? ;)

Providing competition for an established player is not the same as replacing them. Especially for goalkeepers.

*"*Except Hazard isn't as close to Ribery but on Courtois on the other hand is pretty close to Cech and Casillas."

I'm with Tuanis on this one. Hazard --> Ribery seems like a VERY good comparison to Courtois --> Cech, to me.

@Lodatz: Well the reason why I see it as an instant upgrade is because Valdes himself has said he will not renew his contract; meaning Courtois is most likely the target they're looking for.

As for the Hazard/Ribery - Courtois/Cech comparison, I don't see how they're anything alike. Hazard is great but not as close to Ribery when compared to how much closer Courtois is to Cech. I need some sort of explanation to understand how they're alike really :P

Because I don't think Courtois is as close to Cech as you do. It's that simple.

OR. Do I rate Hazard more highly than you?

WE MAY NEVER KNOW!

(sorry, I've had beer)

I don't get how you people think he isn't close to Cech. Mourinho himself thinks so to if he was willing to let Courtois challenge Cech for the #1 spot this season. As for Hazard, I think he is one of the best wingers in Europe right now but he doesn't match up to Ribery just yet. Hazard did amazingly for his first season with Chelsea, but Rbery is still way above his level. Who knows, maybe you do rate Hazard more highly than me :/

In the meanwhile, enjoy this:

That's pretty funny but nothing beats this:

This.

HANDANOVIC should be 85