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This is why I believe Courtois should be our #1 GK
Vendetta 11 years ago
Chelsea FC, Egypt 202 3025

To think he can pull all this off at the age of 22. Think of how amazing he'll be in 6 years! And this video is still missing a lot more of his amazing saves. Like his triple save vs Betis for example.

I definitely would let him start for us right now, even if it means Cech will have to go (;_;).

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kambingku 11 years ago
Chelsea FC, Germany 24 214

but i think cech still have more to give to chelsea. he is on his way to break EPL all time clean sheets record. keep cech for few more seasons, and then bring courtois back to take over from him

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Vendetta 11 years ago
Chelsea FC, Egypt 202 3025

I don't think Courtois wants to be loaned again next season. If Chelsea don't want to give up on Cech either then we should let them challenge for the GK like Cudicini and Cech did.

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Lodatz 11 years ago
Tottenham Hotspur, England 150 4992

I don't like being the party pooper, but, did no-one else notice how many of these were shots which were blasted right at him, and more often than not you'd expect a top-class keeper to catch them rather than parry them?

Like, say, this guy:

And that's just this current season, instead of a 'best ever' compilation.

Courtois is going to be one of the best goalkeepers in the world, possibly his generation, but the calls for him to replace Cech are premature. Cech is still, rightly and rightfully, Chelsea's #1.

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FredTilson 11 years ago
Manchester City, France 61 769

@Lodatz - I would disagree, even if for the short run Cech is a slight upgrade over Courtois, Chelsea should (and will probably) still take the plunge and bring Courtois in next season because in the long run, it will pay rich dividends. Courtois can't be loaned to Atletico again, I don't see any other CL clubs wanting a keeper on loan. So they will bite the bullet. Cech can still go to a club like AC Milan or Monaco which are looking for new keepers and play the top level for 4-5 more years.

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Vendetta 11 years ago
Chelsea FC, Egypt 202 3025

@Fred: ^This a hundred times over. +1

@Lodatz: While you do have a point that a lot of the shots in Courtois' video were lasted at him, it was also clear that those shots still would have reached the back of the net if it wasn't for his quick reflexes (ask the Valencia fans in this forum, Courtois was the main reason they lost to Atletico in the Copa Del Rey). Plus, Courtois is acknowledged by most La Liga fans as the best GK at handling so he doesn't only parry like you say ;).

As for the Cech video, it truly does show useful he can be to us when we're in deep sh*t and we're grateful to have him save us week in week out. But wouldn't Courtois do the same if he was our GK? Considering how well Atletico's defense has been and how much weaker mid-table teams in La Liga are compared to the ones in the EPL (my own opinion, no disrespect La Liga fans) it's no wonder Cech has made more world-class saves than Courtois this season.

The only thing Cech offers over Courtois is leadership and we have plenty of that in Lampard, Ivanovic, Cahill, Luiz and Terry. I don't believe that experience makes the difference because if that were the case then Courtois wouldn't be nearly equal to Cech right now at the age of 22.

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AlexBatak 11 years ago
Chelsea, Italy 204 2707

Mourinho made a quote that says he will keep Cech for next season, so he can break the EPL record. and I fully agree with him. as for Courtois he can come back if he agrees to play in the Capital One Cup, FA Cup & Champions league, while Cech play all the EPL games for the next season.

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Lodatz 11 years ago
Tottenham Hotspur, England 150 4992

@Vendetta:

"Plus, Courtois is acknowledged by most La Liga fans as the best GK at handling so he doesn't only parry like you say ;)."

I didn't say that he only parries at all. I said that in this video, which you linked to showcase his talents, he spends a lot of time parrying shots that you would expect a top-class keeper to hold onto. It doesn't really matter what you say that most La Liga fans acknowledge; it's not a league known for goalkeeping excellence, aside from Casillas. What looks 'world-class' at Atletico looks like Michel Vorm does at Swansea, or what Jaaskeleinen has been doing for years.

"But wouldn't Courtois do the same if he was our GK?"

Well, no. And that was kind of the point of showing the difference between the 'Best Ever' reel of Courtois and merely the best of this current season for Cech, and how Cech's video still looks better.

"it's no wonder Cech has made more world-class saves than Courtois this season."

Well, yes. Because Cech has been playing at a world-class level for years. That's, again, part of my point. All this talk of how Courtois is now Chelsea's best goalie is reliant upon his performance in a league in which you agree he's not facing the same standard. Hence why I said it's all premature. Cech is still, undeniably, the better goalkeeper. And by a larger distance than I think some people realize, for all the plaudits Courtois is winning in Spain.

Of course, he's only 22. He will grow in ability and stature, and I still think it's obvious he'll be one of the greats of his generation, but, that time is not upon us.

"The only thing Cech offers over Courtois is leadership "

...as well as finer awareness and positioning, more athleticism, greater experience, an enviable penalty saving record...

There's not really an area in which Courtois is, yet, a better goalkeeper than Cech. It's all in the potential.

"if that were the case then Courtois wouldn't be nearly equal to Cech right now at the age of 22."

You're right, it wouldn't be the case. Which is why it's not, in fact, the case. That's what the video was intended to show, and I think illustrates it quite clearly.

It's too soon. Cech is still clearly the better goalkeeper, in every department. Of course, if you want to follow Fred's advice and ship him off to make room, then I guess that's what will happen. Just doesn't seem like the wisest move, ultimately, to me. Club legends pay off in more ways than one.

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Vendetta 11 years ago
Chelsea FC, Egypt 202 3025

Well alright, that's your opinion and I respect that. You made some good points about why Cech should still start but I don't think they're important when comparing him with Courtois.

@Alex: Source?

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Lodatz 11 years ago
Tottenham Hotspur, England 150 4992

...how are they not important?

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AlexBatak 11 years ago
Chelsea, Italy 204 2707

Source? Everyone. he said it in the interview. Let me find his quotes.

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AlexBatak 11 years ago
Chelsea, Italy 204 2707

Belgian keeper Thibaut Courtois, currently on loan with Atletico Madrid for a third season, is expected to be Cech’s long-term successor.

There has been speculation over whether Courtois, 21, will return to Stamford Bridge next season – but Mourinho insists the current number one still has plenty to offer.

He said: “Petr is at the best stage for a goalkeeper – between the age of 30-35.”And Mourinho expects Cech to stay as number one long enough to beat David James’ Premier League record of 169 clean sheets.

The Czech Republic international now has 150 top-flight shut-outs.“It is almost 10 years playing at the top – since 2004,” Mourinho declared.

“Clean sheet after clean sheet and he beats the record of Mr Bonetti, and probably next year he will beat the record of the Premier League.”

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Lodatz 11 years ago
Tottenham Hotspur, England 150 4992

How did Calamity James manage to rack up 169 clean sheets?? That's like Heskey being the Premier League's top scorer!

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AlexBatak 11 years ago
Chelsea, Italy 204 2707

^ lol just my thought right now! :)) But look he played 572 matches.. That's why! But..still.

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Vendetta 11 years ago
Chelsea FC, Egypt 202 3025

@Lodatz: Well...

"as well as finer awareness and positioning, more athleticism, greater experience, an enviable penalty saving record..."

Be honest with me, how many times have you actually seen Courtois play in a match and not just seen him from a YouTube video? Courtois' awarness, positioning, athleticism is just as good as Cech's. In fact, I would say Courtois' awareness and positioning is one of the best in the world right now.

"What looks 'world-class' at Atletico looks like Michel Vorm does at Swansea, or what Jaaskeleinen has been doing for years."

You're underrating the goalkeeping La Liga.

" 'Best Ever' reel of Courtois and merely the best of this current season for Cech, and how Cech's video still looks better."

It's not a 'Best Ever' reel. Most of those saves were from the 2013/14 season or the end of the 2012/13 season. Putting that aside, it's expected that there's a video of Cech's season so far and not Courtois'. Chelsea are a much more popular team worldwide and that invites youtubers like thelb7i to make full videos of most of his saves this season. If I was motivated enough, I'd have put in much more saves in Courtois' video (and all from the 2013/14)

"All this talk of how Courtois is now Chelsea's best goalie is reliant upon his performance in a league in which you agree he's not facing the same standard."

And what about when Cech just joined Chelsea from the French first division? Did anyone make any comments about how he'll face tougher times because it's the EPL? No he shined right from the start when he joined Chelsea. Look, all you need as a GK to succeed in the EPL is world class positioning, reflexes, awareness, and athleticism. Cech, Schmeichel, and Van Der Sar all had that and made an immediate impact in their team when they joined the EPL. So what makes Courtois different? When he starts for Chelsea he'll shine just like he does with Atletico right now.

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Vendetta 11 years ago
Chelsea FC, Egypt 202 3025

@Alex: I think that quote was something said at the spur of the moment and not meant to be taken too seriously. Mourinho says a lot of stuff in which in the end he doesn't really mean it.

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AlexBatak 11 years ago
Chelsea, Italy 204 2707

Calm down guys ok here is what Mourinho said about Cech and Courtois stop arguing, because both are great.

"The guy is fantastic. Again, the work ethic is amazing, the way he works and the way he lives. He's a very young goalkeeper at 30.

"I don't think many would disagree that we have the best goalkeeper in the world, and the best young goalkeeper in the world. If someone disagrees, it's not by far.

As for you Vendetta you really want to let Cech go now? really? after all what he has done for us?

Cech can stay as much as he wants, he is our legend and still in top form. The best way to bring back Courtois is to play him in the Capital Cup One, FA Cup & Champions League matches while Cech playing the EPL matches. That will be fair enough. other than that, he can stay at Atlatico Madrid on loan for one more year.

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AlexBatak 11 years ago
Chelsea, Italy 204 2707

"Mourinho says a lot of stuff in which in the end he doesn't really mean it."

"Azpi is better than A. Cole"

What is next Vendetta? I hope you are trolling. Because if not then I doubt your knowledge or support to Chelsea.

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Lodatz 11 years ago
Tottenham Hotspur, England 150 4992

"Be honest with me, how many times have you actually seen Courtois play in a match and not just seen him from a YouTube video?"

About 5 or 6 times. Be honest with me: how many imes have you actually watched him in a match, instead of Youtube, too? ;)

"In fact, I would say Courtois' awareness and positioning is one of the best in the world right now."

Based upon what? I mean, we can all say stuff, but, unless there's any reason to believe that stuff is the case, it's just stuff, V-man. And I think that a lot of 'stuff' has been said about Courtois which is not necessarily true.

"You're underrating the goalkeeping La Liga."

Am I? Please explain, because when Courtois has been hailed as the best keeper in Spain, and his saves are what you'd expect from at least 6 or 7 goalkeepers in the PL (such as, say: Vorm, Krul, Lloris, De Gea, Cech, Jaaskeleinen and Hart), it doesn't seem like there's much to argue about.

"It's not a 'Best Ever' reel. Most of those saves were from the 2013/14 season or the end of the 2012/13 season. "

Seemed like one. Still doesn't change the fact that Cech's looks better, even at the ripe old age he's at.

" If I was motivated enough, I'd have put in much more saves in Courtois' video (and all from the 2013/14)"

And when you do, you'll have actual footage to make your case for you. :) Until then, if this is the 'best' that there is, then it's by no means a display of why he should be ousting a man whose own 'best' from the same period is visibly superior.

"And what about when Cech just joined Chelsea from the French first division? Did anyone make any comments about how he'll face tougher times because it's the EPL? "

Well, for a start, yes they did. Secondly, he came in (and was bought) off the back of a simply stupendous Euro 2004 performance, where he won goalkeeper of the tournament. I haven't seen Courtois do that, but hey, there's time. I'm not sure what point is actually being made by bringing this up, but it merely serves to highlight how exceptional and rare Cech's instant success was.

"Schmeichel, and Van Der Sar all had that and made an immediate impact in their team when they joined the EPL."

Well, for one thing, in Peter Schmeichel you're talking about probably the greatest goalkeeper of the entire modern era, and Edwin Vn Der Sar had been considered one of Europe's top goalkeepers for years before joining United (CL winner at Ajax, long spell at Juventus) and had actually already been bedded into the Premier League at Fulham, first.

A bit different to Courtois.

And besides, none of this is to say that Courtois is not a great keeper. As I have continually said, he is going to become one of the best in the world, and of his generation, But, he's not there yet, and there's not really a good reason I can think of why Chelsea should shove off their current keeper, who IS one of the best in the world, and of his generation, and is still a good measure better than Courtois.

You're attacking arguments which have not been made. I simply said that Cech is still better, and is still clearly the better choice for Chelsea.

But, if you must know, I think even Mignolet is playing better than Courtois, right now, as can be seen here:

How come most of those saves puts most of Courtois' to shame?

Maybe, the reason is that Courtois is not yet as good as you're making him out to be?

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Vendetta 11 years ago
Chelsea FC, Egypt 202 3025

"The best way to bring back Courtois is to play him in the Capital Cup One, FA Cup & Champions League matches while Cech playing the EPL matches."

That's an insult to someone as talented as Courtois. You need to look at it from a logical point of view. Stick with a keeper that will give us 3-5 more years or switch with a really talented keeper who can be the best of his generation and will give us 10+ years. Courtois is one of the most talented prospects in the world right now, top 5 imo. Selling him would be the biggest mistake Chelsea ever made.


"Mourinho says a lot of stuff in which in the end he doesn't really mean it."

"Azpi is better than A. Cole"

What is next Vendetta? I hope you are trolling. Because if not then I doubt your knowledge or support to Chelsea.


That's pretty rude to say because of my opinion on Azpi being better and Cole and the fact that is Mourinho is not a man of his word causes you to doubt my support to Chelsea.

Honestly, Mourinho has told us he'd play De Bruyne and Mata more. But he's done neither of those two and is actually selling him. He's also stated he hates diving and heavily criticized Suarez (when he didn't dive) only to lightly lecture Oscar after his horrendous dive. There's more examples I can give you (even some from Madrid and Inter).

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AlexBatak 11 years ago
Chelsea, Italy 204 2707

@Vendetta

"Mourinho has told us he'd play De Bruyne and Mata more."

Yes, he did. and he gave them a chance and they didn't prove themselves or give him a reason to play them over Willian, Oscar & Hazard. What do you want from him? to keep playing them and drop points? he is not that immature. He knows what he is doing.

Mate, I love Courtois, but Cech is not willing to move now and he is in good form not that he lost his magic. and he should break the EPL record before he move or retire.

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