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Spanish midfield?
quikzyyy 12 years ago Edited
Arsenal 429 9010

Premier League goals:
Mata - 11
Silva - 4
Cazorla - 12

Premier League assists:
Mata - 12
Silva - 7
Cazorla - 11

Premier League chances created:
Mata - 91
Silva - 94
Cazorla - 97

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Premier League goals:
Mata - 11
Silva - 4
Cazorla - 12

Premier League assists:Mata - 12
Silva - 7
Cazorla - 11

Premier League chances created:Mata - 91
Silva - 94
Cazorla - 97

Comments
ramaboy10 12 years ago
Mauritius 285 6463

^ I see where you are coming from, but I have realized Busquets has been played the role of CDM and therefore Xavi has been forced to play on the left/right. This means he has to play im similar ways to Mata.

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ikoiko 12 years ago
Arsenal, Spain 53 853

AlexBatak, I've got to stand up for Sevilla. Sevilla and Spurs would be a hell of a match, don't let the table fool you. You're not helping your point either because Chelsea are a PL club too.

No doubt that the PL is overall a stronger league compared to La Liga, but in that sense La Liga is also underrated by many people. Sevilla is sitting on a comfy 8th place at the moment. Not too long ago so was Liverpool, and we all know the quality they can produce, but since Sevilla is shadowed by the idea that La Liga is a mediocre league, then it's going to rub off that Sevilla isn't up to par with Liverpool, or Spurs, but I do think that they can all produce great quality football and are a great match for one another. Jesus Navas is one of the best wingers in La Liga. Sevilla also has the likes of Kondogbia, and aggressive, more defensive midfielder with a dribble in him. Rakitic who's a quick playmaker and freekicker, as well as Reyes. Gary el loco Medel...

I'm a fan of Sevilla's attacking football and see them fit to give Spurs a good fight.

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knibis 12 years ago
Valencia, Sweden 181 2500

"No doubt that the PL is overall a stronger league compared to La Liga"

about that...

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ikoiko 12 years ago
Arsenal, Spain 53 853

Elaborate my friend

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Lodatz 12 years ago
Tottenham Hotspur, England 150 4992

@ikoiko: No-one says that La Liga is crap. It's just that only an idiot thinks it is a stronger league than the PL.

I mean, when Barcelona and Real are taking turns breaking goalscoring and points-scoring records on the rest of the league every season, and yet the PL teams they face are easily on an equal footing with them, it says it all.

Consider Real Madrid. Have not been seen in a CL final for over a decade. Sure they've gotten to the semis for the last 3 seasons, but mainly thanks to Mourinho. Guillem Balague (laughably) called this Real side the 'greatest Madrid side in history', because of the 100-points tally, and yet even this 'greatest' team needed a dodgy red card to scrape past a superior Man United, nearly lost to Galatassaray(!), and got served by BVB.

Now consider Barcelona. Aside from having the greatest club side of all time from 2009-2011, they've actually had their butts handed to them by the PL on many occasions -- PL teams knocked them out of the CL 5 out of the last 9 seasons. And this is the same Barcelona who are about to equal that 100-point tally in La Liga.

When the best two teams in Spain are head and shoulders above every other Spanish team, and yet have to stand on equal footing with the Top 4 of England, and just recently got spanked by the best two of Germany...

...then how the hell can anyone other than a biased fanboy (or someone who hates England) claim that it is a better league?

It isn't. It just happens to have Barcelona in it. The only Spanish team to reach CL finals in the last ten years, while 4 different teams from England have made 8 appearances in them.


As for Spurs vs Sevilla, I think you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned Liverpool. In 2007, while Sevilla were in the EL final, Liverpool were in the CL final. Now look at both of them. Would you say that Liverpool could compete with the Top 4 of Spain?

Probably. However, they're 7th in the PL. That tells you something.

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knibis 12 years ago
Valencia, Sweden 181 2500

dude you are grown up with PL of course you think that.. but how can you be so ignorant that you think only an idiot can think that the officially (acording to UEFA) worlds best league is the best league in the world.. besides many people i know who watch many leagues doesnt share your brainwashed PL mind..

Spain has the highest number of EL victorys and the highest number of CL victorys since it started in 1992..
Whe all have seen how teams like Atletic own their English counterparts when they both sides play football..
the 2012 semis 9 of 10 games that played exactly like that game in barcelona and barcelona would win. Chelsea got lucky, that 1 of 10 game. Chelsea won playing chicken football.. that kind of football maybe sometimes work in cups but in leagues where there are 38 matches...? they finished 6th if i arnt wrong and they would finish lower in La Liga and bundesliga...

Remembere arsenal who tried to play football against Barca.. yeah...

In EL that year. 3 spanish teams in Semi finals.. that teels you class of the middle teams when we see the class of the top teams where spain again has the highest number of CL trophys.

Since 2000 there have been 8 years with 1 or more soanish teams in the final and england 7..

and no i dont think liverpool could compete with the top of spain even if they were in 2007 seven form a league is more matches to play and would be harder...

wait.. why am i arguing with the guy who think shots on goal is exactly everything to how good a team was in a game

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knibis 12 years ago
Valencia, Sweden 181 2500

Im not saying a friendly is a big deal and the best indicator but the the spanish 5th team did beat the english 5th team last summer in a friendly

do i have to mention La Liga is on the top of the coffcient ranking again...?
...
and oh wait.. an last second goal keept 3 spanish teams from reaching semis this year..

Didnt La Ligas second best ( i think they even was third at the time) team beat your best team in Oldtrafford in CL

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Lodatz 12 years ago
Tottenham Hotspur, England 150 4992

"Spain has the highest number of EL victorys"

And? Congratulations on winning 2nd-tier competitions, against the likes of Middlesborough. You realize that Wigan will be in it next year too, right? If Sociedad beat them, will you claim a famous victory? LOL. You notice that THIS season, for the first time in forever, English teams took it seriously, and oh look... an English team won it. I noticed you ran out of the TalkRoom when Ivanovic scored, because you didn't have the balls or the integrity to even congratulate a Chelsea fan. Pathetic.

"highest number of CL victorys since it started in 1992.."

Um, that's because that was 20 years ago. In the last 10 years? Oh, look, ONLY Barcelona have made a real dent in the competition. Whereas 4 different English teams have been to finals, and 3 of them have won. :) That means we have the stronger league right now.

"Whe all have seen how teams like Atletic own their English counterparts when they both sides play football.."

Oh, sure, in a game that Chelsea treated as a glorified friendly, having just lost half their first XI, and Athletico treated as the biggest game of their entire history. LOL.

"the 2012 semis 9 of 10 games that played exactly like that game in barcelona and barcelona would win. Chelsea got lucky, that 1 of 10 game"

You really think so? Maybe they'd get a player sent off in every one of those other games, too, which would surely help. ;) Funny how you just can't ever admit that Chelsea beat Barca fair and square, playing better football. That's what Chelsea actually did; you'd understand this if you understood football, and how defense is an art form every bit as important as offense, but, you don't. Perhaps it would have been 'fairer' if Chelsea had decided to play in a way which made it easier for Barcelona? LOL. Btw, remember the 5 penalties that shuold have been given in 2009? You idiot.

"they finished 6th if i arnt wrong and they would finish lower in La Liga and bundesliga... "

Sure, because winning the CL and EL in back-to-back seasons is what all the teams in Spain manage to do. ;) You do realize that even when Guardiola was in charge, Barca never beat Chelsea in a single game? Ever?

And yet you think they'd be scared of fu.cking Sevilla. LOL

"Remembere arsenal who tried to play football against Barca.. yeah..."

Yes, I remember that they actually beat Barcelona at home, and have drawn with them, both in huge knock-out matches. How many Spanish teams can say that? ;)

"In EL that year. 3 spanish teams in Semi finals.. that teels you class of the middle teams when we see the class of the top teams where spain again has the highest number of CL trophys."

Except for the fact that they were your BEST teams, aside from Barca and Real. ;) Playing against the likes of Stoke. LOL. When are you ever going to realize that this makes your league look BAD, not good? ;)

"since 2000 there have been 8 years with 1 or more soanish teams in the final and england 7.

Um, since 2002, there has been only 3 for Spain, and.... 7 for England.

So... in the last decade, England have been twice as good as Spain. :)

"and no i dont think liverpool could compete with the top of spain even if they were in 2007 seven form a league is more matches to play and would be harder..."

Oh, but you think that Sevilla would be able to do so in England, right? Because.... oh yeah, because you don't kow anything about the English league, and a are biased La Liga fan boy who hates England.

"wait.. why am i arguing with the guy who think shots on goal is exactly everything to how good a team was in a game"

I don't know. You always lose, so, you might as well give up.

Troll.

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Lodatz 12 years ago
Tottenham Hotspur, England 150 4992

"Didnt La Ligas second best ( i think they even was third at the time) team beat your best team in Oldtrafford in CL"

Didn't they need a dodgy red card, because they were easily second-best up until that point?

It's like you don't event think before you type.

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knibis 12 years ago
Valencia, Sweden 181 2500

sorry dodgy red card hahah,, the intention of the tackle doesnt count

why im I talking to someone who doesnt even know the difference between atletic and atletico?

Chelsea got 1 player send off was their own fault last year

Chelsea has not played football against a barcelona side and won 4-1 in a Cl semi like we did in 2001

Barcelona and real has not dominated copa del rey and been beaten in a 2-legger many times. Look up CdR winners since 2000

many small spanish teams beat barca and real at home

spains EL victorys show class of non Barca real teams..

Valencia beat a stoke and one of you commentators said months before that it would be an impossible game away in brittania stadium. he said barcelona couldnt win there...

"Oh, but you think that Sevilla would be able to do so in England, right? Because.... oh yeah, because you don't kow anything about the English league, and a are biased La Liga fan boy who hates England. "

then i could say the exact same thing against you but reversed

and the thing were you compered sevilla with chelsea..i didnt do that... did you read my text, go back and do that...

calling someone a troll for expressing a 100% legit opinion only add to the level of your ignorance

you have failed here im sorry

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AlexBatak 12 years ago
Chelsea, Italy 204 2707

@Knibis Chelsea owned Barcelona on head to head matches big time. If it wasn't for the help of *UEFA* Spanish clubs wouldn't even compete at all in it. check all the records before you talk bs about something you don't know. or even watch youtube videos of matches you have forgotten about. I won't bother much to explain *Because I believe it's more than obvious to everyone except you* I know that you love La Liga but you need to calm down while talking about the EPL :)

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Lodatz 12 years ago
Tottenham Hotspur, England 150 4992

"sorry dodgy red card hahah,, the intention of the tackle doesnt count"

No, but the contact does. And it was never a red card in a million years. Even Mourinho admits this, Why can't you?

"Chelsea got 1 player send off was their own fault last year"

Doesn't change the fact that they beat Barcelona with 10 men. And without any of their club's entire central defender roster on the pitch. AND they scored the two best goals of the game. And they did this at the Camp Nou (remember, Barcelona failed to score at Stamford Bridge).

LOL.

"Chelsea has not played football against a barcelona side and won 4-1 in a Cl semi like we did in 2001"

Yes, and before 2004, Barcelona were a joke of a team. What exactly has Valencia done since 2002? Answer: NOTHING. What have Chelsea done? Won 3 league titles, been in 2 CL finals, and won 1 CL title. Oh, and managed to rack up more wins against the greatest Barcelona side of all time.

"Barcelona and real has not dominated copa del rey and been beaten in a 2-legger many times. Look up CdR winners since 2000"

Why should I? What about the Copa del Rey is meant to be that important? Should I point out the FA Cup winners for you? ;)

"many small spanish teams beat barca and real at home"

Which must be why Barca and Real have broken the points record 3 seasons in a row against them. ;) LOL

"spains EL victorys show class of non Barca real teams.."

...against teams who are not on the level of the big boys. Notice that while Spain's 3rd, 4th and 5th best teams were enjoying success in the EL, England's Top 4 (and those close to it) were getting to 8 CL final slots. You pillock.

"Valencia beat a stoke and one of you commentators said months before that it would be an impossible game away in brittania stadium. he said barcelona couldnt win there.."

Exactly. You beat Stoke. STOKE. Who gives a shit what some commentator said? You played STOKE. And you only managed to scrape it. Against STOKE.

LMAO.

"and the thing were you compered sevilla with chelsea..i didnt do that... did you read my text, go back and do that..."

You're the one who thinks that Sevilla could challenge for the PL title, despite the fact that the PL's 6th best team last year won the CL. ;)


You lose. Again. :) Troll.

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Lodatz 12 years ago
Tottenham Hotspur, England 150 4992

@Alex: we can break this whole thing down to one laughable example.

Last year, Chelsea, with 10 men, and none of their central defenders on the pitch, managed to beat the greatest side in the history of Spanish football, AND score the two best goals of the game.

knibis calls that 'lucky'.

This year, Real Madrid, who had less possession, fewer shots, and were losing to a comfortable Man United team, needed United to go DOWN to 10 men, and then only managed to equalize when United were in shock thanks to a wondergoal by Modric, who they imported from Tottenham.

knibis thinks that shows how Real were 'better'.

He will never understand this. He will never get it. He just doesn;t have the brainpower to process this most obvious display of bias. But thankfully, we don't need him to. We just need everyone else to see it, so that we can ignore him as a troll.

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AlexBatak 12 years ago
Chelsea, Italy 204 2707

This is the record of your best club in your league's history Knibis against I wouldn't say the best club in England, yet we owned them http://www.chelsea-mad.co.uk/head_to_head/barcelona/vs/chelsea/index.shtml and also watch the highlights of these matches to know more about how *UEFA* helped you in some of them.

Also http://www.chelsea-mad.co.uk/head_to_head/valencia/vs/chelsea/index.shtml You can see that Valencia have never won against Chelsea.

Lucky when it's only 1 time win. But not 5 or 9 times in a row in The Champions league..

Not to mention that Bayern and Dortmund humiliated the only best 2 clubs in La Liga this year in a very serious competition and infront of millions. Even if they played against any of EPL top 10 they wouldn't score this much of goals against them.. mind you on head to head match they wouldn't win against our top 6.

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Dynastian98 12 years ago
Real Madrid 483 7140

@Lodatz

Madrid of 2011-12 are not the same as Madrid 2012-13. Last season we didn't have a "division" in the dressing room as evident as today. Last season, our players were all in-form, and we were incredibly lucky to have both Higuain and Benzema scored 25+ goals in one season. Last season, CR was on FIRE, and it was an outstanding season for us. As for the CL, we lost to Bayern, who are the best team in the world right now. And we lost to them on PENALTIES.

I'm not saying that Real are the best team in Europe or anything like that. I'm saying that they aren't as bad as you make them look like in their comments. This season, I'd gladly admit that they are sh*t and got rather lucky in the CL. But last season, we were outstanding, and very UNLUCKY to lose out to Bayern (people forget that we had a Clasico sandwiched between the Bayern games).

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Lodatz 12 years ago
Tottenham Hotspur, England 150 4992

@Dynast: I apologize if I made it sound as though I think Real are crap. That's not how I meant it.

My point was merely that the hoopla about La Liga is basically based around Barcelona's amazing success, and now the fact that Real appear to have caught up with them. And in both cases, while you two have been destroying everything in Spain, on the continent things have been a little different.

As a result, when Guillem Balague calls this the 'greatest Madrid side ever', I have to just shake my head. Or laugh, one of the two. I think the Vulture's Cohort might have something to say about that, along with such lesser folk as Di Stefano, Puskas, Raul and Zidane. ;)

If you guys just broke the all-time points-scoring record last season, and yet still haven't gotten to a final for over a decade, this is NOT a good sign of the strength of the Spanish league, basically.

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ramaboy10 12 years ago
Mauritius 285 6463

How 'bout I put it this way:

La Liga < Premier league

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JuanMata10 12 years ago
Chelsea, Austria 17 1696

@Lodatz: Nice to see a Spurs fan defending Chelsea, thanks man =)

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