Referee time : Red or Yellow ?

tiki_taka 10 years ago

Barcelona, France 367 9768

Marchisio is a red, he had the intention to hurt, Matuidi was late i dont even see why there is a debate here.
For the dirtiest team, i think that was Honduras due to their lak of quality, they prefered to go directly on physical battle but i understand other points mostly influenced by Wc results and nations supported.

I dont see any similarities with Marchisio tackle, in Football we always judge on the players intention, handball, dive or tackle, the sanction is different judging on intentions.

shpalman 10 years ago

AC Milan, Italy 55 2252

@Tiki
you're obviously being biased.

tiki_taka 10 years ago Edited

Barcelona, France 367 9768

Well i think you are the biased one, Uruguay is out and still being bashed everyday...
Show me the similarity of a late tackle and an intentional one, i am all yours.

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2014-07-01 20:20:12

Well i think you are the biased one, Uruguay is out and still being bashed everyday...

shpalman 10 years ago Edited

AC Milan, Italy 55 2252

quote: "i'm all yours"

no thanks. see, is not that because a very dangerous type of foul isn't intentional, then becomes automatically justifiable. *hint*

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2014-07-01 20:24:00

quote: "i'm all yours"

no thanks.

tiki_taka 10 years ago Edited

Barcelona, France 367 9768

I knew you couldnt anyway, you are welcome.

Edit : I see you edited, that was useless anyway...

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2014-07-01 20:24:44

I knew you couldnt anyway, you are welcome.

shpalman 10 years ago

AC Milan, Italy 55 2252

not-gonna-fall-for-it, and stop the gimmicks in there already ;)

Marcus2011 10 years ago

Chelsea FC, England 277 6501

Marchisio foul was intentional . He even gave it more power . It is so obvious . When you intend to harm another player intentionally , it is most of the time a red card , especially if it is such obvious one . Right in front of the referee . Marchisio is one dumb player to that in front referee . His stupidity cost Italy qualification .

shpalman 10 years ago Edited

AC Milan, Italy 55 2252

@Marcus
hey hey... what are we talking about here? we're talking about Matuidi foul. saying that's not a red it's a biased opinion. that's why i called Tiki biased, because of Matuidi, not Marchisio. <---do not understand this simple line? go back and read again. i wrote my comment in the previous page, and i've said that they're both reds.

does that sound biased to you? why this little straw-man fallacy theater here? i said it was a red, what about reading stuff before writing?

on a side note: Marchisio gave more power than Matuidi? be serious dude. going out of logic only to go against someone you don't clearly like, isn't a wise thing to do. stick to the facts. Matuidi was a straight red, who says otherwise is biased or just wants to bother people.

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2014-07-02 14:14:31

@Marcushey hey... what are we talking about here? we're talking about Matuidi foul. saying that's not a red it's a biased opinion. that's why i called Tiki biased, because of Matuidi, not Marchisio. <---do not understand this simple line? go back and read again. i wrote my comment in the previous page, and i've said that they're both reds.

does that sound biased to you? why this little straw-man fallacy theater here? i said it was a red, what about reading stuff before writing?

on a side note: Marchisio gave more power than Matuidi? be serious dude. going out of logic only to go against someone you don't clearly like, isn't a wise thing to do. stick to the facts. Matuidi was a straight red, who says otherwise is biased or just want to bother people.

2014-07-02 14:14:31

@Marcus
hey hey... what are we talking about here? we're talking about Matuidi foul. saying that's not a red it's a biased opinion. that's why i called Tiki biased, because of Matuidi, not Marchisio. <---do not understand this simple line? go back and read again. i wrote my comment in the previous page, and i've said that they're both reds.

does that sound biased to you? why this little straw-man fallacy theater here? i said it was a red, what about reading stuff before writing?

on a side note: Marchisio gave more power than Matuidi? be serious dude. going out of logic only to go against someone you don't clearly like, isn't a wise thing to do. stick to the facts. Matuidi was a straight red, who says otherwise is biased or just want to bother people.

netsten 10 years ago

Chelsea, Belgium 44 992

@Tiki sorry bro, but it's a straight RED, Matuidi broke Onazi's leg and you're trying to find him excuses. Intentional or not it's a red card, period.

tiki_taka 10 years ago Edited

Barcelona, France 367 9768

@Netsten i dont agree, the injury is taking you from objectivity, what would you say if he continued the game ?
That was an accident, if you want to give a red for a late tackle thats your view and you know mine Netsten...

For Shpalmann maybe if you argue respectfully, conversation would be much better.
Anyway it doesnt matter Marchisio is out of the race and Matuidi will play against Germany, hopefully man of the game ;).

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2014-07-02 17:16:43

@Netsten i dont agree, the injury is taking you from objectivity, what would you say if he continued the game ?
That was an accident, if you want to give a red for a late tackle thats your view and you know mine Netsten...

For Shpalmann maybe if you argue without respectfully, conversation would be much better.
Anyway it doesnt matter Marchisio is out of the race and Matuidi will play against Germany, hopefully man of the game ;).

2014-07-02 17:16:43

@Netsten i dont agree, the injury is taking you from objectivity, what would you say if he continued the game ?
That was an accident, if you want to give a red for a late tackle thats your view and you know mine Netsten...

For Shpalmann maybe if you argu respectfully, conversation would be much better.
Anyway it doesnt matter Marchisio is out of the race and Matuidi will play against Germany, hopefully man of the game ;).

netsten 10 years ago

Chelsea, Belgium 44 992

@Tiki I'd have given the red even if Onazi had continued to play, I'd give even more the red card seeing the consequences of this attack.

Lodatz 10 years ago

Tottenham Hotspur, England 150 4992

Being an accident does not stop it being a red. It's called Reckless Play.

shpalman 10 years ago Edited

AC Milan, Italy 55 2252

@Tiki:

ok, pal, let's recap keeping in mind that i wrote that for me are both red, in the previous page of this thread.

Tiki: "Marchisio is a red, he had the intention to hurt, Matuidi was late i dont even see why there is a debate here."
Me: "you're obviously being biased."
Tiki: "you are the biased one(?), Show me the similarity of a late tackle and an intentional one, i am all yours."
Me: "no thanks" (and gave you an hint)
Tiki: "I knew you couldnt anyway"
[...]
Tiki: "For Shpalmann maybe** if you argue respectfully, conversation would be much better**."

see those 3 lines above? the ones i made in bold, those are provocations, furthermore with the latter being also a shameless lie. do you think that people are stupid and are going to fall for it?

it's the last time i tell you this, and it's a warning: cut the crap.

and stop upvoting your own comments...

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2014-07-02 22:07:26

@Tiki: *

ok, pal, let's recap keeping in mind that i wrote that for me are both red, in the previous page of this thread.

Tiki: "Marchisio is a red, he had the intention to hurt, Matuidi was late i dont even see why there is a debate here."
Me: "you're obviously being biased."
Tiki: "Well i think you are the biased one(?), Show me the similarity of a late tackle and an intentional one, i am all yours."
Me: "no thanks" (and gave you an hint)
Tiki: "I knew you couldnt anyway"
[...]
Tiki: "For Shpalmann maybe** if you argue respectfully, conversation would be much better**."

see those 3 lines above? the ones i made in bold, those are provocations, furthermore with the latter being also a shameless lie. do you think that people are stupid and fall for it?

it's the last time i tell you this, and it's a warning: cut the crap.

and stop upvoting your own comments...

2014-07-02 22:07:26

@Tiki:

ok, pal, let's recap keeping in mind that i wrote that for me are both red, in the previous page of this thread.

Tiki: "Marchisio is a red, he had the intention to hurt, Matuidi was late i dont even see why there is a debate here."
Me: "you're obviously being biased."
Tiki: "you are the biased one(?), Show me the similarity of a late tackle and an intentional one, i am all yours."
Me: "no thanks" (and gave you an hint)
Tiki: "I knew you couldnt anyway"
[...]
Tiki: "For Shpalmann maybe** if you argue respectfully, conversation would be much better**."

see those 3 lines above? the ones i made in bold, those are provocations, furthermore with the latter being also a shameless lie. do you think that people are stupid and fall for it?

it's the last time i tell you this, and it's a warning: cut the crap.

and stop upvoting your own comments...

tiki_taka 10 years ago

Barcelona, France 367 9768

Its a warning ?
And please those who up voted me please tell this guy to ***chill**, accusing without any proof.
My first +1 was no doubt marcus, he commented at the same time i saw it, anyway it only matters for Childish...

@edited by mod: please dont insult.

tiki_taka 10 years ago Edited

Barcelona, France 367 9768

This is your message on my wall :
also, you really like to know the truth about things right? like geopolitical matters etc. fine, then do a research and see the link between Sarkozy-Platini-Blatter. you know that France shouldn't be where it is, right? explain me why the FIFA ranking didn't matter this time and Italy was downgraded to 4th tier team and France upgraded to 2nd tier team, taking Italy's place. you can mock me all you want, but i know that Italy has 4 world cups, and all of them are clean.

And this is my public response : dont get buthurt, its not France fault if you were eleminated....
Italy were pot 2, France were pot 3...

Edit : What you wrote in my wall reminded me a comment in the highlights sections written by a US supporter called (hahawhat) up voted 9 times since you are interested in it :

''Haha you're just mad about france doing well in the wc, yes it was huge foul but all of your teams have benefited from **** refereeing at one point or another so shut the f* up, nigeria played very well but they only had two shots on target and could barely move towards the end (and they deserve respect for that, they really gave all they had to give) France deserved the win and platini can't give or take goals anyway, I can't help but notice that none of the haters are nigerian fans, it's not because your team didn't play as well as france and didn't go through to the final stages that you have to convince yourself that there is no justice and that platini is an evil puppet master single-handedly controlling the outcomes of the world cup.''

I dont share his view about all teams benefiting from something, but he spots on for the rest.

Here, in this famous injury, you can clearly see that he ref judge on the intention, not on the foot injury picture.

Things would have been different if you argued with me instead of accusing me of bias, and after refusing to argue and saying : No thanks.
The respect should be mutual, that wasnt a big deal in that game, the French are being fair play the whole tournment, no wasting time, open playing rivals and giving a healthy competition.

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2014-07-02 23:54:24

This is your message on my wall :
also, you really like to know the truth about things right? like geopolitical matters etc. fine, then do a research and see the link between Sarkozy-Platini-Blatter. you know that France shouldn't be where it is, right? explain me why the FIFA ranking didn't matter this time and Italy was downgraded to 4th tier team and France upgraded to 2nd tier team, taking Italy's place. you can mock me all you want, but i know that Italy has 4 world cups, and all of them are clean.

And this is my public response : dont get buthurt, its not France fault if you were eleminated....

2014-07-02 23:54:24

This is your message on my wall :
also, you really like to know the truth about things right? like geopolitical matters etc. fine, then do a research and see the link between Sarkozy-Platini-Blatter. you know that France shouldn't be where it is, right? explain me why the FIFA ranking didn't matter this time and Italy was downgraded to 4th tier team and France upgraded to 2nd tier team, taking Italy's place. you can mock me all you want, but i know that Italy has 4 world cups, and all of them are clean.

And this is my public response : dont get buthurt, its not France fault if you were eleminated....
Italy were pot 2, France were pot 3...

2014-07-02 23:54:24

This is your message on my wall :
also, you really like to know the truth about things right? like geopolitical matters etc. fine, then do a research and see the link between Sarkozy-Platini-Blatter. you know that France shouldn't be where it is, right? explain me why the FIFA ranking didn't matter this time and Italy was downgraded to 4th tier team and France upgraded to 2nd tier team, taking Italy's place. you can mock me all you want, but i know that Italy has 4 world cups, and all of them are clean.

And this is my public response : dont get buthurt, its not France fault if you were eleminated....
Italy were pot 2, France were pot 3...

2014-07-02 23:54:24

This is your message on my wall :
also, you really like to know the truth about things right? like geopolitical matters etc. fine, then do a research and see the link between Sarkozy-Platini-Blatter. you know that France shouldn't be where it is, right? explain me why the FIFA ranking didn't matter this time and Italy was downgraded to 4th tier team and France upgraded to 2nd tier team, taking Italy's place. you can mock me all you want, but i know that Italy has 4 world cups, and all of them are clean.

And this is my public response : dont get buthurt, its not France fault if you were eleminated....
Italy were pot 2, France were pot 3...

Edit : What you wrote in my wall reminded me a comment in the highlights sections written by a US supporter called (hahawhat) up voted 9 times since you are interested in it :

''Haha you're just mad about france doing well in the wc, yes it was huge foul but all of your teams have benefited from **** refereeing at one point or another so shut the f* up, nigeria played very well but they only had two shots on target and could barely move towards the end (and they deserve respect for that, they really gave all they had to give) France deserved the win and platini can't give or take goals anyway, I can't help but notice that none of the haters are nigerian fans, it's not because your team didn't play as well as france and didn't go through to the final stages that you have to convince yourself that there is no justice and that platini is an evil puppet master single-handedly controlling the outcomes of the world cup.''

I dont share his view about all teams benefiting from something, but he spots on for the rest.

Here, in this famous injury, you can clearly see that he ref judge on the intention, not on the foot injury picture.

Things would have been different if you argued with me instead of accusing me of bias, and after refusing to argue and saying : No thanks.
The respect should be mutual, that wasnt a big deal in that game, the French are being fair play the whole tournment, no wasting time, open playing rivals and giving a healthy competition.

Eden17Hazard17 10 years ago

Chelsea FC 157 4232

I think Matuidi is a great player, but that was a horror tackle and it deserved red.

As for Cech, I remember that incident, he's been wearing headgear ever since. You've got to admire the commitment of all goalies though.

knibis 10 years ago

Valencia, Sweden 181 2500

gotta agree with Lodatz latest post,

i remember some seasons ago, real vs manu and the red card discussion there. that was also a red card since it doesnt matter the intentions, it was happens that matters, if i want to kick the ball but end up kicking the player it is still a red

KingHenry 10 years ago

Arsenal, France 44 1362

you'd have to be really sadistic to do that kind of tackle with the intention to break someone's leg. When Eduardo and Ramsey got their legs snapped, shawcross and the other guy wanted the ball I suppose, but their challenges were very very reckless. Matuidi's tackle wasn't as bad but it's still clumsy and very dangerous. The red stands, with or without the intention to get the ball. That's dangerous play, and it's a red card.

@tiki you're obviously biased if you don't believe it's a red. Marchisio's red card was far more arguable.

Tuanis 10 years ago Edited

Manchester United, England 87 2311

people.. calm down!

Football has a bunch of suggestive rules that the referees take into action as they think should be. A red card is not the same for every referee, the important thing is for them to apply their criteria as fair as possible. They can evaluate game incidents however they want, rules are there just to guide their decisions.

Both were arguable, i wouldn't be surprised if they both got red or yellow. The thing is, intention does take a big part of the game when tackling and that is why Marchisio got the red card. Matuidi got lucky the ref didnt appreciate the tackle that well. Just like with De Jong's flying kick in 2010.

As Marcus said, It is a contact sport and this things happen. When Ramsey got that horrible injury Shawcross didnt deserve the red card. The outcome of the tackle should never determine the severity of the punishment. But the intention has every right to be judged.

You can clearly see in Matuidi's foul, non of them had the possession of the ball, both rushed for it and that is how most of the worst tackles have happened in football history, when both try to reach for the ball. Matuidi went for the ball, he clearly missed because Onazi was faster and it all ended horrible.

It is perfectly acceptable that those tackles and this one specifically are punished with either a yellow or red card.

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2014-07-03 21:22:13

people.. calm down!

Football has a bunch of suggestive rules that the referees take into action as they think should be. A red card is not the same for every referee, the important thing is for them to apply their criteria as fair as possible.

Both were arguable, i wouldn't be surprised if they both got red or yellow. The thing is, intention does take a big part of the game when tackling and that is why Marchisio got the red card. Matuidi got lucky the ref didnt appreciate the tackle that well. Just like with De Jong's flying kick in 2010.

As Marcus said, It is a contact sport and this things happen. When Ramsey got that horrible injury Shawcross didnt deserve the red card. The outcome of the tackle should never determine the severity of the punishment. But the intention has every right to be judged.

You can clearly see in Matuidi's foul, non of them had the possession of the ball, both rushed for it and that is how most of the worst tackles have happened in football history, when both try to reach for the ball. Matuidi went for the ball, he clearly missed because Onazi was faster and it all ended horrible.

It is perfectly acceptable that those tackles and this one specifically are punished with either a yellow or red card.

Marcus2011 10 years ago

Chelsea FC, England 277 6501

@tuanis

+1

@tiki +1 I was not so mad when that happened . Yes after wards I got upset , but I understood it was absolutely unintentional .

This one recently almost resulted in death ... I believe goalkeeper did not get anything