Eden17Hazard17
9 years ago
Maybe.... but if they did everything that they could to win by 10 points then they would not achieve success in the CL.
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Eden17Hazard17
9 years ago
Maybe.... but if they did everything that they could to win by 10 points then they would not achieve success in the CL.
SunFlash
9 years ago
Why do we need another thread for this?
Tuanis
9 years ago
Seriously.... another....?
tiki_taka
9 years ago
Edited
@Sun Because i dont want to go off topic in Mourinho thread and hear '' you went off topic silly arguments ''
@Eden Do you really think so ? Are PL games on 200 minutes instead of 90 ? Barça and Madrid main players dont like rotations, they are able of playing every 3 days on regular basis, and even when the game is done they still work hard to up their stats.
Take Liverpool as an example, they met Madrid early in November at Home, they conceded 3 in first half and were unable to show any strenght, were they tired in November ?
@Tuan I wasted enough time arguing with people unable to change their minds no matter what, the other thread will be important for next season CL games, i wont risk to get him closed as we will surely go back to it again...
@Sun Because i dont want to go off topic in Mourinho thread and hear '' you went off topic silly arguments ''
@Eden Do you really think so ? Are PL games on 200 minutes instead of 90 ? Barça and Madrid main players dont like rotations, they are able of playing every 3 days on regular basis, and even when the game is done they still work hard to up their stats.
Take Liverpool as an example, they met Madrid early in November at Home, they conceded 3 in first half and were unable to show any strenght, were they tired in November ?
Lodatz
9 years ago
Edited
"Are PL games on 200 minutes instead of 90 ?"
They might as well be, sure. Have you not noticed how most of the teams in Spain just kind of jog around? Barca and Real get hard matches only 4 or 5 times a year. They would get about 12 in the PL.
"Take Liverpool as an example,"
Why? No-one claims that Liverpool are anywhere near the level of Madrid. However, buying their star player certainly did make Barcelona a great team again. ;)
It's also really amusing that we're supposedly talking about how English football needs to become more about possession, when Manchester United were playing possession-based football under Ferguson before Guardiola even took over Barca B.
But hey, don't let things like facts distract you from always hating on England, and English football, every single time you can. It's amazing how most English football fans are actually very respectful towards other football, and value fair play and losing/winning with grace, and yet the anti-English trolls are always the ones who have to lower the tone and be disrespectful.
Ah well. The cycle will continue.
Have fun, folks of FootyRoom. This used to be a great site. Bon voyage.
"Are PL games on 200 minutes instead of 90 ?"
They might as well be, sure. Have you not noticed how most of the teams in Spain just kind of jog around? Barca and Real get hard matches only 4 or 5 times a year. They would get about 12 in the PL.
"Take Liverpool as an example,"
Why? No-one claims that Liverpool are anywhere near the level of Madrid. However, buying their star player certainly did make Barcelona a great team again. ;)
It's also really amusing that we're supposedly talking about how English football needs to become more about possession, when Manchester United were playing possession-based football under Ferguson before Guardiola even took over Barca B.
But hey, don't let things like facts distract you from always hating on England, and English football, every single time you can. It's amazing how most English football fans are actually very respectful towards other football, and value fair play and losing/winning with grace, and yet the anti-English trolls are always the ones who have to lower the tone and be disrespectful.
Ah well. The cycle will continue.
Have fun, folks of FootyRoom. This used to be a great site. Bon voyage.
Lodatz
9 years ago
Edited
"They are the exception, not the rule.Barcelona’s chasing of Manchester United in Rome (2009) and the more humiliating defeat at Wembley (2011) was another wake-up call for English football."
LOL. What on earth is this bullshi.t?
Yeah, it was such a 'wake-up call' for United to be beaten by one of the greatest club teams in history, and in 2011's case one of the best finals in recent memory. I guess the fact that United got to those two finals (and the one in 2008), and Chelsea getting to the 2008 and 2012 finals were all just utterly meaningless, and could not possibly have meant that they actually were, y'know, among the TWO BEST TEAMS IN THE WORLD in each of those years.
No, clearly it was just a 'wake-up call'. Was it not a 'wake-up call' for Barcelona when Bayern destroyed them? Was it not a wake-up call for Madrid in 2009 when Liverpool thrashed them? Maybe it was. In both cases, they had to spend big on foreign imports (mostly from the PL) in order to 'wake up' and become competitive again.
What a moron Neil Ashton is, but then again, he has been for years now. Isn't he the one who originally thought that Reyes was better than Ronaldo?
LOL again.
"They are the exception, not the rule.Barcelona’s chasing of Manchester United in Rome (2009) and the more humiliating defeat at Wembley (2011) was another wake-up call for English football."
LOL. What on earth is this bullshi.t?
Yeah, it was such a 'wake-up call' for United to be beaten by one of the greatest club teams in history, and in 2011's case one of the best finals in recent memory. I guess the fact that United got to those two finals (and the one in 2008), and Chelsea getting to the 2008 and 2012 finals were all just utterly meaningless, and could not possibly have meant that they actually were, y'know, among the TWO BEST TEAMS IN THE WORLD in each of those years.
No, clearly it was just a 'wake-up call'. Was it not a 'wake-up call' for Barcelona when Bayern destroyed them? Was it not a wake-up call for Madrid in 2009 when Liverpool thrashed them? Maybe it was. In both cases, they had to spend big on foreign imports (mostly from the PL) in order to 'wake up' and become competitive again.
What a moron Neil Ashton is, but then again, he has been for years now. Isn't he the one who originally thought that Reyes was better than Ronaldo?
LOL again.
Lodatz
9 years ago
Edited
Personally, I think that were Madrid and Barca to transfer to the PL, they would find themselves getting more draws than they get right now. English football can be stubborn, like that. They don't roll over for the big dogs in the way that perhaps might be expected in less competitive leagues.
I suspect they're capable of winning the league, certainly, and currently they are both better than any team England has to offer. However, it'd be much tighter than in Spain, and much tougher to maintain, season after season, where the Top 4-5 teams have all remained competitive both in direct results and points.
Barcelona might beat City 0-3 at the Etihad, for example, in the league. However, that might not matter if City beat Arsenal, Spurs and United, but Barcelona only take 7 points from those same games and get a draw with Madrid, who turn also only manage a point against City (but get wins over Arsenal, United, Spurs, losing to Chelsea). Remember, these are league games, too, not knock-out cup ties, so their importance can be seen by adding them up. If you imagine, say, that Chelsea also draw against the Gunners and Barcelona, but beat United and Spurs, you would have
Chelsea -- 11 points from 5 games
Barcelona -- 11 points from 5 games
Real Madrid -- 11 points from 6 games
Manchester City -- 10 points from 5 games
So with everyone in that mini-table having a game-in-hand over Madrid, that could swing in any direction after just one weekend. Then factor in the long slog of winning every week against smaller, less impressive opposition, and the tendency of that opposition to cause upsets in England (because, contrary to what Dynastian unkindly and disrespectfully said about the 'lack of winning mentality' in English football, in the other thread), it really doesn't matter if Barcelona can beat City, Chelsea or United on their day, if those three teams can also take points off each other and the Spanish Two over the course of 38 games.
It'll be a tight title race until the last phases of the season.
Just like every year in England, in fact.
Oh, and speaking of big cup ties alongside the league games, Barca and Madrid would have to expect a lot more of them (considering there's an extra cup competition in England) and once again, in most rounds, deal with the fact that every single team will be capable of upsetting them. So, yet another toll upon their squads.
Oh, and they'd have to play through the winter, instead of resting those skillful (and yet a touch more fragile) legs of theirs.
You think that Barca and Real would win all the time, nearly every week, as they do in Spain, and that none of this would matter? You're entitled to your opinion.
That doesn't mean that your opinion is well-reasoned, though. For that we have discussion, where reasoning can be compared. I invite you (anyone, I mean) to convince me that Neymar and Benzema would be jogging around with such ease as they do now, every week, instead of suffering the shock to the system that Di Maria, Falcao and Ozil have discovered.
They were world-beaters, among the best players on the planet, when they were playing in Spain. In England...?
They're pretty good, but swimming in much deeper waters alongside players of equal talent. If their talent was so great as to make English defenses irrelevant, then why has that not happened? Why have Diego Costa (sorta) and Sanchez (definitely) done so well, by comparison, alongside the likes of Kun Aguero (when he's not injured)? Well, I believe it is because they're tougher athletes.
Athleticism is a BIG part of the game, over in the Old Country. One can scoff about how everything needs to be about possession nowadays, but it's still true that athleticism is winning out again. You know, like Madrid's blistering force of Ronaldo, Bale, Di Maria, Marcelo, James, etc, and like Suarez has helped bring to the Camp Nou.
Which is probably why, unlike most transfers the other way, Suarez has THRIVED in Spain, racking up 42 goals/assists in, well, half a season with the great new champions of the world? Imagine if Liverpool had hung onto him, or if City had bought him instead. Still think that Barca would have been so good? ;)
Write off English football at your peril. We don't tend to give up, as a rule, and considering the money that the league now commands, we might just be set to overtake everyone else again over the next few years. ;) France have PSG (and Monaco, sorta) adding to that wealthy club, and Bayern are no slouches when it comes to wages either.
Before too long, Madrid and Barca might not be the biggest, richest kids on the block anymore. When the biggest wealth keeps the best talent elsewhere, and even lures talent away from them, they might just lose their advantage.
Wonder what will happen then. Will, say, Valencia or Sevilla step up and conquer Europe/Spain? What about Atletico, if they lose their best players (again)?
I'm not seeing it. Perhaps you can persuade me....
Personally, I think that were Madrid and Barca to transfer to the PL, they would find themselves getting more draws than they get right now. English football can be stubborn, like that. They don't roll over for the big dogs in the way that perhaps might be expected in less competitive leagues.
I suspect they're capable of winning the league, certainly, and currently they are both better than any team England has to offer. However, it'd be much tighter than in Spain, and much tougher to maintain, season after season, where the Top 4-5 teams have all remained competitive both in direct results and points.
Barcelona might beat City 0-3 at the Etihad, for example, in the league. However, that might not matter if City beat Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs, but Barcelona only take 5 points from those same games and get a draw with Madrid, who in turn DO take 3 points off Barca. Remember, these are league games, too, not knock-out cup ties, of which Barca and Madrid would have to expect a lot more of (considering there's an extra cup competition in England) where, again, the fact that every single team will be capable of upsets is going take yet another toll upon their squads.
Oh, and they'd have to play through the winter, instead of resting those skillful (and yet a touch more fragile) legs of theirs.
You think that Barca and Real would win all the time, nearly every week, as they do in Spain, and that none of this would matter? You're entitled to your opinion.
That doesn't mean that your opinion is well-reasoned, though. For that we have discussion, where reasoning can be compared. I invite you (anyone, I mean) to convince me that Neymar and Benzema would be jogging around with such ease as they do now, every week, instead of suffering the shock to the system that Di Maria, Falcao and Ozil have discovered.
They were world-beaters, among the best players on the planet, when they were playing in Spain. In England...?
They're pretty good, but swimming in much deeper waters alongside players of equal talent. If their talent was so great as to make English defenses irrelevant, then why has that not happened? Why have Diego Costa (sorta) and Sanchez (definitely) done so well, by comparison, alongside the likes of Kun Aguero (when he's not injured)? Well, I believe it is because they're tougher athletes.
Athleticism is a BIG part of the game, over in the Old Country. One can scoff about how everything needs to be about possession nowadays, but it's still true that athleticism is winning out again. You know, like Madrid's blistering force of Ronaldo, Bale, Di Maria, Marcelo, James, etc, and like Suarez has helped bring to the Camp Nou.
Which is probably why, unlike most transfers the other way, Suarez has THRIVED in Spain, racking up 42 goals/assists in, well, half a season with the great new champions of the world?
Write off English football at your peril. We don't tend to give up, as a rule, and considering the money that the league now commands, we might just be set to overtake everyone else again over the next few years. ;) France have PSG (and Monaco, sorta) adding to that wealthy club, and Bayern are no slouches when it comes to wages either.
Before too long, Madrid and Barca might not be the biggest, richest kids on the block anymore.
Wonder what will happen then. Will, say, Valencia or Sevilla step up and conquer Europe/Spain? What about Atletico, if they lose their best players (again)?
I'm not seeing it. Perhaps you can persuade me....
Personally, I think that were Madrid and Barca to transfer to the PL, they would find themselves getting more draws than they get right now. English football can be stubborn, like that. They don't roll over for the big dogs in the way that perhaps might be expected in less competitive leagues.
I suspect they're capable of winning the league, certainly, and currently they are both better than any team England has to offer. However, it'd be much tighter than in Spain, and much tougher to maintain, season after season, where the Top 4-5 teams have all remained competitive both in direct results and points.
Barcelona might beat City 0-3 at the Etihad, for example, in the league. However, that might not matter if City beat Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs, but Barcelona only take 5 points from those same games and get a draw with Madrid, who in turn DO take 3 points off Barca. Remember, these are league games, too, not knock-out cup ties, of which Barca and Madrid would have to expect a lot more of (considering there's an extra cup competition in England) where, again, the fact that every single team will be capable of upsets is going take yet another toll upon their squads.
Oh, and they'd have to play through the winter, instead of resting those skillful (and yet a touch more fragile) legs of theirs.
You think that Barca and Real would win all the time, nearly every week, as they do in Spain, and that none of this would matter? You're entitled to your opinion.
That doesn't mean that your opinion is well-reasoned, though. For that we have discussion, where reasoning can be compared. I invite you (anyone, I mean) to convince me that Neymar and Benzema would be jogging around with such ease as they do now, every week, instead of suffering the shock to the system that Di Maria, Falcao and Ozil have discovered.
They were world-beaters, among the best players on the planet, when they were playing in Spain. In England...?
They're pretty good, but swimming in much deeper waters alongside players of equal talent. If their talent was so great as to make English defenses irrelevant, then why has that not happened? Why have Diego Costa (sorta) and Sanchez (definitely) done so well, by comparison, alongside the likes of Kun Aguero (when he's not injured)? Well, I believe it is because they're tougher athletes.
Athleticism is a BIG part of the game, over in the Old Country. One can scoff about how everything needs to be about possession nowadays, but it's still true that athleticism is winning out again. You know, like Madrid's blistering force of Ronaldo, Bale, Di Maria, Marcelo, James, etc, and like Suarez has helped bring to the Camp Nou.
Which is probably why, unlike most transfers the other way, Suarez has THRIVED in Spain, racking up 42 goals/assists in, well, half a season with the great new champions of the world? Imagine if Liverpool had hung onto him, or if City had bought him instead. Still think that Barca would have been so good? ;)
Write off English football at your peril. We don't tend to give up, as a rule, and considering the money that the league now commands, we might just be set to overtake everyone else again over the next few years. ;) France have PSG (and Monaco, sorta) adding to that wealthy club, and Bayern are no slouches when it comes to wages either.
Before too long, Madrid and Barca might not be the biggest, richest kids on the block anymore. When the biggest wealth keeps the best talent elsewhere, and even lures talent away from them, they might just lose their advantage.
Wonder what will happen then. Will, say, Valencia or Sevilla step up and conquer Europe/Spain? What about Atletico, if they lose their best players (again)?
I'm not seeing it. Perhaps you can persuade me....
Personally, I think that were Madrid and Barca to transfer to the PL, they would find themselves getting more draws than they get right now. English football can be stubborn, like that. They don't roll over for the big dogs in the way that perhaps might be expected in less competitive leagues.
I suspect they're capable of winning the league, certainly, and currently they are both better than any team England has to offer. However, it'd be much tighter than in Spain, and much tougher to maintain, season after season, where the Top 4-5 teams have all remained competitive both in direct results and points.
Barcelona might beat City 0-3 at the Etihad, for example, in the league. However, that might not matter if City beat Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs, but Barcelona only take 5 points from those same games and get a draw with Madrid, who turn also only manage a point against City (but get wins over Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs, losing to Chelsea). Remember, these are league games, too, not knock-out cup ties, so their importance can be seen by adding them up. If you imagine, say, that Chelsea also draw against the Gunners and Barcelona, but beat Liverpool and Spurs, you would have
Chelsea -- 11 points from 5 games
Real Madrid -- 11 points from 6 games
Manchester City -- 10 points from 5 games
Barcelona -- 9 points from 5 games
So with everyone in that mini-table having a game-in-hand over Madrid, that could swing in any direction after just one weekend. Then factor in the long slog of winning every week against smaller, less impressive opposition, and the tendency of that opposition to cause upsets in England (because, contrary to what Dynastian unkindly and disrespectfully said about the 'lack of winning mentality' in English football), you're looking at a rather tight title race until the very last stage of the season.
Just like every year in England, in fact.
Oh, and speaking of big cup ties alongside the league games, Barca and Madrid would have to expect a lot more of them (considering there's an extra cup competition in England) and once again, in most rounds, deal with the fact that every single team will be capable of upsetting them. So, yet another toll upon their squads.
Oh, and they'd have to play through the winter, instead of resting those skillful (and yet a touch more fragile) legs of theirs.
You think that Barca and Real would win all the time, nearly every week, as they do in Spain, and that none of this would matter? You're entitled to your opinion.
That doesn't mean that your opinion is well-reasoned, though. For that we have discussion, where reasoning can be compared. I invite you (anyone, I mean) to convince me that Neymar and Benzema would be jogging around with such ease as they do now, every week, instead of suffering the shock to the system that Di Maria, Falcao and Ozil have discovered.
They were world-beaters, among the best players on the planet, when they were playing in Spain. In England...?
They're pretty good, but swimming in much deeper waters alongside players of equal talent. If their talent was so great as to make English defenses irrelevant, then why has that not happened? Why have Diego Costa (sorta) and Sanchez (definitely) done so well, by comparison, alongside the likes of Kun Aguero (when he's not injured)? Well, I believe it is because they're tougher athletes.
Athleticism is a BIG part of the game, over in the Old Country. One can scoff about how everything needs to be about possession nowadays, but it's still true that athleticism is winning out again. You know, like Madrid's blistering force of Ronaldo, Bale, Di Maria, Marcelo, James, etc, and like Suarez has helped bring to the Camp Nou.
Which is probably why, unlike most transfers the other way, Suarez has THRIVED in Spain, racking up 42 goals/assists in, well, half a season with the great new champions of the world? Imagine if Liverpool had hung onto him, or if City had bought him instead. Still think that Barca would have been so good? ;)
Write off English football at your peril. We don't tend to give up, as a rule, and considering the money that the league now commands, we might just be set to overtake everyone else again over the next few years. ;) France have PSG (and Monaco, sorta) adding to that wealthy club, and Bayern are no slouches when it comes to wages either.
Before too long, Madrid and Barca might not be the biggest, richest kids on the block anymore. When the biggest wealth keeps the best talent elsewhere, and even lures talent away from them, they might just lose their advantage.
Wonder what will happen then. Will, say, Valencia or Sevilla step up and conquer Europe/Spain? What about Atletico, if they lose their best players (again)?
I'm not seeing it. Perhaps you can persuade me....
decentK
9 years ago
Damn, shots fired - I think from now on Lodatz & Tiki will continue battle that continues till next season starts - grab your popcorns & drink ready.
I agree, I don't think we need this type of topic all over again, we've discussed this thing so many times before.
bluezz
9 years ago
omg why the heck are you so obsessed i don't know how many threads there are about this
tiki_taka
9 years ago
@Decentk why ? Why wasting my time with someone who never watch la Liga games and probably never played Football with a team, his view about Football looks like a foreign fan who watch Football like people watch NBA....
There is nothing to add, for me some teams are able to kill games in first half while if they dont the game could be much different....
Paul Scholes knows what is dominating, he experienced what is to win games week in week out, and probably aware of the actual situation....
Germany changed their philosophy in 2006, most of English directors still think money would solve the problem, it wont.
40 years now and counting, at a national level, for me its a change or die situation no matter what bitter people give as arguments.
@Lodatz Glad to see you back, i guess when you disappeared you watched a little this season results, now you can come and throw your usual things, but the season is starting soon and dont expect any big changes from the results...
tiki_taka
9 years ago
I personally dont see where are the 12 dificult games Barça could face in England, Barça would take 6 pts from 4 of top 6 teams in England, i wont talk about the rest...
5 Spanish teams are playing CL next year, the 5th Sevilla has won their ticket fair and square by being the best team of EL without any discussion, why writing useless comments while Valencia and Sevilla will face PL big four next year ?
Wait and see, or wait and disappear for some.
KTBFFHSWE
9 years ago
You went ahead and made ANOTHER thread when the other is on the main page? That's excellent. Anyways, I find it hard to read what's your personal opinions and what's part of the interview with Scholes. You seem to mix them up. Can you please provide a link to the interview?
Did Scholes say that "English clubs are so
inferior to their continental counterparts." meaning the entire league is inferior to the other big leagues? You see, I highly doubt that, so please provide the link in where he said that. That Bayern, barca and Real would win EPL if they were to compete in it is nothing weird so if that's what he said, what's all the fuss about? So, please. Again provide the link in where he said that.
KTBFFHSWE
9 years ago
@tiki Indeed, will be interesting to see the EPL clubs trash Sevilla and Valencia if they were to meet. Oh, how I remember how you claimed that Sevilla and Valencia would both win the EPL if they were to Compete in it. These threads will come back and bite you in the ass.
Dynastian98
9 years ago
I believe that if Sevilla/Valencia were to participate in the EPL, they would finish in their natural positions: somewhere between 3rd and 6th, depending on many factors. I doubt they will be able to beat a club like Chelsea or Man City in a two-legged tie, but they will certainly be able to put up a match and be a formidable foe. However, I don't believe Sevilla can do this. Only Valencia and Atletico are strong enough to pose a threat to the EPL top 2 in a two-legged tie.
tiki_taka
9 years ago
I said they would be contenders, well if we consider that City were contenders this year, current Valencia could have been contending with the actual PL consitence Chelsea aside...
for the link here is the link : http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3003880/Paul-Scholes-believes-Barcelona-Real-Madrid-Bayern-Munich-win-Premier-League-10-15-points.html
@Dynast I believe they could be 2nd to 5th, i dont see Spurs or Liverpool ahead of them. For Sevilla lets not forget they finished one point behind Valencia fighting till the end for 4th place and doing great in EL played in thursday, Unai did amazing in rotations...
Last year they lost Rakitic, they still came stronger this year with many amazing players breakthrough, everyone seems replacable in that team except the coach, Sevilla were undefeated in their ground for more than a year, playing all EL stages until the final in 2 years, only Madrid took 3pts from there, CR7 hattrick 2-3 and Sevilla pushed hard for a draw at the end, they drew 2-2 vs Barça while Barça were leading 0-2, they have huge depth, amazing team spirit, good combinations, players with mentality, Sevilla players never disapoint and good players are being benched there...
The direct confrontations would be very interesting, at some people difference, when im wrong i can change my mind and update my thoughts...
Dynastian98
9 years ago
@Tiki
Ahh, but Tiki, Madrid did not have Modric during their Sevilla encounter. Modric makes the results completely lopsided. If we had Modric, we would have beaten Sevilla by a comfortable scoreline (3-0 or 4-2 or something like that). Ronaldo's positional brilliance bailed us out that match, but we would've have been no doubt superior with Modric. In our 2-1 home victory against them, we did not have Ronaldo, Ramos, or Modric. And we still beat them 2-1. A close scoreline, but no doubt would have been larger if we had our full team.
I do, however, believe that Sevilla are currently better than Spurs and Liverpool, but find it difficult to see them finishing above 4th in the EPL. I believe they will still come 5th, just as they did in La Liga.
KTBFFHSWE
9 years ago
@tiki as I thought the article/intervieew mentions nothing about the league itself being inferior to any other top leagues, but rather that Barca/real would win the league with 10 poínts. Fair enough. And yes Juve and PSG would certainly be in top as well if they were to compete in EPL. But the thing is... this isn't news.. This has got nothing to do with the quality of the entire league.. EPL mid and lower teams are still better than La Ligas and Barca and Real are still way better than their english counterparts. No news here.
Anyways, I think it's great that we'll get too see both Sevilla and Valencia in the CL. Then it'll all get settled if they were to meet english opposition. No excuses afterwards.
tiki_taka
9 years ago
Edited
@KTBFF Thats fair.
@Dynast Well thats arguable, i remember Sevilla defeating Madrid 2-1 the year before with Carlos Bacca winner, Sevilla away is complicated to win, only Madrid did it for almost 15 months and they got quite unlucky the Sevillan conceding 2 when they were playing at ten ( krychowiak recovering from injury ) but Ronaldo was in a good day very sharp and got feeded rightfully so its deserved.
That was a great game, i still remember it.
@KTBFF Thats fair.
@Dynast Well thats arguable, i remember Sevilla defeating Madrid 2-1 the year before with Carlos Bacca winner, Sevilla away is complicated to win, only Madrid did it for almost 15 months and they got quite unlucky the Sevillan conceding 2 when they were playing at ten ( kryshowsky recovering from injury ) but Ronaldo was in a good day very sharp and got feeded rightfully so its deserved.
That was a great game, i still remember it.
@KTBFF Thats fair.
@Dynast Well thats arguable, i remember Sevilla defeating Madrid 2-1 the year before with Carlos Bacca winner, Sevilla away is complicated to win, only Madrid did it for almost 15 months and they got quite unlucky the Sevillan conceding 2 when they were playing at ten ( kryshowsky recovering from injury ) but Ronaldo was in a good day very sharp and got feeded rightfully so its deserved.
That was a great game, i still remember it.
Dynastian98
9 years ago
@Tiki
Yes, that was one of the most entertaining games I had seen all season. Real - Valencia at the Bernabeu was another fine game. A shame we weren't able to defeat Valencia on the night. They were simply too good for us.
tiki_taka
9 years ago
Not sure of this, Valencia did the perfect game being effective and leading 0-2, but Madrid came back despite Valencian good defense, Madrid hit the post twice in that game if i remember well, its same like vs Villareal, they didnt needed much to push for the winner but the rival deserved his draw...
Madrid would have won the league if they didnt loose 5pts in one week just before the clasico, vs Bilbao and Villareal, they would have been still been 1 pts ahead of Barça even after the clasico loss, but Barça also lost some debatable points despite winning many key games, anyway the title in Spain has been won on details for a while now.
Paul Scholes believes English football has declined to such an extent that Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich would win the Premier League by 10 to 15 points.
Chelsea, Arsenal and Manchester City all exited the Champions League in the last 16, while Everton's defeat to Dynamo Kiev in the Europa League meant a total wipeout of the English sides in Europe.
And Scholes, the former Manchester United midfielder who twice lifted the European Cup, has entered the debate on why English clubs are so inferior to their continental counterparts.
Writing in The Independent, Scholes said: 'Over the last two weeks our coaches and players in the Champions League have looked second rate.'If you put one of Barcelona, Real Madrid or Bayern Munich in the Premier League, they would win it by 10 to 15 points.'Even PSG and Juventus look better sides than any of those currently at the top of the Premier League.'While some have blamed the lack of a winter break for English failings, Scholes puts it down simply to inferior players.
Paul Scholes has twice won the European Cup with Manchester United - in 1999 and 2008 (pictured)
'The bottom line to this season's failings? I think the big two in Spain, and Bayern, simply have better players than the English teams in the Champions League,' he writes.Barcelona completed their win over Man City this week, with Lionel Messi to the fore, while French sides Paris Saint-Germain and Monaco eliminated Chelsea and Arsenal respectively.
Feel free to disagree with Scholes, i watched Barça and Real VS big four PL sides this season, 4 games and 4 wins ( no chance of even drawing at any game even in home games ), i personally fear Sevilla and Valencia more than City who never seem to give a fight.
From Dailymail.
For those who refuses to look at the current crisis, feel free to give pitch issues, i personally see it as a mix between what Paul said, lack of long term plans, unability to keep the ball from English players wich leads into conceding goals more often...
For possession a PL analysts couldnt explain it more clearly :
<< Bayern (67 per cent), who are moving into a new phase of possession-based football under Guardiola, head the list of teams dominating games, followed by Barcelona (64), Porto (60.9) and Juventus (59.6).
Those four teams, possibly the most entertaining to watch in the competition this season, are all in the draw for the quarter-final.
This stuff is staring us in the face and yet we will choose to ignore it because we will be back in thrall with the thrills and spills of the Barclays Premier League this weekend.
We love its combative nature, the ability to throw up surprises because of its rugged composition, an unpredictable mix of styles, and its raw pace.
For English football to succeed in Europe, the top teams must evolve, playing a possession-based game and learning to pick their moment in the biggest matches.
Until they do, we all know the score. >>
here is where i picked the paragraph, very instruvie other thread.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3002127/Until-English-clubs-learn-ball-doomed-failure-Europe-continent-losing-considered-crime-terrified-possession.html
Until English clubs learn to keep the ball they are doomed to failure in Europe...
<< Our national team went out of a World Cup in Brazil without even winning a game because they couldn’t keep the ball in an average group comprising Italy, Uruguay and Costa Rica.At Euro 2016, even with some of weakest teams in European football at the table, England will fail dismally because of their inability to retain possession.
Our Champions League teams are heading the same way because they are incapable of flipping between the demands of the Premier League and the tactical subtleties of European football.At this point there will be those who cite the classic counter-attacking teams, such as Jose Mourinho’s Inter Milan (2010) and Roberto Di Matteo’s Chelsea (2012), who went on to win the European Cup. They are the exception, not the rule.Barcelona’s chasing of Manchester United in Rome (2009) and the more humiliating defeat at Wembley (2011) was another wake-up call for English football. Sadly, we forgot to set the alarm. >>
- Man United hero says Premier League is inferior to European leagues **- Chelsea, Arsenal and Man City all went out in Champions League last 16 - Scholes says the English clubs have inferior players to European rivals- Man Utd legend believes Real Madrid, Barcelona or Bayern Munich would easily win Premier League title****
Paul Scholes believes English football has declined to such an extent that Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich would win the Premier League by 10 to 15 points.
Chelsea, Arsenal and Manchester City all exited the Champions League in the last 16, while Everton's defeat to Dynamo Kiev in the Europa League meant a total wipeout of the English sides in Europe.
And Scholes, the former Manchester United midfielder who twice lifted the European Cup, has entered the debate on why English clubs are so inferior to their continental counterparts.**
Writing in The Independent, Scholes said: 'Over the last two weeks our coaches and players in the Champions League have looked second rate.
'If you put one of Barcelona, Real Madrid or Bayern Munich in the Premier League, they would win it by 10 to 15 points.
'Even PSG and Juventus look better sides than any of those currently at the top of the Premier League.'
While some have blamed the lack of a winter break for English failings, Scholes puts it down simply to inferior players.
Paul Scholes has twice won the European Cup with Manchester United - in 1999 and 2008 (pictured)
'The bottom line to this season's failings? I think the big two in Spain, and Bayern, simply have better players than the English teams in the Champions League,' he writes.
Barcelona completed their win over Man City this week, with Lionel Messi to the fore, while French sides Paris Saint-Germain and Monaco eliminated Chelsea and Arsenal respectively.
Feel free to disagree with Scholes, i personally dont watching Barça and Real VS big four PL sides this season, 4 games and 4 wins ( no chance of even drawing at any game even in home games ), i personally fear Sevilla and Valencia more than City who never seem to give a fight and i would draw.
For those who refuses to look at the current crisis, feel free to give pitch issues, i personally see it as a mix between what Paul said, lack of long term plans, unability to keep the ball from English players wich leads into conceding goals more often...
For possession a PL analysts couldnt explain it more clearly :
<< Bayern (67 per cent), who are moving into a new phase of possession-based football under Guardiola, head the list of teams dominating games, followed by Barcelona (64), Porto (60.9) and Juventus (59.6).
Those four teams, possibly the most entertaining to watch in the competition this season, are all in the draw for the quarter-final.
This stuff is staring us in the face and yet we will choose to ignore it because we will be back in thrall with the thrills and spills of the Barclays Premier League this weekend.
We love its combative nature, the ability to throw up surprises because of its rugged composition, an unpredictable mix of styles, and its raw pace.
For English football to succeed in Europe, the top teams must evolve, playing a possession-based game and learning to pick their moment in the biggest matches.
Until they do, we all know the score. >>
here is where i picked the paragraph, very instruvie other thread.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3002127/Until-English-clubs-learn-ball-doomed-failure-Europe-continent-losing-considered-crime-terrified-possession.html
Paul Scholes believes English football has declined to such an extent that Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich would win the Premier League by 10 to 15 points.
Chelsea, Arsenal and Manchester City all exited the Champions League in the last 16, while Everton's defeat to Dynamo Kiev in the Europa League meant a total wipeout of the English sides in Europe.
And Scholes, the former Manchester United midfielder who twice lifted the European Cup, has entered the debate on why English clubs are so inferior to their continental counterparts.
Writing in The Independent, Scholes said: 'Over the last two weeks our coaches and players in the Champions League have looked second rate.'If you put one of Barcelona, Real Madrid or Bayern Munich in the Premier League, they would win it by 10 to 15 points.'Even PSG and Juventus look better sides than any of those currently at the top of the Premier League.'While some have blamed the lack of a winter break for English failings, Scholes puts it down simply to inferior players.
Paul Scholes has twice won the European Cup with Manchester United - in 1999 and 2008 (pictured)
'The bottom line to this season's failings? I think the big two in Spain, and Bayern, simply have better players than the English teams in the Champions League,' he writes.Barcelona completed their win over Man City this week, with Lionel Messi to the fore, while French sides Paris Saint-Germain and Monaco eliminated Chelsea and Arsenal respectively.
Feel free to disagree with Scholes, i personally dont watching Barça and Real VS big four PL sides this season, 4 games and 4 wins ( no chance of even drawing at any game even in home games ), i personally fear Sevilla and Valencia more than City who never seem to give a fight and i would draw.
From Dailymail.
For those who refuses to look at the current crisis, feel free to give pitch issues, i personally see it as a mix between what Paul said, lack of long term plans, unability to keep the ball from English players wich leads into conceding goals more often...
For possession a PL analysts couldnt explain it more clearly :
<< Bayern (67 per cent), who are moving into a new phase of possession-based football under Guardiola, head the list of teams dominating games, followed by Barcelona (64), Porto (60.9) and Juventus (59.6).
Those four teams, possibly the most entertaining to watch in the competition this season, are all in the draw for the quarter-final.
This stuff is staring us in the face and yet we will choose to ignore it because we will be back in thrall with the thrills and spills of the Barclays Premier League this weekend.
We love its combative nature, the ability to throw up surprises because of its rugged composition, an unpredictable mix of styles, and its raw pace.
For English football to succeed in Europe, the top teams must evolve, playing a possession-based game and learning to pick their moment in the biggest matches.
Until they do, we all know the score. >>
here is where i picked the paragraph, very instruvie other thread.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3002127/Until-English-clubs-learn-ball-doomed-failure-Europe-continent-losing-considered-crime-terrified-possession.html
Until English clubs learn to keep the ball they are doomed to failure in Europe...
<< Our national team went out of a World Cup in Brazil without even winning a game because they couldn’t keep the ball in an average group comprising Italy, Uruguay and Costa Rica.
At Euro 2016, even with some of weakest teams in European football at the table, England will fail dismally because of their inability to retain possession.
Our Champions League teams are heading the same way because they are incapable of flipping between the demands of the Premier League and the tactical subtleties of European football.
At this point there will be those who cite the classic counter-attacking teams, such as Jose Mourinho’s Inter Milan (2010) and Roberto Di Matteo’s Chelsea (2012), who went on to win the European Cup. They are the exception, not the rule.
Barcelona’s chasing of Manchester United in Rome (2009) and the more humiliating defeat at Wembley (2011) was another wake-up call for English football. Sadly, we forgot to set the alarm. >>