You all need to look up about modern slavery . US is still "slaving " illegal immigrants just like many big nations around the world.
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You all need to look up about modern slavery . US is still "slaving " illegal immigrants just like many big nations around the world.
@Marcus
Democracy in every nation is a cover-up. The point KingHenry is trying to make is that this illegal use and treatment of workers should not be associated with the World Cup. Therefore, it would not be necessary in a nation that already has the foundations necessary for a World Cup (i.e. USA or France).
Qataries ARE passionate about football, but no way in hell will they ever have a proper team. There are about 400,000 Qataries in the world. True, the stadiums will be useless after the world cup. Although they do plan to remove the seats and donate them. Qatar is not the BEST country to host the world cup obviously, but it is without doubt the best choice from the Middle East.
About the US immigrant thing, it's not like there is an exclusive exception on sporting events. If such things happen in the country, then they will happen when the sporting event is being prepared for.
I don't disagree that Qatar has no history in the sport and that the world cup wouldn't encourage football in this country. I also didn't disagree about the heat ( I actually was with it?)
My argument wasn't directly comparing Qatar to the US, I was just giving an example to why " Qatar is a **** country with no human rights" is an invalid reason.
Qataries ARE passionate about football, but no way in hell will they ever have a proper team. Their are about 400,000 Qataries in the world. True, the stadiums will be useless after the world cup. Although they do plan to remove the seats and donate them. Qatar is not the BEST country to host the world cup obviously, but it is without doubt the best choice from the Middle East.
About the US immigrant thing, it's not like there is an exclusive exception on sporting events. If such things happen in the country, then they will happen when the sporting event is being prepared for.
I don't disagree that Qatar has no history in the sport and that the world cup wouldn't encourage football in this country. I also didn't disagree about the heat ( I actually was with it?)
My argument wasn't directly comparing Qatar to the US, I was just giving an example to why " Qatar is a shit country with not human rights" is an invalid reason.
Qataries ARE passionate about football, but no way in hell will they ever have a proper team. Their are about 400,000 Qataries in the world. True, the stadiums will be useless after the world cup. Although they do plan to remove the seats and donate them. Qatar is not the BEST country to host the world cup obviously, but it is without doubt the best choice from the Middle East.
About the US immigrant thing, it's not like there is an exclusive exception on sporting events. If such things happen in the country, then they will happen when the sporting event is being prepared for.
I don't disagree that Qatar has no history in the sport and that the world cup wouldn't encourage football in this country. I also didn't disagree about the heat ( I actually was with it?)
My argument wasn't directly comparing Qatar to the US, I was just giving an example to why " Qatar is a **** country with no human rights" is an invalid reason.
@Dynast im not talking about the people, im speaking about the system, im not attacking Europeen simple people or muslims or jewish.... They are like king henry they dont know sh*t about whats happening.
How people behave is not the problem, they are nations like US, Eu, Israel and Qatar that are creating conflicts for financial reason, its easier to steal a nation when people are down and in a civilian war, Iraq, Libye, Nigeria, Congo, Somalia, Syrian people all are dying for political and domination issues...
Dont get me wrong, i know that people even in north Korea arent responsible, i have any hate towards US ciizens or even true jewish people...
When i say a terrorist nation, its a nation capable of attacking another country for money or land or ressources, or to stop their development and its not a conspiracy, if people dont understand this, humanity is dead...
The people living in US or Europe dont decide nothing, as in Saudia or Israel, but they should be more responsable and aware of what happening...
In France, we have laws to end all of this sh*t, we have a good constitution but they mad people ignorant and missinformed, and this is why French people lost any sense of critic, we became a dictature in disguise with the same faces taking power and serving the bank and Eu dictature... Very sad indeed.
^ Basically, every country ever is a terrorist country. If any country was able to attack another for money, land, or resources they would do it in a heartbeat.
@dynastian98
Well i think every rich country , have used immigrants to build infrastructures to prepare for major sport events . In some places they are very extreme ( like Qatar in this case ) and in some less . Also Those countries with foundations were build with Illegal workers , more or less . It is easy to make Qatar as a scapegoat .
Ok one more point I'd like to explain, though extremely irrelevant and might be against Qatar host bid.
Qatar does not take host the world cup for footballing reasons. It's mainly an economical reason. It's basically a big publicity stunt to strengthen their economy. They have been trying very hard and have been investing billions into making their economy not natural gas, their main natural resource, dependent. They've pursued this in many different ways and this is just one of them.
@Zakzook
And that is just one of the reasons, like you said, against Qatar's host bid. If they wanted the publicity, the Olympics would've been a better choice. The Olympics are all about "harmony" and "peace" between nations and all that, so it would've been much easier for them to host that. The World Cup is about football, and football only. Only footballing nations deserve to host it, and unfortunately, Qatar is not one of them. None of the Middle-Eastern nations are (except maybe Iraq, but they have too much bullsh*t going in their country right now).
@Zakzook Glad to see you here and explain others how it works in Qatar, someone i know went there to play Football in a Qatari club, they took his passport and didnt pay him for a while, he has French Nationality and talk a little Arab, and actually cant go back to France now, you may also hear about many others, one of them wrote a letter to Zidane to help him quit Qatar.
Other thing there, they are few Qataries in Qatar, 10 per cent ? And their constitution is racist, if you marry a non Qatarian girl, you lose many rights and your children as well.
If the Union is 100 per cent Qatarian, the wedding is free, and the country help them to play a good role in the nation.
Thats a kind of injustice toward foreigners...
Zakzook, as someone born there, you should have absolutely the same rights, its disgraceful that people are born somewhere and doesnt feel they belongs to mother-country.
@Zakzook Glad to see you here and explain others how it works in Qatar, one of my friends went there to play Football in a Qatari club, they took his passport and didnt pay him for a while, he has French Nationality and talk a little Arab, and actually cant go back to France as if he is in jail, he told me about the racism there...
Other thing there, they are few Qataries in Qatar, 10 per cent ? And their constitution is racist, if you marry a non Qatarian girl, you lose many rights and your children as well.
If the Union is 100 per cent Qatarian, the wedding is free, and the country help them to play a good role in the nation.
Thats a kind of injustice toward foreigners...
Zakzook, as someone born their, you should have absolutely the same rights, its disgraceful that people are born somewhere and doesnt feel he belongs to there.
@Zakzook Glad to see you here and explain others how it works in Qatar, one of my friends went there to play Football in a Qatari club, they took his passport and didnt pay him for a while, he has French Nationality and talk a little Arab, and actually cant go back to France now, he told me about the racism there...
Other thing there, they are few Qataries in Qatar, 10 per cent ? And their constitution is racist, if you marry a non Qatarian girl, you lose many rights and your children as well.
If the Union is 100 per cent Qatarian, the wedding is free, and the country help them to play a good role in the nation.
Thats a kind of injustice toward foreigners...
Zakzook, as someone born their, you should have absolutely the same rights, its disgraceful that people are born somewhere and doesnt feel he belongs to there.
@Zakzook Glad to see you here and explain others how it works in Qatar, one of my friends went there to play Football in a Qatari club, they took his passport and didnt pay him for a while, he has French Nationality and talk a little Arab, and actually cant go back to France now, he told me about the racism there...
Other thing there, they are few Qataries in Qatar, 10 per cent ? And their constitution is racist, if you marry a non Qatarian girl, you lose many rights and your children as well.
If the Union is 100 per cent Qatarian, the wedding is free, and the country help them to play a good role in the nation.
Thats a kind of injustice toward foreigners...
Zakzook, as someone born there, you should have absolutely the same rights, its disgraceful that people are born somewhere and doesnt feel they belongs to mother-country.
@Zakzook Glad to see you here and explain others how it works in Qatar, one of my friends went there to play Football in a Qatari club, they took his passport and didnt pay him for a while, he has French Nationality and talk a little Arab, and actually cant go back to France now, you may also hear about many others, one of them wrote a letter to Zidane to help him quit Qatar.
Other thing there, they are few Qataries in Qatar, 10 per cent ? And their constitution is racist, if you marry a non Qatarian girl, you lose many rights and your children as well.
If the Union is 100 per cent Qatarian, the wedding is free, and the country help them to play a good role in the nation.
Thats a kind of injustice toward foreigners...
Zakzook, as someone born there, you should have absolutely the same rights, its disgraceful that people are born somewhere and doesnt feel they belongs to mother-country.
^ It's also a general rule if you have 2 Arab parents, you get your father's passport ONLY. You're not allowed to have 2 Arabic passports. If you marry a non-Qataran girl, you don't lose anything. However, if a Qataran girl marries a non-Qataran guy, she may lose some rights.
It's not racism, it's just that they don't want an overflow of Qataries because then they would not be able to give a service as good. About the problems with the players and such... It has NOTHING to do with the government. The problem is with some Qataries themselves. The government tries hard to fix the country but the Qataries themselves are almost always a liability. There is corruption because you can cheat your way into almost anything if you know the right people and that's how these people are being held in Qatar.
Also, may I add that a lot of these problems are being cracked down now. Recently the prince(Tamim) took over from his father(Hamad). He's been much more strict and fired almost all the ministers. The new ministers are doing a much better job. One of the head ministers is even going in disguise into the smaller ministries in his department to find out what's actually happening.
Did I make a mistake posting this? xD
@Rama
No, it's fine. The non-Qatari members are learning a lot more about Qatar than they expected to (including myself).
^ I am not Qatari QQ. I just lived here for a long time but I'm still Syrian.
Also, found ouut KingHenry was right. They can't leave whenever they want but they can leave after a certain amount of time. The rules have changed even more recently so I have no idea. It's part of the reforms happening with the new prince coming.
all your discussion lead to 1 point: Fifa bidding on Qatar is one big corrupted piece of crap... I wouldn't mind which nation is holding it (islamic or whatever), what we should mind is: THIS IS FOOTBALL! give it to some countries who at least has some people like to watch it. in 1994, at least football in America is in the raising, and they are a huge nation.
And it has to be playable. >50 people can't even breath.
**FIFA president Sepp Blatter has admitted that it was "a mistake" to choose Qatar to host the 2022 World Cup.
**Blatter said that the technical report into Qatar's bid had warned that it was too hot but despite that, FIFA's executive committee had voted for the Middle Eastern country.
The FIFA president said it was now "probable" that it would be played in the winter rather than the summer due to the heatBlatter told Swiss TV station RTS: "Yes, it was a mistake of course, but one makes lots of mistakes in life. "The technical report into Qatar said clearly it was too hot but the executive committee - with a large majority decided all the same to play it in Qatar."
There have also been numerous corruption allegations about the bidding process for the tournament and reports of alleged abuses of the rights of migrant workers employed on World Cup projects.
Blatter insisted however that Qatar had not "bought" the World Cup - the bid did spend large amounts of money on sponsorship and development programmes. He added: "No, I have never said it was bought, but that it was due to political considerations."
A report in the Daily Mirror in March claimed that over a thousand people have died in Qatar during their £39 billion building spree for the 2022 World Cup.
In a Special Report for Eurosport last September, Philippe Auclair exposed the unseen human cost of holding the World Cup in Qatar. "Qatar can boast of the highest GDP per capita in the world - $106,000 (£68,000) in 2012, according to the International Monetary Fund. But this figure doesn’t reflect the huge disparity between the incomes of Qatari nationals and the non-national transients who make the overwhelming majority of the population, and whose lot is a sorry one," wrote Auclair.
"The recruitment process itself is highly suspect, relying on a system of sponsorship via placement agencies which is widely abused; passports may be confiscated on arrival; and, once in situ, those immigrants are routinely denied basic rights granted to workers in most parts of the world. They are de facto non-citizens. Football has, so far, chosen to ignore this.
"According to all independent reports, those migrant workers toil six days a week (no summer break for them), 10 hours a day, for less than $10 (£6.40) a shift. They are crammed in rudimentary camps mostly devoid of decent sanitation and – not a luxury in Qatar – air conditioning.
"Though official statistics are not available, credible evidence has emerged tosuggest a staggering death rate among the young, fit men who come to work there."
FIFA president Sepp Blatter has admitted that it was "a mistake" to choose Qatar to host the 2022 World Cup.Blatter said that the technical report into Qatar's bid had warned that
it was too hot but despite that, FIFA's executive committee had voted
for the Middle Eastern country.
The FIFA president said it was now "probable" that it would be played in the winter rather than the summer due to the heat
Blatter told Swiss TV station RTS: "Yes, it was a mistake of course, but one makes lots of mistakes in life.
"The technical report into Qatar said clearly it was too hot but the
executive committee - with a large majority - decided all the same to
play it in Qatar."
There have also been numerous
corruption allegations about the bidding process for the tournament and
reports of alleged abuses of the rights of migrant workers employed on
World Cup projects.
Blatter
insisted however that Qatar had not "bought" the World Cup - the bid did
spend large amounts of money on sponsorship and development programmes.
He added: "No, I have never said it was bought, but that it was due to political considerations."
A report in the Daily Mirror in March claimed that over a thousand people have died in Qatar during their £39 billion building spree for the 2022 World Cup.
In a Special Report for Eurosport last September, Philippe Auclair exposed the unseen human cost of holding the World Cup in Qatar.
"Qatar can boast of the highest
GDP per capita in the world - $106,000 (£68,000) in 2012, according to
the International Monetary Fund. But this figure doesn’t reflect the
huge disparity between the incomes of Qatari nationals and the
non-national transients who make the overwhelming majority of the
population, and whose lot is a sorry one," wrote Auclair.
"The
recruitment process itself is highly suspect, relying on a system of
sponsorship via placement agencies which is widely abused; passports may
be confiscated on arrival; and, once in situ, those immigrants are
routinely denied basic rights granted to workers in most parts of the
world. They are de facto non-citizens. Football has, so far, chosen to
ignore this.
"According to all
independent reports, those migrant workers toil six days a week (no
summer break for them), 10 hours a day, for less than $10 (£6.40) a
shift. They are crammed in rudimentary camps mostly devoid of decent
sanitation and – not a luxury in Qatar – air conditioning.
"Though
official statistics are not available, credible evidence has emerged to
suggest a staggering death rate among the young, fit men who come to
work there."