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knibis
10 years ago
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tbh Barcelona steals alot of talents from other La Liga clubs youth systems... but i do agree that City, Chelsea etc are worse when it comes to stealing kids
tbh Barcelona steals alot of talents from other La Liga clubs youth systems...
AlexBatak
10 years ago
@Knibis "but i do agree that City, Chelsea etc are worse when it comes to stealing kids"
Please elaborate "stealing kids". Because if playing for Chelsea is called stealing kids then I would gladly love to be stolen... Let alone how much they earn to play for such a big club that I would play for, even for free.
Salahadin
10 years ago
The rule is unreasonable imo. Instead of destroying some kids dream and a future of a club they should instead plant rules for youth players to not be stolen by other youth clubs unless both agrees. Something around that.
Barca did nothing wrong in my book.
quikzyyy
10 years ago
Alex is kinda right, big clubs will always have an advantage of getting young prospects.
Let's imagine you're Real Madrid fan, young talent and Barcelona calls you. Would you join? Or just stay somewhere in 3rd division. I believe everyone of us would join.
If FIFA once banned them, why they let Barcelona sign players. Barcelona can again appeal on FIFA next transfer windows, and sign players like this time.
gagagoodlife
10 years ago
^ Maybe there's a rule that allowed them to do that. Everyone must follow the rules, and that includes FIFA.
Dynastian98
10 years ago
Barcelona's La Masia has created some wonderful talents in recent history, but aside from that, think of all the young players who are stuck in a foreign country, unable to ever play for the first team and get a job.
DonAndres called it a 'dream' to play for La Masia. I agree with Vendetta that it is indeed a 'nightmare'. It is a nightmare if your family is half-way around the world, have no money, and you are stuck in a country where you don't know the language, culture, and depend on breaking into a team with the likes of Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, and plenty of other high-paid players to save your life and career. What have been the chances of a La Masia player breaking into the first-team? One or two per season. Out of the 100+ that are in the academy.
@DonAndres
You speak of Arsenal acquiring Cesc as a 16-year-old being equivalent to Barca's child trafficking. It is not. There is a special rule that allows EU teams to acquire other EU players at the discretion of the player and his parents. Cesc is Spanish, and falls into that category. Barcelona are being charged for acquiring players under 18 from Africa, Asia, and South America. Think about that. African kids who are unbelievably poor being dragged into an academy where their only hope is to be able to be good enough to break into a team of superstars. Josep Guardiola is not in charge anymore. The chances are immeasurably low.
The ban is completely fair, however, letting Barca buy players in the first month of this transfer window results in rendering the ban useless. FIFA basically let Barca buy all the players they need for the next 2 years, and get away with it.
tiki_taka
10 years ago
A nightmare ? Many Masia players are playing for other Liga clubs just like el Cantera ones...
Do you know how much they earn ? At least 100K euros per month, if this is not success then what is this.
Yes not all of them break into the first team, but they got enough formation to break elsewhere and become proffessionals.
You have a reaction of a guy from a rich country, Dounga or Diagme who came from Cameroun, in that country people would kill to cross the sea and go work in Europe with the lowest salary of Europeen standard, let alone being proffessional.
Your point is very odd to me, but you can have it.
Tuanis
10 years ago
People are miss-using the word "unfair"
In this case it is actually a fair ban because they broke a rule. End of the story.
In the other hand it seems like an unreasonable rule to have for some people but you need to approach this issue from a non-football point of view. In many countries around the world the legal age for a person to be working full time and receive a salary for it may be around 18. If FIFA doesn't put a rule to make all football clubs only sign young players of a given age then the country's rules would apply for each individual case making it UNFAIR (correct use). f.e. If in India the rules state you can start working since you are 10 then Indian clubs would have an advantage to sign youth players of a certain age which many other clubs wouldn't be able to sign. FIFA try to make it fair for every club by having a standardised age for it.
Why not having the age be 15 or lower? Well... That would put clubs into a harder situation because if the age that FIFA has set is 15 then there could be situations where the different countries have a higher than 15 legality rule for working and receiving salary which will either make a mess between country's laws and FIFA or be back on the unfair issue were some countries would have the advantage about this "limitation".
So, in conclusion... Stop winning about it, it is a fair punishment (dont know about the length of it) and it IS a reasonable rule to have.
In other sports you would need to wait until the player is around 21/23 to sign them or wait until they finish college so football is actually the most permissive sport right now with this matter.
btw: in Spain you would need to be at least 18 to have a full-job and or be signed to work for salary, so blame Spain as well, FIFA is the one who's got the balls to give them the punishment.
btw #2: there is no UEFALONA here. Neither FIFA or UEFA helped Barcelona with the bann in order for them to sign players, Barcelona was clever enough to appeal when they needed to so that they could use some of the transfer time while the appeal process was in progress...
tiki_taka
10 years ago
The Masia is a school, not a factory. And these are considered as studies, not job with salaries, the youth earn nothing until they sign a contract, the fact clubs steal players by offering them Huge contracts at an early age like Fabregas case 17yo is worse for me.
The only reason we want youth players is that la masia needs time to teach them our way of playing, its too late at 18. I dont know why bringing a player at the age of 15 to a formation school is considered like a transfert, a job or a work....Youth are still practicing in a formation center.
In Spain you have the word Crack, a young Crack is a genious teenager in Footballing terms but needs appropriate formation to break into the professional world, many centers are doing the same : Aspire in Qatar for example.
You can see it as a highschool for Cracks, when you studie you arent yet considered as a worker.
Im not whining about the sanction, i dont want to hear moral lessons from Clubs who never form steal youth from their formator clubs by giving them their first ''job'' at an expensive salary.
This should be banned too, if his formator club refuses the player to leave for another club without an autorization from them, what do you think about it ?
Dynastian98
10 years ago
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@Tiki
"the fact clubs steal players by offering them Huge contracts at an early age like Fabregas case 17yo is worse for me."
If a young player wants to leave for another club that is offering him a massive salary, why wouldn't he take it? It is a job opportunity at a better wage, and potentially a better place. Look how well Fabregas turned out at Arsenal. Did he ever replicate that form at Barcelona? Nope.
@Tiki
"the fact clubs steal players by offering them Huge contracts at an early age like Fabregas case 17yo is worse for me."
If a young player wants to leave for another club that is offering him a massive salary, why wouldn't he take it? It is a job opportunity at a better wage, and potentially a better place. Look how well Fabregas turned out at Arsenal. Did he ever replicate that form at Barcelona? Nope.
tiki_taka
10 years ago
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''Look how well ×Fabregas turned out at Arsenal. Did he ever replicate that form at Barcelona? Nope.''
The fabregas argument was pointless, replicate or not is out of topic.
A teenager after spending 4 years formation or more in a club, leaving for free because some clubs offer him crazy contractsyou find this logical ? thats what i was telling to tuanis, they have no wages they sign their first contract, if they got a contract they would get sold if they wanted to leave, they wouldnt go for free or without an agreement.
Can you make a diference between formation center youth, and players who already signed pro ?
The fabregas argument was pointless, replicate or not is out of topic.
The fabregas argument was pointless, replicate or not is out of topic.
A teenager after spending 4 years formation or more in a club, leaving for free because some clubs offer him crazy contractsyou find this logical ? thats what i was telling to tuanis, they have no wages they sign their first contract, if they got a contract they would get sold if they wanted to leave.
Can you make a diference between formation center youth, and players who already signed pro ?
''Look how well ×Fabregas turned out at Arsenal. Did he ever replicate that form at Barcelona? Nope.''
The fabregas argument was pointless, replicate or not is out of topic.
A teenager after spending 4 years formation or more in a club, leaving for free because some clubs offer him crazy contractsyou find this logical ? thats what i was telling to tuanis, they have no wages they sign their first contract, if they got a contract they would get sold if they wanted to leave.
Can you make a diference between formation center youth, and players who already signed pro ?
ashwin1729
10 years ago
Barca should not be allowed to make transfers to get new players. The current players should be allowed to leave however. That would have been a fair ban in my opinion as the players did not make the mistake...
Dynastian98
10 years ago
It's the player's decision if he wants to leave or not. As a EU citizen, Cesc had absolute right to choose to play for Arsenal or Barcelona when he is offered a contract. Where he goes is his choice, no one can stop him. It is his own future, and he can easily find his way back home to his family if any problems arise. That is not the case with African or Asian children.
TheGame
10 years ago
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BBC report: "Fifa rules state that international transfers are only permitted for players over the age of 18 - unless the player in question meets one of three qualifying criteria.Under-18s can move to a club in a different country if their parents move there for non-footballing reasons, if they are from another nation within the European Union or European Economic Area and aged between 16 and 18, or if they live within 100km of the club.A Fifa investigation - centered on several players aged under 18 who were registered and played for the club between 2009 and 2013 - found that Barcelona and the RFEF were guilty of a "serious" infringement of the rules in relation to 10 players."
Anyone who is against Barca being punished are for monopolization of football and frankly should be ashamed of themselves. If you genuinely want to make football a global sport, where there is more diversity in teams featuring in top competitions then by all means you should support this law. It is not like they are forced to remain in their own countries for life. Just until they are 18. And most of these players can join their local clubs and academies, where they actually learn unique philosophies of football. The fact is that those academies are not as good as La Masia, but that doesn't mean that Barca should take out a checkbook and deprive other nations of quality young talent that could be used to elevate their own academies and footballing standards. This shouldn't even be debated as it was reported Barca have broken the rules with 10 players! Clearly they think they are above the law.
BBC report:
Fifa rules state that international transfers are only permitted for players over the age of 18 - unless the player in question meets one of three qualifying criteria.
Under-18s can move to a club in a different country if their parents move there for non-footballing reasons, if they are from another nation within the European Union or European Economic Area and aged between 16 and 18, or if they live within 100km of the club.
A Fifa investigation - centered on several players aged under 18 who were registered and played for the club between 2009 and 2013 - found that Barcelona and the RFEF were guilty of a "serious" infringement of the rules in relation to 10 players.
Anyone who is against Barca being punished are for monopolization of football and frankly should be ashamed of themselves. If you genuinely want to make football a global sport, where there is more competition and diversity in teams featuring in top competitions then by all means you should support this law.
@Dynastian98,"think of all the young players who are stuck in a foreign country, unable to ever play for the first team and get a job." Mate, you are blowing this way out of proportion. It is not like they are forced to remain in their own countries for life. Just until they are 18. And most of these players can join their local clubs and academies, where they actually learn unique philosophies of football. The fact is that those academies are not as good as La Masia, but that doesn't mean that Barca should take out a checkbook and deprive other nations of quality young talent that could be used to create elevate their own academies. This shouldn't even be debated as it was reported Barca have done this with 10 players! Clearly they think they are above the law.
BBC report: "Fifa rules state that international transfers are only permitted for players over the age of 18 - unless the player in question meets one of three qualifying criteria.Under-18s can move to a club in a different country if their parents move there for non-footballing reasons, if they are from another nation within the European Union or European Economic Area and aged between 16 and 18, or if they live within 100km of the club.A Fifa investigation - centered on several players aged under 18 who were registered and played for the club between 2009 and 2013 - found that Barcelona and the RFEF were guilty of a "serious" infringement of the rules in relation to 10 players."
Anyone who is against Barca being punished are for monopolization of football and frankly should be ashamed of themselves. If you genuinely want to make football a global sport, where there is more competition and diversity in teams featuring in top competitions then by all means you should support this law. @Dynastian98,"think of all the young players who are stuck in a foreign country, unable to ever play for the first team and get a job." Mate, you are blowing this way out of proportion. It is not like they are forced to remain in their own countries for life. Just until they are 18. And most of these players can join their local clubs and academies, where they actually learn unique philosophies of football. The fact is that those academies are not as good as La Masia, but that doesn't mean that Barca should take out a checkbook and deprive other nations of quality young talent that could be used to create elevate their own academies. This shouldn't even be debated as it was reported Barca have done this with 10 players! Clearly they think they are above the law.
BBC report: "Fifa rules state that international transfers are only permitted for players over the age of 18 - unless the player in question meets one of three qualifying criteria.Under-18s can move to a club in a different country if their parents move there for non-footballing reasons, if they are from another nation within the European Union or European Economic Area and aged between 16 and 18, or if they live within 100km of the club.A Fifa investigation - centered on several players aged under 18 who were registered and played for the club between 2009 and 2013 - found that Barcelona and the RFEF were guilty of a "serious" infringement of the rules in relation to 10 players."
Anyone who is against Barca being punished are for monopolization of football and frankly should be ashamed of themselves. If you genuinely want to make football a global sport, where there is more competition and diversity in teams featuring in top competitions then by all means you should support this law. @Dynastian98,"think of all the young players who are stuck in a foreign country, unable to ever play for the first team and get a job." Mate, you are blowing this way out of proportion. It is not like they are forced to remain in their own countries for life. Just until they are 18. And most of these players can join their local clubs and academies, where they actually learn unique philosophies of football. The fact is that those academies are not as good as La Masia, but that doesn't mean that Barca should take out a checkbook and deprive other nations of quality young talent that could be used to elevate their own academies and footballing standards. This shouldn't even be debated as it was reported Barca have done this with 10 players! Clearly they think they are above the law.
BBC report: "Fifa rules state that international transfers are only permitted for players over the age of 18 - unless the player in question meets one of three qualifying criteria.Under-18s can move to a club in a different country if their parents move there for non-footballing reasons, if they are from another nation within the European Union or European Economic Area and aged between 16 and 18, or if they live within 100km of the club.A Fifa investigation - centered on several players aged under 18 who were registered and played for the club between 2009 and 2013 - found that Barcelona and the RFEF were guilty of a "serious" infringement of the rules in relation to 10 players."
Anyone who is against Barca being punished are for monopolization of football and frankly should be ashamed of themselves. If you genuinely want to make football a global sport, where there is more competition and diversity in teams featuring in top competitions then by all means you should support this law. It is not like they are forced to remain in their own countries for life. Just until they are 18. And most of these players can join their local clubs and academies, where they actually learn unique philosophies of football. The fact is that those academies are not as good as La Masia, but that doesn't mean that Barca should take out a checkbook and deprive other nations of quality young talent that could be used to elevate their own academies and footballing standards. This shouldn't even be debated as it was reported Barca have done this with 10 players! Clearly they think they are above the law.
BBC report: "Fifa rules state that international transfers are only permitted for players over the age of 18 - unless the player in question meets one of three qualifying criteria.Under-18s can move to a club in a different country if their parents move there for non-footballing reasons, if they are from another nation within the European Union or European Economic Area and aged between 16 and 18, or if they live within 100km of the club.A Fifa investigation - centered on several players aged under 18 who were registered and played for the club between 2009 and 2013 - found that Barcelona and the RFEF were guilty of a "serious" infringement of the rules in relation to 10 players."
Anyone who is against Barca being punished are for monopolization of football and frankly should be ashamed of themselves. If you genuinely want to make football a global sport, where there is more competition and diversity in teams featuring in top competitions then by all means you should support this law. It is not like they are forced to remain in their own countries for life. Just until they are 18. And most of these players can join their local clubs and academies, where they actually learn unique philosophies of football. The fact is that those academies are not as good as La Masia, but that doesn't mean that Barca should take out a checkbook and deprive other nations of quality young talent that could be used to elevate their own academies and footballing standards. This shouldn't even be debated as it was reported Barca have broken the rules with 10 players! Clearly they think they are above the law.
Eden17Hazard17
10 years ago
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I think its fair.
Also, Jack Rodwell or someone else said a while ago that young able footballers should not join a club like City. Same with Barca
I think its fair. Jack Rodwell or someone else said a while ago that young able footballers should not join a club like City. Same with Barca
Dynastian98
10 years ago
Lol, @Eden. I think you missed the point.
decentK
10 years ago
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Tuan you're absolutely spot on, also Tiki_taka's point is really great imo: "bringing someone from Africa at the age of 15yo and give him a chance
nobody in his City can even dream of it, not waiting for him to reach aa
level he would never reach in his country."
Tuan you're absolutely spot on, also Tiki_taka's is really great imo: "bringing someone from Africa at the age of 15yo and give him a chance
nobody in his City can even dream of it, not waiting for him to reach aa
level he would never reach in his country."
The FIFA Appeal Committee has decided to reject the appeals lodged by Spanish club FC Barcelona and the Real Federación Española de Fútbol (RFEF) and to confirm in their entirety the decisions rendered by the FIFA Disciplinary Committee in the respective cases relating to the protection of minors.
As such, FC Barcelona is to serve a transfer ban which will see the club prevented from registering any players at both national and international level for two complete and consecutive transfer periods, starting with the next registration period (January 2015) given that the appeal of the club had been granted suspensive effect by the chairman of the FIFA Appeal Committee. FC Barcelona has also been ordered to pay a fine of CHF 450,000 and been given a period of 90 days from today in which to regularise the situation of all minor players concerned.
Meanwhile, the RFEF has been ordered to pay a fine of CHF 500,000 and granted a period of one year in which to regularise their regulatory framework and existing system concerning the international transfer of minors in football.
The terms of the decisions taken by the FIFA Appeal Committee were communicated to FC Barcelona and the RFEF today.
SOURCE: http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/organisation/news/newsid=2423945/index.html
The FIFA Appeal Committee has decided to reject the appeals lodged by Spanish club FC Barcelona and the Real Federación Española de Fútbol (RFEF) and to confirm in their entirety the decisions rendered by the FIFA Disciplinary Committee in the respective cases relating to the protection of minors.
As such, FC Barcelona is to serve a transfer ban which will see the club prevented from registering any players at both national and international level for two complete and consecutive transfer periods, starting with the next registration period (January 2015) given that the appeal of the club had been granted suspensive effect by the chairman of the FIFA Appeal Committee. FC Barcelona has also been ordered to pay a fine of CHF 450,000 and been given a period of 90 days from today in which to regularise the situation of all minor players concerned.
Meanwhile, the RFEF has been ordered to pay a fine of CHF 500,000 and granted a period of one year in which to regularise their regulatory framework and existing system concerning the international transfer of minors in football.
The terms of the decisions taken by the FIFA Appeal Committee were communicated to FC Barcelona and the RFEF today.
SOURCE: http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/organisation/news/newsid=2423945/index.html