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Man. City vs. Spurs post match talk
quikzyyy 6 years ago
Arsenal 429 9010

I'm stunned, what a game this was, best drama of the season so far?

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Marcus2011 6 years ago
Chelsea FC, England 277 6501

Man get behind English club reaching the final. I could care less about Ajax reaching final but I can understand you too. I believe Spurs will get it done. Spurs are awkward team to play against in CL. Ajax won't able to repeat similar comebacks

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Marcus2011 6 years ago Edited
Chelsea FC, England 277 6501

@tuan

Rules clearly state you can't score a goal with your hand, but he never scored it with his hand. Yes it touched his hands that were tucked in ( should he have shoved his hands up his arse ?) , but ball went in because of his hip.

You calling things pretty stupid but yet fail to read the law more carefully and analyze it in THE CONTEXT OF THE PLAY.

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@tuan

Rules clearly state you can't score a goal with your hand, but he never scored it with his hand. Yes it touched his hands that were tucked in ( should he have shoved his hands up his arse ?) , but ball went in because of his hip.

You calling things pretty stupid but yet fail to read the law more carefully and analyze in THE CONTEXT OF THE PLAY.

iHEARTfootball 6 years ago Edited
Manchester United 38 1000

When it comes to handballs, there's that tricky line in-between whether or not it was intentional. Llorente's hand did touch the ball, yes, but I don't think he intended it. It's always hard to make these calls, and the ref made the right one in my eyes. However, in another universe, the ref would most definitely call that a handball.

This incident, alongside many other similar incidences, should engender discussions to make clear of what a handball should be labelled as, because right now it's still a 50/50 call. Intentional or not, it may depend on the referee you have on the night. I hope that, in the future, we would have the technology to swiftly analyse the psyche of these players, so that we can determine the intentions behind their actions, including handballs.

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When it comes to handballs, there's that tricky balance between whether or not it was intentional. Lloris's hand did touch the ball, yes, but I don't think he intended it. It's always hard to make these calls, and the ref made the right one in my eyes. However, in another universe, the ref would most definitely call that a handball.

This incident, alongside many other similar incidences, should engender discussion to make clear of what a handball should be labelled as, because right now it's still a 50/50 call. Intentional or not, it's may depend on the referee you have on the right. I hope that, in the future, we would have the technology to analyse the psyche of these players in real time, so that we can determine the intentions behind their actions, including handballs.

When it comes to handballs, there's that tricky balance between whether or not it was intentional. Llorente's hand did touch the ball, yes, but I don't think he intended it. It's always hard to make these calls, and the ref made the right one in my eyes. However, in another universe, the ref would most definitely call that a handball.

This incident, alongside many other similar incidences, should engender discussion to make clear of what a handball should be labelled as, because right now it's still a 50/50 call. Intentional or not, it may depend on the referee you have on the night. I hope that, in the future, we would have the technology to swiftly analyse the psyche of these players, so that we can determine the intentions behind their actions, including handballs.

When it comes to handballs, there's that tricky line in-between whether or not it was intentional. Llorente's hand did touch the ball, yes, but I don't think he intended it. It's always hard to make these calls, and the ref made the right one in my eyes. However, in another universe, the ref would most definitely call that a handball.

This incident, alongside many other similar incidences, should engender discussion to make clear of what a handball should be labelled as, because right now it's still a 50/50 call. Intentional or not, it may depend on the referee you have on the night. I hope that, in the future, we would have the technology to swiftly analyse the psyche of these players, so that we can determine the intentions behind their actions, including handballs.

Marcus2011 6 years ago Edited
Chelsea FC, England 277 6501

We have VAR now and we can see wether it was intentional or not. I don’t see any problem with law as it already is pretty strict. Player cant score it with his hand and if it hit his hands before then it should be in natural position or tucked to body. Simple. Unless we figure out how to get rid of arms before match begins. And balls boys will do ball handling and throw ins for players.

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We have VAR now and we can see wether it was intentional or not. I don’t see any problem with law as it already is pretty strict. Player cant score it with his hand and if it hit his hands before then it should be in natural position or tucked to body. Simple. Unless we figure out how to get rid of arms before match begins.

Dynastian98 6 years ago
Real Madrid 483 7140

Apparently they're going to change handball rules soon. They're going to make it very easy and obvious - if it touches the offensive player's hand at any point prior to entering the net, whether it is intentional or not, then the goal will be disallowed.

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quikzyyy 6 years ago
Arsenal 429 9010

read it too, seems stupid for me...

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iHEARTfootball 6 years ago Edited
Manchester United 38 1000

We have VAR now and we can see wether it was intentional or not...Player cant score it with his hand and if it hit his hands before then it should be in natural position or tucked to body. Simple.

I'm gonna disagree with you there. VAR does bring us closer to determine the intentions of a player's action in the form of a replay, but it isn't the final solution yet. Once players know what is classified as "intentional" through analysing past VAR incidences, this would perhaps provide them opportunities to start bending the rules a little and play handballs in certain ways in the game that would look "natural" to the naked eye, but in their minds, it was all intentional. I don't know, I'm just spitballing here. This is a new level of improvement I want to see in the future, analysing the players' brain activity during the game (in real-time) will definitely help differentiate whether or not there was decision-making involved behind any fouls that look unintentional.

Right now, the safest option (to me) is to call any handball a foul, and this also include the natural stances unfortunately. It was already mentioned by Dynastian:

They're going to make it very easy and obvious - if it touches the offensive player's hand at any point prior to entering the net, whether it is intentional or not, then the goal will be disallowed.

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We have VAR now and we can see wether it was intentional or not...Player cant score it with his hand and if it hit his hands before then it should be in natural position or tucked to body. Simple.

I'm gonna disagree with you there. VAR does bring us closer to determine the intentions of a player's action in the form of a replay, but it isn't the final solution yet. Once players know what is classified as "intentional" through analysing past VAR incidences, this would perhaps provide them opportunities to start bending the rules a little and use handballs in certain way in the game that would look "natural" to the naked eye, but in their minds, it was all intentional. I don't know, I'm just spitballing here. This is a new level of improvement I want to see in the future, analysing the players' brain activity during the game (in real-time) will definitely help differentiate whether or not there was a decision-made behind the handball, intentional or not.

Right now, the safest option (to me) is to call any handball a foal, and this also include the natural stances unfortunately. It was already mentioned by Dynastian:

They're going to make it very easy and obvious - if it touches the offensive player's hand at any point prior to entering the net, whether it is intentional or not, then the goal will be disallowed.

We have VAR now and we can see wether it was intentional or not...Player cant score it with his hand and if it hit his hands before then it should be in natural position or tucked to body. Simple.

I'm gonna disagree with you there. VAR does bring us closer to determine the intentions of a player's action in the form of a replay, but it isn't the final solution yet. Once players know what is classified as "intentional" through analysing past VAR incidences, this would perhaps provide them opportunities to start bending the rules a little and play handballs in certain ways in the game that would look "natural" to the naked eye, but in their minds, it was all intentional. I don't know, I'm just spitballing here. This is a new level of improvement I want to see in the future, analysing the players' brain activity during the game (in real-time) will definitely help differentiate whether or not there was a decision-made behind the handball, intentional or not.

Right now, the safest option (to me) is to call any handball a foal, and this also include the natural stances unfortunately. It was already mentioned by Dynastian:

They're going to make it very easy and obvious - if it touches the offensive player's hand at any point prior to entering the net, whether it is intentional or not, then the goal will be disallowed.

We have VAR now and we can see wether it was intentional or not...Player cant score it with his hand and if it hit his hands before then it should be in natural position or tucked to body. Simple.

I'm gonna disagree with you there. VAR does bring us closer to determine the intentions of a player's action in the form of a replay, but it isn't the final solution yet. Once players know what is classified as "intentional" through analysing past VAR incidences, this would perhaps provide them opportunities to start bending the rules a little and play handballs in certain ways in the game that would look "natural" to the naked eye, but in their minds, it was all intentional. I don't know, I'm just spitballing here. This is a new level of improvement I want to see in the future, analysing the players' brain activity during the game (in real-time) will definitely help differentiate whether or not there was decision-making involved behind any foals that look unintentional.

Right now, the safest option (to me) is to call any handball a foal, and this also include the natural stances unfortunately. It was already mentioned by Dynastian:

They're going to make it very easy and obvious - if it touches the offensive player's hand at any point prior to entering the net, whether it is intentional or not, then the goal will be disallowed.

We have VAR now and we can see wether it was intentional or not...Player cant score it with his hand and if it hit his hands before then it should be in natural position or tucked to body. Simple.

I'm gonna disagree with you there. VAR does bring us closer to determine the intentions of a player's action in the form of a replay, but it isn't the final solution yet. Once players know what is classified as "intentional" through analysing past VAR incidences, this would perhaps provide them opportunities to start bending the rules a little and play handballs in certain ways in the game that would look "natural" to the naked eye, but in their minds, it was all intentional. I don't know, I'm just spitballing here. This is a new level of improvement I want to see in the future, analysing the players' brain activity during the game (in real-time) will definitely help differentiate whether or not there was decision-making involved behind any fouls that look unintentional.

Right now, the safest option (to me) is to call any handball a foal, and this also include the natural stances unfortunately. It was already mentioned by Dynastian:

They're going to make it very easy and obvious - if it touches the offensive player's hand at any point prior to entering the net, whether it is intentional or not, then the goal will be disallowed.

Marcus2011 6 years ago
Chelsea FC, England 277 6501

Ok i will spitball back at ya.

To pull something of is difficult. Also, every player, at least in my experience so I assume theirs too, was thought to keep their hands closer to their body since the day started to play football to avoid handball. How do you expect someone to make it unatrual within a split of a second? I don’t know how players will take adavntage of this and abuse it.

As far as calling every ball that touches hand is extremely dangerous and like aboved quikzy said : it is stupid . Exactly, in this instance players will take opportunities to bend the rule in their favor just like they bend intento al corner kicks or force someone into fouling them. This player can do because after all since player first started kicking ball , he has been sharpening his aim and skills. Do you think these players will miss your hand if they wish to in quick split of a secondsof defender gets caught with a fast powerful kick? Especially strikers who are vicious decision makers with their feet and almost most of them are very accurate. Amean just look at how they provoke corners or throw ins.

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Marcus2011 6 years ago
Chelsea FC, England 277 6501

Btw penalty against Croatia that broke their game wasn’t a penalty. France was fantastic but I still think Croatians were better and they were broken by stupidity ( or corruption of the referee which to me is most likely the case) of the refree

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Ledley 6 years ago Edited
Celtic, Australia 46 1310

I want to see in the future, analysing the players' brain activity during the game (in real-time) will definitely help differentiate whether or not there was decision-making involved behind any fouls.

are you being serious? what technology do you plan on using.

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I want to see in the future, analysing the players' brain activity during the game (in real-time) will definitely help differentiate whether or not there was decision-making involved behind any fouls.

are you being serious? what technology do you plan on using. How would you know its accurate. I don;t know if I can take this one seriously, the element of the unknown makes this game interesting.

iHEARTfootball 6 years ago
Manchester United 38 1000

are you being serious? what technology do you plan on using.

The technology right now (on top of the my head) that can perform this is an EEG, but I'm sure there are more advanced versions out there. Now, I'm not saying that we should have the players wear wires during the game while we analyse their brain activity. No way, obviously there needs to be a more invisible and integrated design in order to do this, wirelessly too. But again, I'm just thinking abstractly and spitting out an idea on how we continue merging technology into the game. People laughed at the prospect of bringing VR to the analyst desks in the beginning, and look how good of an addition it's been.

@marcus:
I see where you're coming from, and it's a grey area that needs to be addressed more. I also think the handball rule change is unfortunately a way to hide any potential human errors happening in the game. It sucks, but there was a similar incident happening in my club's game, I wouldn't want the referee calling in a foul against our favour, while another ref would say otherwise. You don't want your game to be affected depending on the referee, so perhaps this change may be for the better, so that there's equal treatment for all teams. I always ramble, sorry, but I'll just conclude with the side note, regarding Llorente's handball incident. I think it was unintentional, but I also think that the handball directed the ball towards the hip, leading to the goal. Just my opinion though.

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amir_keal 6 years ago
Arsenal, Netherlands 66 2895

NovaRuk

Son won't be playing in the 1st leg

Is that because of the amount of yellow cards he has gotten? If so, I'm pretty sure that gets reset now.

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Dynastian98 6 years ago Edited
Real Madrid 483 7140

@Amir

The rule is a bit confusing. This is how it works.

Usually, UEFA hands out a 1-game suspension for every 3 yellow cards you pick up. This begins in the group stage. But, they recently changed it so that every player has a "clean slate" after the quarter-finals.

The purpose of this clean-slate is to erase all existing accumulated yellow cards. So if Eriksen had accumulated 2 yellow cards from the first group stage game to the last game against City, he would begin the first Ajax game with 0. This ensures that even if Eriksen accumulates a yellow in each of the Ajax games, he will enter the final with AT MOST 2 yellow cards (which ensures that he won't miss the final unless he receives a red). The purpose of this rule is not to remove accumulation suspensions in the semis, but in the FINAL.

HOWEVER, in the case of Son, he had 2 yellow cards going in to the City game. During the City game, he received his 3rd. So now, he is suspended for the first Ajax game. His counter gets reset to 0, but the suspension stands.

In this case you are suspended for SF1, and the counter doesn't matter anymore because a suspension is every THREE yellow cards, and if you accumulate your 3rd in QF2 (like Son did), then you miss SF1, attend SF2, and therefore cannot by suspended via accumulation for the final anyways.

TL;DR

The last game you can be suspended for via accumulation of yellows is SF1. It's impossible to be suspended via accumulation for SF2 and the final itself. The rule's purpose is to prevent Xabi Alonso and Nedved situations from happening again where they picked up their 3rd yellow in SF2 and consequently was suspended for the final.

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@Amir

The rule is a bit confusing. This is how it works.

Usually, UEFA hands out a 1-game suspension for every 3 yellow cards you pick up. This begins in the group stage. But, they recently changed it so that every player has a "clean slate" after the quarter-finals.

The purpose of this clean-slate is to erase all existing accumulated yellow cards. So if Eriksen had accumulated 2 yellow cards from the first group stage game to the last game against City, he would begin the first Ajax game with 0. This ensures that even if Eriksen accumulates a yellow in each of the Ajax games, he will enter the final with AT MOST 2 yellow cards (which ensures that he won't miss the final unless he receives a red). The purpose of this rule is not to remove accumulation suspensions in the semis, but in the FINAL.

HOWEVER, in the case of Son, he had 2 yellow cards going in to the City game. During the City game, he received his 3rd. So now, he is suspended for the first Ajax game. His counter gets reset to 0, but the suspension stands. But in the case that you are suspended for SF1, the counter doesn't matter anymore because a suspension is every THREE yellow cards, and if you accumulate your 3rd in QF2 (like Son did), then you miss SF1, attend SF2, and therefore cannot by suspended via accumulation for the final anyways.

TL;DR

The last game you can be suspended for via accumulation of yellows is SF1. It's impossible to be suspended via accumulation for SF2 and the final itself. The rule's purpose is to prevent Xabi Alonso and Nedved situations from happening again where they picked up their 3rd yellow in SF2 and consequently was suspended for the final.

amir_keal 6 years ago
Arsenal, Netherlands 66 2895

Gotcha, thanks mate.

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