he could still go to RM, it's not like they're short on cash hahaha
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he could still go to RM, it's not like they're short on cash hahaha
Biggest mistake ever for Perez is over-exaggerating it. A big mistake yes, but definitely not his biggest.
i've had enough with this dumbass perez :S
First time i'm agree with this tiki taka kid!
@KingHenry Hope not :) But yes they can splash another 100M without any problem.
Suarez is simply amazing. You just can't hate him
Seems you people overestimate the "splashing 100 M" possibilities.
Bale was a huge risk. There was a reason Ozil was sold for 50 M Euros. Because we can't afford to splash 100 M on Bale without financial consequences. Our club may not have to pay taxes to the government, but Perez makes up for this by over-paying for transfers (cue Zidane, Figo, Ronaldo(s), Kaka, Bale, Beckham, etc.). Our club only has about 200 million in liquids, and we have around a 139 million debt, which is relatively manageable.
And yet, Perez goes and spends 100 million on Bale. The reality which people don't know is that Bale's transfer money has been paid via loans from Spanish banks. We can't afford to dish out 100 million's worth of liquids. It's just not realistically possible for any club (asides from those owned by billionaires). Buying Bale even with selling Ozil for half his price was a huge risk, and now Madrid have to lie low to manage their debt reasonably. That's why Perez agreed to buying youngsters like Isco, Illarra, Casemiro, and Carvajal, and promoting Morata and Jese. It's to prevent the need for the club spending tens of millions on players in the near future. It's also why he's so keen to renew contracts of players like Ronaldo, Pepe, and now Alonso. It's not just that they are integral to our team, but rather that their services are mandatory for Real Madrid to function both realistically, and financially. Just you watch, once RM regain their liquid money to a manageable amount (and pay off those loans), Perez won't give a rat's ass about the likes of Morata or Jese. They mean nothing to him. Just like Ozil meant nothing to him.
Just to point out how heartless Perez is, all the time during Bale's introduction at the Bernabeu, the entire stadium was screaming one thing, and one thing only. "Ozil not for sale!". And one day later, I see "Arsenal complete Mesut Ozil transfer" screaming at me in the headlines.
But there is a reason I'm happy that Suarez stays in England for at least one more year. The EPL realizes that no one in it averages above a goal-per-game not because the EPL teams are better than the La Liga teams, or that EPL has "better" defending. It's rather more like, "there's no one in the EPL on par with Messi or Ronaldo". That was the assumption we used to argue with for years, but there was no one in the EPL to prove that fact to us. Now, after seeing Suarez, we can finally prove that it takes something else to average more than a goal-per-game ratio. Suarez is indeed worthy of being on Messi and Ronaldo's goal-scoring level. Whether he can attain their legendary status, however, is something worth taking note of in the years to come.
Claude Makelele
I find it strange that very few realize that Perez doesnt really buy players because they are good or will help the team, but he buys superstars so he can make publicity around the club and claim it to be the "worlds biggest club". Its exactly what he did with Kaka. Bought a superstar for the purpose of buying and there you go. Beckham is also a great example, a brand managers dream.
Well, presumably Suarez is better than Ronaldo, then?
Come now, tiki (and Dynast). This doesn't prove what you're claiming it proves. Suarez having an incredible purple patch is not somehow a refutation of the stark reality that there is a great deal more emphasis on quality of defense in the PL.
If you recall Ronaldo had his Ballon d'Or year in 2008, where he got that incredible haul of 31 goal out of 34 games (in the league). Did he replicate that in the season after? No, he got 18. After being recognized as the best player in the world.
Let's not forget that Suarez has also been scoring huge tallies against, well, the crap end of the table. He picked up 1 against Palace, 1 against Sunderland. Then 3 against West Brom. 2 against Fulham. 4 against Norwich (the same Norwich that got whomped by City 7-0). 2 against West Ham. And then, to our shame, 2 against Spurs in a 5-0 mauling.
Where were his goals against Arsenal? Or against Newcastle? In the games where Liverpool themselves did not run absolutely riot over the opposition, he's not got as impressive a haul, with only one goal in the 3-3 with Everton as a goal against anyone in the top half of the table.
Now, I'm not trying to take stuff away from him, here. He's been simply amazing, and yes, there's no doubt in my mind that currently he's the best player in the league, on form. But it's also the case that Liverpool have found (like Arsenal have) the way to absolutely thrash the lower teams (and humiliate us, last weekend, which our performance thoroughly deserved).
And he may even go on to have a record-breaking season. Who knows, he might beat Ronaldo's record.
But until he scores 40, 46 and 34 in three successive seasons, like Ronaldo inflicted upon La Liga, or the majestic 34, 31, 50 and 46 that Messi did in four successive seasons, this is proving nothing.
It merely proves that he's an incredibly talent player having a great season.
Is RVP suddenly crap, now? He did, after all, get 30 goals two seasons ago, and 26 goals last season, in the league. Currently he has only 7 goals from the same number of games as Suarez. Does that mean he's not anywhere as good, suddenly?
No, it means that his team is not getting the results they are used to getting. Whereas, against the lower half of the table, Liverpool ARE.
We need to regain perspective, lads. Remember how everyone was talking about how City and Chelsea's early exit last season was a sign that the PL is 'on the decline'? Based upon ONE season's bad Europe results (and forgetting that Arsenal lost only on away goals to Bayern, and the silliness at Old Trafford depriving SAF of safe route to the semis). And look at THIS season: United and Chelsea topping their groups, City on equal points with Bayern, and Arsenal on equal points with BVB. Y'know, last year's finalists. Seems those 'decline' arguments rang a little hollow, and a little knee-jerk, no?
That's what this 'Suarez has proved that it's nothing to do with quality of defenses, just talent!' argument sounds like, to me.
Sorry to be the party pooper. :/
Again ?? Lodatz, there is 5 or 6 home games that are more dificult in EPL, the rest there is absolutely no diference :
they have found a way to humiliate lower and weak team ???
Ohhh finally...... Welcome to Messi/Cr7 world, why others cant do that ??
Its not La Liga fault if Totenham or chelsea players cant score against weak teams....
And yes there are weak teams, saying the oposite is just being biased and overratting your teams...
No EPL scorer in CL, just because Suarez doesnt play....
Other teams players have not the quality to score +1 goal per match thats all....
Suarez 17 goals in 11 games : This is Messi stats made by someone supposed to be not better than Messi.
If what you said is true, Gareth Bale who was carrying a team in his shoulders, now should score +40 goals with a monster-team, he is far from that, HE IS EVEN NOT A FINAL PRODUCT.
Compare Bale and Cr7 and compare their stats..
You mate are just EPL players biaised, there is more quality players in Germany and Spain, and you should just get over it.
Im sorry mate, but i can say as well : 17 goals in 11 games mean that EPL defences are very weak, the same as the stupid excuses made by EPL...
Again ?? Lodatz, there is 5 or 6 home games that are more dificult in EPL, the rest there is absolutely no diferences :
they have found a way to humiliate lower and weak team ???
ohhh finally ...... Welcome to Messi Cr7 world, why others cant do that ??
its not la liga fault if Totenham or chelsea players cant score against weak teams....
And yes there are weak teams, saying the oposite is just being biased and overratting your teams...
No EPL scorer in CL, just because Suarez dont play....
Other teams players have not the quality to score +1 goal per match thats all....
Suarez 17 goals in 11 games : tthis is Messi stats made by someone supposed to be not better than Messi.
If what you said is true, Gareth Bale who was carrying a team in his shoulders no should score +40 goals with a monster-team, he is far from that, HE IS EVEN NOT A FINAL PRODUCT.
Compare Bale and Cr7 and compare their stats..
You mate are just EPL biaised, there is more quality in Germany and Spain, and you should just get over it.
Again ?? Lodatz, there is 5 or 6 home games that are more dificult in EPL, the rest there is absolutely no diferences :
they have found a way to humiliate lower and weak team ???
ohhh finally ...... Welcome to Messi Cr7 world, why others cant do that ??
its not la liga fault if Totenham or chelsea players cant score against weak teams....
And yes there are weak teams, saying the oposite is just being biased and overratting your teams...
No EPL scorer in CL, just because Suarez dont play....
Other teams players have not the quality to score +1 goal per match thats all....
Suarez 17 goals in 11 games : tthis is Messi stats made by someone supposed to be not better than Messi.
If what you said is true, Gareth Bale who was carrying a team in his shoulders no should score +40 goals with a monster-team, he is far from that, HE IS EVEN NOT A FINAL PRODUCT.
Compare Bale and Cr7 and compare their stats..
You mate are just EPL biaised, there is more quality in Germany and Spain, and you should just get over it.
Im sorry mate, but i can say as well : 17 goals in 11 games mean that EPL defences are very weak, the same as the stupid excuses made by EPL...
The only scaring team is Man City, the rest are just has been teams...
Again ?? Lodatz, there is 5 or 6 home games that are more dificult in EPL, the rest there is absolutely no diferences :
they have found a way to humiliate lower and weak team ???
ohhh finally ...... Welcome to Messi Cr7 world, why others cant do that ??
its not la liga fault if Totenham or chelsea players cant score against weak teams....
And yes there are weak teams, saying the oposite is just being biased and overratting your teams...
No EPL scorer in CL, just because Suarez dont play....
Other teams players have not the quality to score +1 goal per match thats all....
Suarez 17 goals in 11 games : tthis is Messi stats made by someone supposed to be not better than Messi.
If what you said is true, Gareth Bale who was carrying a team in his shoulders no should score +40 goals with a monster-team, he is far from that, HE IS EVEN NOT A FINAL PRODUCT.
Compare Bale and Cr7 and compare their stats..
You mate are just EPL biaised, there is more quality in Germany and Spain, and you should just get over it.
Im sorry mate, but i can say as well : 17 goals in 11 games mean that EPL defences are very weak, the same as the stupid excuses made by EPL...
Again ?? Lodatz, there is 5 or 6 home games that are more dificult in EPL, the rest there is absolutely no diference :
they have found a way to humiliate lower and weak team ???
Ohhh finally...... Welcome to Messi/Cr7 world, why others cant do that ??
Its not La Liga fault if Totenham or chelsea players cant score against weak teams....
And yes there are weak teams, saying the oposite is just being biased and overratting your teams...
No EPL scorer in CL, just because Suarez doesnt play....
Other teams players have not the quality to score +1 goal per match thats all....
Suarez 17 goals in 11 games : This is Messi stats made by someone supposed to be not better than Messi.
If what you said is true, Gareth Bale who was carrying a team in his shoulders, now should score +40 goals with a monster-team, he is far from that, HE IS EVEN NOT A FINAL PRODUCT.
Compare Bale and Cr7 and compare their stats..
You mate are just EPL biaised, there is more quality in Germany and Spain, and you should just get over it.
Im sorry mate, but i can say as well : 17 goals in 11 games mean that EPL defences are very weak, the same as the stupid excuses made by EPL...
Lets not forget that Suarez has also been scoring huge tallies against, well, the crap end of the table. He picked up 1 against Palace, 1 against Sunderland. Then 3 against West Brom. 2 against Fulham. 4 against Norwich (the same Norwich that got whomped by City 7-0). 2 against West Ham. And then, to our shame, 2 against Spurs in a 5-0 mauling.....
And ? If messi or Cr7 were playing at EPL, they would at least have same stats against those teams an been top of goalscoring in Europe, thats all.
You can not compare, the actual Ronaldo and the old EPL Ronaldo, there has been a lot of work done as i told before...
I can tell you that in 5 years Bale will double his amount of goals just like Suarez is doing, doesnt have any realtion with the league they are playing in, if Epl big teams cant score against smaller teams its not a demonstration of the league quality, you can also see it as Forwards weakness or lack of motivation...
Look at Pellegrini team, he is another proof that its just about quality and style of football...
City trashing any team at Etihad dont tell you about weak defending ? No its more about this team quality and there is no coincidence that the coach came from Spain. Does not have anything to do with the defence...
So try to analyse both leagues with same argument, not saying Messi/Cr7 scoring because weak defending and Suarez scores because of what ?
@tiki: there are SO MANY FLAWS with your argument, here.
Bale not a 'finished product'? Okay, so how come he's scored 7 goals in 10 games, already? For a new player, coming to a new league, that;s not exactly bad, is it? Yes, Bale will start to get even better as he gets used to his team-mates, and when he does? He'll start getting 30 a season. And you know what? He'll be doing it sooner than 5 years, mate. Like Ronaldo, he'll be doing it by next season.
"Other teams players have not the quality to score +1 goal per match thats all...."
Really? That's he case you want to make? Okay:
The Messi is not as good as Ibrahimovic, who has more goals in the CL this season that Leo. Oh, and Neymar? He's crap, because he's only got three. Hell, even Aaron Ramsey has more than him, along with Aguero, Negredo, and Mohammed Salah!
Yes, using your method, Mohammed Salah is a better player than Neymar.
That's right, that's the type pf stupidity that can be drawn using your logic.
Don't you get it? IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.
That same City side who are thrashing everyone at home are failing to beat teams like Hull and Cardiff away. That's the difference. And no, just because Suarez is having this amazing current form does not undo the reality of the leagues.
I know you're DESPERATE to make this case. I know you desperately want this to be true. But it's not. It's the exception which proves the rule. When a player comes and does this, season after season, then we can talk.
Until then? YOU'RE the one being arrogant, by assuming that no-one in the PL was any good until Suarez.
Despite the PL absolutely dominating the last decade of European football, no less.
Have you figured out, yet, why this argument is nonsense?
Its interesting how all this type of conversations turn out to be yet another comparison between leagues and how god or bad they are.
It seems this thread is getting interesting with so many arguing (never thought it was going to be this long). So I just wanted to say that the thread shouldn't be titled Luis Suarez, the biggest mistake ever for Perez, but instead Gareth Bale, Biggest mistake ever for Perez.
and Im not saying Bale is not an outstanding player but because of 2 factors: the ridiculous price paid for him considering no other team would have bided anything over 50million and the amount of other players he could have bought with that cash, The position in which he plays was already taken by a very capable Di Maria and there were other positions that needed a lot more to be reinforced in Madrid's team.
Bale is a great player with a very promising future but with what they paid for him they could have bought Suarez and a couple top class player more.
I lost the point of this discussion but Ill just say that It was actually a mistake to buy Bale instead of Suarez but just because of the price difference, if both were around the 100million then It would be a different story.
And Tiki is still hating on the EPL, as usual. Suarez scoring lots of goals in the league doesnt mean that now it can be compared to Messi or Ronaldo scoring lots of goals in La Liga.
"Thank you Suarez for showing to the world that it was possible to destroy EPL defences every week, its only a question of quality, and this actual Suarez is the only EPL player reaching Ronaldo/Messi goalscoring level...."
First of all I just hope someday people realise that the amount of goals scored doesn't define how good a player is or his "quality". If you had watched the goals Suarez has scored I would say 70% of them are PURE CLASS and are far better than those scored by Ronaldo or Messi (which doesn't mean Suarez is better either). That is what makes a player a world class player. With that being said, there is still a difference with ELP and La Liga's defences... EPL defences are being destroyed by teams like CIty and Liverpool, not exactly by individual players like Suarez, who scores less than halve of the team's goals. And like Lodatz said before he hasnt been scoring against big teams just against lower league table teams, with a couple exceptions.
Bale, big mistake because of the price paid.
Suarez, not yet comparable to Ronaldo or Messi
EPL, still a harder challenge for strikers than La Liga
@Lodatz
Just wanted to point out that I didn't mean that Suarez is on Ronaldo's level. I meant that "in terms of goal-scoring". Of course, it takes something else to be on the level of Messi and Ronaldo (and even Ribery, Xavi, and Iniesta), but in just simple terms of goal-scoring, Suarez is doing better than both Messi and Ronaldo right now.
And yeah, I find it quite natural for players to score more goals against weaker teams than stronger ones. It's just simply expected. I'm not surprised that Suarez scored more goals against weaker teams than stronger ones. Ronaldo and Messi are exceptional because, regardless of their opponent, they always seem to find the back of the net. I just meant to say that Suarez, for now, is on the "goal-scoring" level of Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi.
Just face it, im French and every single decent player from ligue 1 is doing pretty well in EPL, so please...
Fact : Only Suarez approach Messi/Ronaldo goal scoring level in EPL.
Fact : Dominating weak teams is a Must to say that your team is trophy contenders, Arsenal are not as strong as City or Chelsea but at least, they show consistency, they are the only one in EPL and they dont even have th best squad.
And dont bring up Messi stats he was injured from february and even when he plays, he is not 100 per cent, thankfully, Bale and Ronaldo are now playing in the same team and we can clearly see the difference between a player on the top of his career and a young talent who needs to work more to score every single chance he gets.
Ask RM fans, the gap is even bigger than expected and Bale was clearly overrated if he was named best EPL player.
Im sorry, but you need to see whats happening on the pitch and change your opinions, opinions need to be updated specially while talking about Football, and you seem to stick on your last decade analysis...
Newcastle, a big team ? please, even Villareal will kick their ass anytime....
In France, every player want to go to EPL because he knows he will adapt quicker than in other leagues, because French players are more physically strong than technic, EPL teams recruit them all because they are cheap and not overrated like English players.
Which scorer is near Cr7 and Messi level in EPL if we agree to your argument ? RVP ? Lukaku ?
imo only Suarez, and im waitong yours, give exemples...
Just face it, im French and every single decent player from ligue 1 is doing pretty well in EPL, so please...
Fact : Only Suarez approach Messi/Ronaldo goal scoring level in EPL.
Fact : Dominating weak teams is a Must to say that your team is trophy contenders, Arsenal are not as strong as City or Chelsea but at least, they show consistency, they are the only one in EPL and they dont even have th best squad.
And dont bring up Messi stats he was injured from february and even when he plays, he is not 100 per cent, thankfully, Bale and Ronaldo are now playing in the same team and we can clearly see the difference between a player on the top of his career and a young talent who needs to work more to score every single chance he gets.
Ask RM fans, the gap is even bigger than expected and Bale was clearly overrated if he was named best EPL player.
Im sorry, but you need to see whats happening on the pitch and change your opinions, opinions need to be updated specially while talking about Football, and you seem to stick on your last decade analysis...
Newcastle, a big team ? please, even Villareal will kick their ass anytime....
In France, every player want to go to EPL because he knows he will adapt quicker than in other leagues, because French players are more physically strong than technic, EPL teams recruit them all because they are cheap and not overrated like in English players.
Which scorer is near Cr7 and Messi level in EPL if we agree to your argument ? RVP ? Lukaku ?
imo only Suarez, and im waitong yours, give exemples...
@Tiki
It's true that the gap between Ronaldo and Bale was always going to be huge, but it's not really as surprising as you say it is. And neither is Bale "overrated". Madrid fans are actually getting more from Bale than we originally expected. Of course, the fanboys kept on saying that Bale will win us La Liga (lol), and that he is better than Neymar, etc, etc. Ask a logical Madrid fan, and they'll say as an inflated 100 M signing, Bale will never do as well as well as he should do, but he is doing better right now than he was expected to do.
With Bale, we mostly either expected one of two things.
A mirror image Ronaldo banging in 30+ goals per season.
And it was more or less the same expectations for Neymar as well. Fortunately for both of us, they are both doing very well. Neymar is leading the lines in Messi''s absence, and Bale is doing much better than most Madridistas had hoped.
We still have a massive amount of respect for Bale as the PFA Player of the Year. He just maybe isn't doing as well as he was at Spurs because he does not get 100% support from his team. That's something Ronaldo has earned the right to. Bale's #1 job at Madrid is not to score and be the star man, but to make sure Ronaldo maintains his position as the star man, and then if Ronaldo does not do well or is out for a match, then he must lead the lines.
Real Madrid prefered to buy a 100M euros Gareth Bale instead of buying Luis Suarez for 45M euros and keeping Ozil.
I was very scared to see RM interests on Suarez and the response of the player who wanted to go, Suarez is simply the best player on EPL, with 17 goals in 11 games knowing he had 7 games sanction for the start of the year.
This actual Suarez is the only player to approach Messi stats, he showed EPL that it was possible for a player to score such an amount of goals, simply amazing...
Thank you Suarez for showing to the world that it was possible to destroy EPL defences every week, its only a question of quality, and this actual Suarez is the only EPL player reaching Ronaldo/Messi goalscoring level....
Its about motivation every game, and passion to score more and more, selling Suarez for 45M euros would be a steal.
And Thank you Perez for choosing a marketting transfer as a response of Neymars transfer failure, than buying what Madrid really needed : a world class striker :)...
Now, all the fanboys will have their Duel Neymar Vs Bale and Barça will continue to dominate the Liga :)
Please tell me now how much will Suarez cost if a team wants to buy him ? Probably 100M :).
Europe Best Major Leagues scorers :
1) Luis Suarez : 17 goals 11 games.
2) Cristiano Ronaldo : 17 goals 15 games.
3) Diego Costa : 17 goals 16 games.
4) Zlatan Ibrahimovic : 14 goals 17 games.
5) Sergio Aguero : 13 goals 15 games.
6) Guiseppe Rossi : 13 goals 16 games.
7) Fredy Montero : 13 goals 13 games.
8) Edinson Cavani : 12 goals 17 games.
9) Jackson Martinez : 11 goals 13 games.
10) Robert Lewandowski : 11 goals 16 games.
Hope Suarez will never join Real Madrid.