shpalman
11 years ago
banning memes and words? censorship never brought anything good, it's the people that need to change attitude.
for example, try to debate with Tiki-taka, have a different/opposite opinion? get ready to be called: retard, idiot, ignorant, or random insult to your team/league/nationality.
also, anything which is not "mainstream" opinion, gets insulted.
like i said, it's people, ALL the people.
i would suggest "warnings". when a person passes the line, then a mod can step in the discussion and "warn" him publicly. if the person keeps passing the line, then you give him 3 days MUTE, meaning he can visit FR, but can't comment on forums/highlights.
any personal insults like "retard" is a bannable offence like disrespecting religion or people sexuality. should be sanctioned too, with 3 days MUTE.
start working on people, then you get a better forum.
Let's talk a little seriously about the future of this forum. I commented in another thread about it but I feel like there's a lot more to be said, and maybe some other people can voice their opinions. If you don't care about the quality of this forum you probably won't read all this text. If you do I really hope you read it and you make a comment about what you think of all that.
First of all I want to say that here and reddit are the places I go to to talk about football. I like coming here because it feels more personnal. I've been on here for over a year now and I feel like I know the usernames and the people that are behind them quite well. And in the end I care about this forum and I'd like it to get better.
FIRST THING WE COULD WORK ON
We get great discussions going on from time to time. I don't have any issue with heated discussions, it even makes things more interesting sometimes. The issue I have is that sometimes the content is borderline idiotic. Some threads are just a meme dumpster where people throw pictures they found on troll football.
Let's take an example. This is about arsenal, I'm sorry, but it's one of the recent ones I remember :
This week end, arsenal got absolutely trashed by Chelsea. This is an important event in european football, so it's only fair that we have a thread about it. The issue is that the thread is titled Thoughts on the chelsea arsenal game, and the content is two reaction gifs. Following that, we get a bunch of pictures and stupid memes. NO TEXT. This is a forum for discussion and there were plenty of things people could have talked about. We could have talked tactics, about how our midfield got exposed super early, about how chamberlain and arteta are not good enough to start for a title challenger. We could have talked about chelsea and asked if their striker problem is even a problem. About if wenger was the right man for his job. We could have talked about many things but there were only jokes and memes. Actual discussion followed, and that was good. My question is, DO WE REALLY NEED THE MEME CRAP BEFORE STARTING A CONVERSATION ? The answer is no. In my opinion, memes and reaction gifs should be banned from this forum as they bring nothing to any thread. And that is true for the whole internet. If it were for me they would disapear from the universe.
Btw memes are the obvious thing to ban, but sometimes some people who will recognize themselves just say the most useless things...
SECOND THING WE CAN IMPROVE ON
This is a website where people supporting many teams gather and talk about football. It's a neutral place. While sometimes people can argue and trash talk rivals (because we all lose our cool), threads made for people to gather and hate one team should be deleted straight away. I'm thinking about that "THE REASON WHY PEOPE HATE BARCA" thread from two days ago. This was bound to become the disaster. No ganging up on one team just to trash talk. There are teams I can't stand. I can't stand chelsea, some of you may know that about me, but I don't create a thread titled "LET'S ALL GATHER AND TALK ABOUT HOW CHELSEA IS THE DEVIL". Because that doesn't create any sort of discussion, just angry people moaning and disagreeing with each other. There is no point.
My answer to that is to spot these things and delete them before they turn into a sh*t storm.
THIRD THING WE CAN IMPROVE ON
This can be somehow linked to my second thing, there are people on here who don't care for discussion. They are usually the less active members, who sometimes come up out of no where to say the most infuriating things. These people are trolls and the fact that they are still on the forum is bringing the whole thing down. When you argue about something, put time into your comment, wrote a nice bit of text about something, and are waiting for someone to do the same and answer to your comment, there are some people who turn up, and will say stuff like "lol your team is **** what you say is irrelevant". These people's only comments are made for the single purpose of pissing off people.
How to fix this ? It's easy, you delete their comments and if they keep posting that sh*t you ban them. The most obvious troll I can think of is this guy called manchesterutl with a "u mad bro" profile pic (do I even need to say more).
The sad thing is that often these comments get thumbs up so approval from the forum. I don't give a crap about thumbs up but it gives them the incentive to continue.
Alright I'm all done I think, I talk a lot about having better discussion. What I'm trying to do here is to find ways to make this place a better a more mature forum.
Please if you have things to add or complaints about the quality of the posts and ideas on how to improve we can discuss it here. About how to make these rules real, I don't know, the only thing I know is that Alex is a mod. I would really like to hear if mods have guidelines and what these guidelines are.
Let's talk a little seriously about the future of this forum. I commented in another thread about it but I feel like there's a lot more to be said, and maybe some other people can voice their opinions. If you don't care about the quality of this forum you probably won't read all this text. If you do I really hope you read it and you make a comment about what you think of all that.
First of all I want to say that here and reddit are the places I go to to talk about football. I like coming here because it feels more personnal. I've been on here for over a year now and I feel like I know the usernames and the people that are behind them quite well. And in the end I care about this forum and I'd like it to get better.
FIRST THING WE COULD WORK ON
We get great discussions going on from time to time. I don't have any issue with heated discussions, it even makes things more interesting sometimes. The issue I have is that sometimes the content is borderline idiotic. Some threads are just a meme dumpster where people throw pictures they found on troll football.
Let's take an example. This is about arsenal, I'm sorry, but it's one of the recent ones I remember :
This week end, arsenal got absolutely trashed by Chelsea. This is an important event in european football, so it's only fair that we have a thread about it. The issue is that the thread is titled Thoughts on the chelsea arsenal game, and the content is two reaction gifs. Following that, we get a bunch of pictures and stupid memes. NO TEXT. This is a forum for discussion and there were plenty of things people could have talked about. We could have talked tactics, about how our midfield got exposed super early, about how chamberlain and arteta are not good enough to start for a title challenger. We could have talked about chelsea and asked if their striker problem is even a problem. About if wenger was the right man for his job. We could have talked about many things but there were only jokes and memes. Actual discussion followed, and that was good. My question is, DO WE REALLY NEED THE MEME CRAP BEFORE STARTING A CONVERSATION ? The answer is no. In my opinion, memes and reaction gifs should be banned from this forum as they bring nothing to any thread. And that is true for the whole internet. If it were for me they would disapear from the universe.
Btw memes are the obvious thing to ban, but sometimes some people who will recognize themselves just say the most useless things...
SECOND THING WE CAN IMPROVE ON
This is a website where people supporting many teams gather and talk about football. It's a neutral place. While sometimes people can argue and trash talk rivals (because we all lose our cool), threads made for people to gather and hate one team should be deleted straight away. I'm thinking about that "THE REASON WHY PEOPE HATE BARCA" thread from two days ago. This was bound to become the disaster. No ganging up on one team just to trash talk. There are teams I can't stand. I can't stand chelsea, some of you may know that about me, but I don't create a thread titled "LET'S ALL GATHER AND TALK ABOUT HOW CHELSEA IS THE DEVIL". Because that doesn't create any sort of discussion, just angry people moaning and disagreeing with each other. There is no point.
My answer to that is to spot these things and delete them before they turn into a sh*t storm.
THIRD THING WE CAN IMPROVE ON
This can be somehow linked to my second thing, there are people on here who don't care for discussion. They are usually the less active members, who sometimes come up out of no where to say the most infuriating things. These people are trolls and the fact that they are still on the forum is bringing the whole thing down. When you argue about something, put time into your comment, wrote a nice bit of text about something, and are waiting for someone to do the same and answer to your comment, there are some people who turn up, and will say stuff like "lol your team is shit what you say is irrelevant". These people's only comments are made for the single purpose of pissing off people and this holds the whole forum down.
How to fix this ? It's easy, you delete their comments and if they keep posting that sh*t you ban them. The most obvious troll I can think of is this guy called manchesterutl with a "u mad bro" profile pic (do I even need to say more).
The sad thing is that often these comments get thumbs up so approval from the forum. I don't give a crap about thumbs up but it gives them the incentive to continue.
Alright I'm all done I think, I talk a lot about having better discussion. What I'm trying to do here is to find ways to make this place a better a more mature forum.
Please if you have things to add or complaints about the quality of the posts and ideas on how to improve we can discuss it here. About how to make these rules real, I don't know, the only thing I know is that Alex is a mod. I would really like to hear if mods have guidelines and what these guidelines are.