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How a relegated QPR could be banned from the next three divisions
Marcus2011 10 years ago Edited
Chelsea FC, England 277 6501

Tony Fernandes has paid a handsome sum of money to get his Queens Park Rangers club back to the Premier League after Harry Redknapp got them relegated to — and re-promoted from — the Championship.But he’ll need the “Always Managing” boss to keep his team in the top-flight, or QPR could faced some serious blowback thanks to their abuse of Financial Fair Play.

Championship clubs were permitted losses of almost $13 million last season, according to the BBC, on the condition that $8 million would come from shareholders. Clubs who exceeded those losses and earned promotion would be subject to a sliding scale fine.

And QPR completely exploded the rules to make it back up.

From the BBC:

"QPR could be refused future entry into the Championship if they fail to pay a potentially huge fine for breaching Financial Fair Play rules.Chairman Tony Fernandes has indicated he would appeal against a fine from the Football League, which would be around £54m if losses for Rangers’ promotion season matched the £65.4m in 2012-13.But if the club don’t pay, the FL can block entry to its own competitions.

“Theoretically that is the position,” said FL chief executive Shaun Harvey.“I would hope there would be a resolution long before that option even had to be considered.”

How incredible it would be if a banished club was dumped all the way out of the Football League… past League Two? Still it seems more likely Fernandes would wait until right before QPR were relegated, and then just pay the fine.

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Rediculous FFP . It is incredible how small clubs just sat there and agreed with this law . No one benifitted this more than old established clubs . This sort of things are reason why I sort of wish Blatter and Platini will burn in hell for eternity .

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Tony Fernandes has paid a handsome sum of money to get his Queens Park Rangers club back to the Premier League after Harry Redknapp got them relegated to — and re-promoted from — the Championship.

But he’ll need the “Always Managing” boss to keep his team in the top-flight, or QPR could faced some serious blowback thanks to their abuse of Financial Fair Play.

Championship clubs were permitted losses of almost $13 million last season, according to the BBC, on the condition that $8 million would come from shareholders. Clubs who exceeded those losses and earned promotion would be subject to a sliding scale fine.

And QPR completely exploded the rules to make it back up.

From the BBC:

QPR could be refused future entry into the Championship if they fail to pay a potentially huge fine for breaching Financial Fair Play rules.

Chairman Tony Fernandes has indicated he would appeal against a fine from the Football League, which would be around £54m if losses for Rangers’ promotion season matched the £65.4m in 2012-13.

But if the club don’t pay, the FL can block entry to its own competitions.

“Theoretically that is the position,” said FL chief executive Shaun Harvey.

“I would hope there would be a resolution long before that option even had to be considered.”

How incredible it would be if a banished club was dumped all the way out of the Football League… past League Two? Still it seems more likely Fernandes would wait until right before QPR were relegated, and then just pay the fine.

Rediculous FFP . It is incredible how small clubs just sat there and agreed with this law . No one benifitted this more than old established clubs . This sort of things are reason why I sort of wish Blatter and Platini will burn in hell for eternity .

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knibis 10 years ago
Valencia, Sweden 181 2500

interesting to say the the least

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tuan_jinn 10 years ago
Manchester United, Netherlands 198 6912

*"Rediculous FFP . It is incredible how small clubs just sat there and agreed with this law . No one benifitted this more than old established clubs . This sort of things are reason why I sort of wish Blatter and Platini will burn in hell for eternity ." *NICE!!!I agree!

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decentK 10 years ago
Arsenal 38 2896

I'd like to hear someone opening me this logic of 'smaller' teams being a loser in FFP system, I just don't get it. Isn't it great that smaller teams are trying to build their success through youth system and smart buys rather than oil based owner? And on the other hand bigger teams like Arsenal etc. deserve to spend the money they earn. For example Southampton was in championship not long ago - now they've got 100m from players that they've made the right way. They'll be better team when they can spend the money - better team -> more fans -> more income.

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Marcus2011 10 years ago
Chelsea FC, England 277 6501

@Descentk

No one is denying right for Arsenal to spend . I am only saying that everyone deserves to spend if there are available funds . No matter what source they come from .

Do you honestly believe that Southampton is going to become regular top 10 team and eventually top 4 contender by doing smart buys or developing youth which they can't even keep for more than one or two seasons ?

Remember Blackburn team that won EPL ? Or Leeds United ? What happened to them ?

Big teams do not like new emerging competitors and will keep small teams where they belong . Buying their talents and best players every transfer window .

Everton seems to be doing things right but let's see for how long that will last . I am sure in next few seasons they will be out of the top 4 contenders category again .

Football clubs are businesses that thrive on investments and like any business they will suffer looses at first but only flourish later . Team needs money to protect it is players from being lured to bigger clubs and bigger pay . Build stadiums, scout for youth and develop youth also look for new world markets advertising it is brand of football .

Do not want to beat the drums here but we had similar conversation and I remember how optimistic everyone was about Dortmund to emerge as "new" European football power . Yet, they did not progress but rolled back in progress , like I told everyone .By Being bullied by bigger clubs, they have been forced to sell their core players and now Reus and Hummels are next possible transfers . How can a club like Dortmund keep up with other teams ?

I would suggest different approach like put a transfer cap on expenditure and investments . Like only certain amount can be spent on one transfer window and certain amount can be invested every year . So far this FFP ruined Malaga , Monaco , and QPR and few other smaller teams . However, no one but big clubs benefited from this rule .

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decentK 10 years ago
Arsenal 38 2896

@marcus Btw the Arsenal was just example, tried to point out that I believe it'd be fair if teams could spend what they earn.

Great that you took time to explain the point, because I haven't really understood it before. But I just still disagree personally, it's just my mentality.

It's just this way the football would be dominated by money not passion.

I believe strongly that in long run this is the right and succesful way what BVB and Southampton does. I agree with these teams letting 'top players' go when they've only motivated by money. They can replace them with even better and cheaper players - again with the money they earned. Southampton got Pelle, who is better than Lambert, Tadic can be better than Lallana, Forster is more than decent GK, Alderweireld is at the end of the day brilliant CB.

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Vendetta 10 years ago
Chelsea FC, Egypt 202 3025

...Or the top 4 clubs in each league can make the most out of TV rights, revenue, merchandise, etc - buying the 'top players' from these small clubs, while making sure they keep those small clubs at the bottom.

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Marcus2011 10 years ago
Chelsea FC, England 277 6501

"Btw the Arsenal was just example, tried to point out that I believe it'd be fair if teams could spend what they earn."

Absolutely . I also think it will be fair for clubs to get necessary fundings if they in need . Otherwise we are creating monopoly and killing competitive market . Thus football becomes boring as well . Seeing same teams lifting trophies .

"I believe strongly that in long run this is the right and succesful way what BVB and Southampton does."

Yeah, sure they get rebuild with youth or new scouted players but realistically it does not last long . I still yet to see one .

" I agree with these teams letting 'top players' go when they've only motivated by money. "

On average a player has about 8- 10 good clean years of playing football minus injury times . So , player not only motivated by money but career overall . Those Francesco Totti type of players are long gone , because chances of Southampton ever lifting EPL title not even mentioning Champions League title is slim to nothing .

Therefore player, starts to worry if he ever going to win silverware or will he develop into player that he always wanted to be . When top club comes knocking , they make possibilities of wining silverware higher and that lures them away . Plus becoming a top player in top club is simpler when you have great players around you . Eventually that player will instantly jump on that flight to leave the club to better one and I can't blame them .

This days football demands quick success, hunger and memorable legacy . Everyone wants to leave his mark. Player playing for Southampton all his life is not going to accomplish anything or leave his name in football history , if the club constantly makes two steps forward then two steps back . C.Ronaldo would not become who he is now if he stayed in Sporting Lisbon and etc similar stories.

" They can replace them with even better and cheaper players - again with the money they earned."

  • Even if they have a constant flow of money from transfer sales, they are simply going to become selling club that develops and sells before truly tasting the product of their hard work on those players. Ultimate goal of any club to become buying club and limited selling club type . Top clubs are buying clubs . And Buying clubs are champions .

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decentK 10 years ago
Arsenal 38 2896

@vendetta that's true. But isn't the point of making yourself big, by earning it. Not just quick dirty way, like for example steroids in bodybuilding.

@marcus Right. Just want to clarify, would your idea be that every team should get a owner of unlimited funds?

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Marcus2011 10 years ago
Chelsea FC, England 277 6501

No . I think there should be limit on how much could be invested every year to cover looses . There should be transfer cap , salary cap and investment cap on ALL CLUBS. Yeah one club makes more money then other and maybe does deserve to spend more but then think about how that club constantly suffocates progress of developing club by luring talents and better players . I think if one club makes so much money there are other areas where it can be invested. Like simply reinvested into stadiums , Community , merchandise , youth recruitment , academies and etc .

Instead they buy overpriced players then pay 340 thousand a week just to for him to kick the ball around . cough like Falcao .

I just think FFP needs major modification . I am learning more and more about FFP and nothing yet made me say it is a great rule .

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tdot2barca 10 years ago
Assyriska FF, Brazil 35 956

To be honest, it is close to impossible to making a rule that can put a limit on these rich clubs. Rich people are smart enough to get legally around any rule that would be imposed, because they do every time. It's capitalism and players are investments. The whole system would have to be changed for things to actually get fair for other lower teams.

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Marcus2011 10 years ago
Chelsea FC, England 277 6501

So glad to read that there is big man who supports such modifications to FFP . Just saw this article with Harry Redknap . And I absolutely agree with him on everything but 40 million should is low . I would say 80 million due to constant inflation and rise in players values . Although it could have probably dropped the transfer fees down

So here is what he said :

"To make it fair, we should be able to spend as much as Manchester United," he told reporters.

"What is fair play? One team can spend €200m, another team can spend €10m?

"Fair play would be everyone having the maximum of €40m to spend on their team and then have to bring in some players from the youth team.

"Seven teams are on another planet to the rest. You don't have to be a genius to pick the top seven teams - it will be almost certainly be the same seven as last year."

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tuan_jinn 10 years ago
Manchester United, Netherlands 198 6912

Well said Marcus :)

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decentK 10 years ago
Arsenal 38 2896

@Marcus

"No . I think there should be limit on how much could be invested every
year to cover looses . There should be transfer cap , salary cap and
investment cap on ALL CLUBS."

" I think if one club makes so much money there are other areas where it
can be invested. Like simply reinvested into stadiums , Community ,
merchandise , youth recruitment , academies and etc . "

Now this is starting to sound great to me.

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