So, this happened:

Keeping it classy, Ashley. :p

Nothing against United, but I'm really glad they didn't score from the penalty from this blatant dive.

@Lodatz, so you want Moyes to publicly come out and criticize Young AGAIN? If it didn't work the first time what makes you think it will work again? The sooner you realize diving is a part of Young's game, the sooner you'll find out that it is utterly meaningless to say things like "it ruins the game" or he is "an embarrassment to the club", because you're not really tackling the issue but just promoting vitriol. And that is what bugs me with the English media and the fans. If they are truly disgusted by diving, why hasn't anything been done? Dalai Lama said "“Know the rules well, so you can break them effectively”. Well, I say if we cant win the battle against diving, lets change the rules. Straight red card for anyone who dives. No questions asked. That will get you results instead of pointless narratives about the unethical nature of diving.

@TheGame: "Straight red card for anyone who dives. No questions asked. That will get you results instead of pointless narratives about the unethical nature of diving."

Yeah, good luck with that. You realize that the media and the fans do not run UEFA, right?

In the meanwhile, I'll keep calling it cheating, thanks. Building consensus is pretty much the ONLY way to ever get things to change. And yes, Moyes should criticize him again. Not sure why you consider it pointless to do so, but hey, keep telling yourself it's just 'part of his game' if it helps you deny the fact that he's a cheating embarrassment to your club.

Also, what does 'it's part of Young's game' even MEAN? That he's a shi.t winger who can't score goals or even beat his man without an outrageous attempt to con the referee?

Great. That makes it so much better. ;)

• post Young dive from last match OKAY

• post older Young dives OKAY

• post Neymar dive from last match OKAY
• suddenly Barca fan appears and immediately post Bale dive
  Srsly @tiki I got nothing against you but the post was about Young last dives or dives about this round from champions league wednesday/tuesday. "For the offside how can you see it ??" I'm not sure if You're that blind not to see this offside or you can't accept that Barca scored offside goal and Neymar dived for penalty
  

@Lodatz, when did I deny that he's a cheating embarrassment to my club? This amateur straw man tactics isn't going to work on me. Obviously you did not get the gist of my argument. Diving is so instilled into Young's game, that he isn't going to change it unless there are more dire consequences than benching him for one game (like SAF did) or publicly criticizing him (like Moyes did). I agree that building consensus is how changes are made, but THERE IS NO CONSENSUS and even if there was, it's not like you are promoting any. All you are doing is giving the same old speech that everyone is frankly tired of hearing instead of tackling the issue at its core. And even if you think you're clever by saying that "the media and the fans do not run UEFA", you're exacerbating the situation, because you are essentially implying that any attempt at a change is pointless. Young is a diving con artist, is that what you want me to say? What have I accomplished? Absolutely nothing.

Young or the guy that always dives... what a shame, if i was the coach I would be so angry at him. Considering that was kind of United B team it was his only reason to play that night.

@TheGame: so, in other words you're also saying that it was utterly pointless to criticize me for talking about Young.

Glad we got that cleared up.

Now we can get back to criticizing Young and talking about what Moyes should do about it. Cheers for that.

I remember Totti s second red card in world cup 2002 against South Korea, when it was a clear PK but he was sent off for diving,i think if you instaure direct red card that will ruin the game, the solution is clear :
putting Video, we dont talk about any refreeing problem in Rugby because the camera work well.
If a player knows that there will be a chalenge in the camera, maybe he will not dive and see the replay in front of 70 thousand people and the ref, Camera is the answer.

@Tiki_taka

I'm sorry, but all I see is a Barca fan who can't accept that he has players on his team that have DIVED to win the match, and had also scored an offside goal too. I didn't initially bother responding to your posts, but since you went out of your way to post some random dives of Ronaldo and Bale, I'll respond to you.

The Bale one was a dive. But nothing was called. The Ronaldo one was just stupid on his part. But I'm pretty sure Abate didn't get a red card for that "foul". But they were both stupid decisions from the players themselves.

See the difference between you and me? I can actually ADMIT my players mistakes. Instead of saying something like, "Yeah, a shame Neymar fell so easily. He's a much better player than that", you go on posting random GIF's Madrid players diving. It's as if you expect that to protect Neymar.

Face it. NEYMAR dives. BUSQUETS does as well. BALE also dives. Ronaldo himself also is known for falling really easily every once in a while. Learn to admit it.

Can we just stop arguing? We know this post is eventually gonna stop only by the moderators closing the discussion. Let's see how long this argument lasts....

@Dynast Are you drunk ?
Who in this planet dont know that Busquets and Neymar dive, dont act stupid, go read what i wrote before...
As I said before keep your response, it is not needed.

Young should be shot as well as everyone else. Bang Bang.

@Gunner: from the way he fell down, you'd think he already had been... :D

THE ONLY SOLUTION HERE IS IMPLEMENTING TECHNOLOGY TO THE BEAUTIFUL GAME.

I dont get why is it so hard to do it like they do in the NFL. There are about 5 referees and even some times all of them commit mistakes at the same time because that is very human, to commit mistakes. More referees or more capacitation is not an answer.

Then if a player dived and the rival team decides to challenge the referees decision he can watch a 30 second replay and then change his mind. Then and only then a red card would be logical for a dive. The thing with giving out a red card without this technology being implemented is that the referees already have it hard just by having to choose from a penalty or a yellow card. A red card would compromise ten times more the referees decision so he would be less eager to book a diver. Do you get what Im saying? It takes balls from a referee to book a diver and a red card as a punishment would compromise a lot this decision and would be less effective.

A more realistic solution could be just to have a committee dedicated to evaluate players who cheat in any way and after the game wether if the cheater was booked or not, they should watch the highlight and decide a proper punishment for the offender. its that simple. The "UEFA committee of fair play" (which Im pretty sure doesnt exist) can evaluate any suspicious anti-fairplay conduct and evaluate if there should be a sanction like suspension for the player, and an economic sanction for the player and/or team.

Moyes should man up and talk about it, accept he dived despite what Young could say or how it could affect him, then sit him for a couple matches and talk to him about it... If he dives after that then dont ever play him again until he apologises... he isnt even that good.

Sorry Tuanis but I don't think that's a good idea. What if one referee thinks it's a foul but second one thinks it is not? It's not like NFL/NHL when the game is stopped every few mins/seconds.
@tiki sorry bro but you are just talking bullshit. First you totally totally post Bale/Ronaldo dive because someone posted Neymar and now you reply to Dynastian with "Who in this planet dont know that Busquets and Neymar dive," you just totally went full retarded.

@quickzy I feel free to post what i want, since he went first off topic by criticizing Neymars mindset, i just reponded that at least 4 players in his team has this kind of mindset, after the recent past, i think its unwarranted for a RM fan to say what he said, and respond that bad :).
Everyone who watch football in this world can know that it happens to Ronaldo/Busquets/Neymat to Dive, if you dont think so then you ARE THE FULL RETARD or the blind here imo.
I hope thesepersonal attacks dont have any relation with Costa/Brazil thread, no need to tell you i dont give a **** about for who he will play :).
You have the right to have your own opinion and you gave it before, and i have the right to have my opinion and feel free to post what i want, iam just a retarded person after all right?

@Tuanis: I like that second idea, about the review panel. The only problem would be getting it filled with people of integrity. For example, we clearly cant trust someone like Michel Platini or Sepp Blatter.

I am glad that now we are discussing ideas regarding this issue rather than hopelessly bashing players thinking that they'll change. @Tuanis, the reason why I fancy a straight red card for divers is that it is a means of preemption. If, for example, Ashley Young even contemplated a decision to trick the referee by diving, he would think twice about it since him going off would be devastating to his team. But right now with the current rule, in his mind he probably thinks the risk of a yellow card is outweighed by the reward of winning a penalty, therefore he is much more likely to dive. And remember, the referees in the current game are already making "compromising" decisions rewarding divers with penalties that change the games completely. This rule essentially raises the stakes; if you get caught diving, you're out of the game!

Still doesn't change the fact that Moyes should kick Young to the reserves squad, because Young needs to change. :)

I am glad we can now all agree on this without pointless interruptions and spurious nonsense about straw-men from people who seemed to complain about people talking about Young, and yet, had nothing to actually add to the conversation themselves except some silly idea about forcing UEFA to hand out red cards.

Oh, and by the way, something is TOTALLY going to come of this, now that we're discussing ideas, and all that jazz.

UEFA listen to the FootyRoom collective, after all..

Sorry, but it's far more fun, and far more productive to just point out that Young is a douchebag who Moyes should punish.

Just something funny I found. It is a video of KSI playing FIFA 14 against Kieran Gibbs. Look at what Gibbs says at the 2:15 minute mark.

Start the video around 1:55 and listen to what Gibbs has to say about this topic.

http://youtu.be/XIJ565qNROw?t=1m55s