Phil Neville has voiced his opinion on how talents are wasted in EPL, and once again this topic shows why English football has been so bad recently (clubs and national levels).

Path to the first team blocked
"Southampton have a pathway to the first-team. It doesn't stop at 19 when they go abroad for a player. It carries right on to the first-team. From the age of 10, at Manchester United and Southampton, there is a clear pathway to the first-team. But at other clubs, that pathway becomes a dead end at 19."

Nevil was a part of "Class 92", and he believe this path would still work in modern football. And Luis Van Gaal is doing that now.

"People ask if the Class of 92 will ever be reproduced," he said. "I think it will - if the rules change and we stop importing average players from abroad and start giving our players a chance.".

Really, FA and EPL clubs must employ a new stricter rules for English players and youngster (or some kind of encouragement benefit or something).

More on Class 92:
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/25184865

man, I miss those guys so much :(

I think the problem here is that BPL clubs get way too much money from TV rights. with the new contract it will only get worse imo. the clubs got so much money on their hands that they will rather buy seasoned players from abroad than developing their homegrown talents.
on top of that foreign clubs can't afford english talents to develop them because they got insane price tags.

Hopefully Luis van Gaal will get enough time at ManU, because he is one of the few coaches that actually tries to promote young talents to the starting eleven. he did the same at Bayern (Müller, Badstuber, Alaba, Contento, Kraft) and laid the foundation for today's success

The problem is not only about too much money from TV rights. Clubs got rich owners and can buy almost anything in the world so no wonder. Also, there are coaches which rather buy a 19 year old instead of trying one of his academy players.

@SternDesSuedens & @quikzyyy: I forgot to mention that, so thanks. Actually, the TV rights and sponsor is going to make thing really worse:

1. Make some of us so delusional by thinking EPL is the very best and the richest
2. The pressure of getting "result" is even higher which makes clubs pushing for quick-and-dirty result. Thus, youngsters have even lower chances
3. The political influences will be even higher

FA chairman Greg Dyke wants to introduce tougher rules to improve opportunities for home-grown players and according to our research, five current Premier League squads would not comply with the new regulations.

The FA wants to phase in the new rules over four years from 2016, but the current squads of Manchester City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham and Newcastle would not be allowed.

The proposals are:

• Players, irrespective of nationality, will have to be with his club from age 15 to qualify as home-grown
• The number of non-home grown players in each 25-man squad is to be reduced from 17 to 13
• At least two home-grown players must be club trained
  

Lack of quality of English players does not discredit EPL as best league in the world .

I have my questions . Why are English players are overpriced and overrated mostly ? EPL welcomes South american, French , Spanish and other foreign players who are willing to work harder and sacrifice to get to where they want to be and for half price than English player . yes , scarcity plays the role but like this year Kane has good run and suddenly he is amazing and fantastic one of the best in the world . Media is part of the problem !!

For example in Chelsea . Cesar Azpi set on the bench quietly and worked hard and now he is one of the best left backs in the world . Same goes with Ivanovic . They are hungrier footballers .

English footballer gets way too much money way to early and feels that he achieved what he needed to achieve . John Mcehran was praised as next Xavi , yes , resembled and was very very good promising talent and still may something come out of him , but I was following him on twitter that kid enjoyed his luxury lifestyle more than football .

That is frustrating to see that team that has the most English players is also at the bottom of the table. Top clubs want English players and work hard to pave their way into first team but we have foreign youth players who give more effort .

This idea of carrying English players and shoving them into the team will only cause more problems .

I still strongly support of "B" clubs system . Works great for la liga .

who would wanna watch the BPL if theres shite overrated british players taking over. No offence but if the majority of english players played for clubs then BPL would be a very weak league. These foreign players are MUCH better than these crap engish flops.

@Spanish

Lol.

Well there is too much money and the competitiveness on English players for clubs advantage the players and disadvantage the clubs, i mean a player will have one good half of a season and his price will be over +25M, the owner club will automatically higher his wage to protect themselves from a steal from another club, the player got his salary increased for almost 0 Footballing reason but to make him stay and to not let him go...

I agree with many of you here, i think youngsters quality is due to not upgrading formation to the new standarts applied across Europe, FA should ask themeselves some questions they really dont want to answer or even look at it, pride ? Careless ? Money benefits are here but are they just buisnessmen ?

Why English youngsters are less talented than before ? thats the question and FA should ask themselves quickly why and find solutions, like did Germany in 1998 or France in 1993 when they failed to qualify to World Cup 94, or Even Spain did the formation update.

In France, there was a real problem, modern Football turned players into athleetes, while even forwards and mids should be strong enough and good at defending, so players at the age of 14 was mainly taken for their physical aptitudes, a fast 1m90 player, very physical will be always favourised to a tiny smart player at this age, because at this age physicality makes the difference, and clubs have more guarantees in producing an average proffessional basing on physical aptitudes.

Now players like Valbuena, Griezmann and Ribery were refused at 14 in all formation centers of France, too short, too weak, tiny, wont make it in Ligue 1 or 2, will be broken, that was the main reasons. Valbuena and Ribery went in low amator divisions before being scouted by Marseille at 22, 23.

Griezmann refused by Olympique Lyonnais where he was originary from, no team looked interested in him so he went in Spain and Sociedad were interested on him, best thing in the world happening for him is to develop there...

Now those are 3 exceptions of miraculous revenge on life, but how many amazing future players were wasted for those stupid reasons who hide a greedy gestion of formation centers of clubs, without being racist but a tall black player Bony style will always get advantaged in French formation centers at 14 than a Xavi-Iniesta style who are very small, tiny and weak at 14, probably would have never made it in France ( not probably im sure ).

When you see Messi at 13 yo, even Ligue 2 teams will refuse it in France, criterias of centers are incredibly wrong and a little capitalist : '' develop the Athleete who will become decent proffessional and prepare him for the rude Ligue 2, Ligue 1 or sell him to England ''

The first thing i look into a Footballer is ball controll, technic then the BRAIN, wich no one is looking for In France, Zidane was gifted and smart, Maldini was smart, Franz was smart, Platini was smart, Cruyjf, Scholes, Best, Diego, Baggio, Pirlo....

Now when the criteria of scouting can refuse a future Messi what can you do ? Thankfully for France, some exceptions Break through or go to different countries and makes national team with variate player styles.

In a team you need athleetes, but you need 3, 4 brains at least and those players are impossible to detect at 14 for actual formation centers except in Spain and Italy, recently in Germany...

I exposed French situation for me because i dont know much how it works in England, probably worst than in France in term of scouting teenagers...

Brazilian clubs concentrated on selling policy to Europe, and adapted their scouting to Europeen model, they form more and more players like Adriano or Paulista less and less Neymar or Ronaldinho style, they used to be gifted technically, now Dunga team first quality was physicality...

While Germany and Spain did the opposite inspiring from the identity of the best team to have ever lived, Brazil 1970....

I dont believe its an off topic, i actually think England problem is the same as the French ( even if French get resultsit could be way better ) so i spoke about what i know best...

Physicality can be learned later because its just workout, skills are more complicated to learn at a later stage, so maybe changing few scouts on youth centers could make difference...

Nice therad tuan.

@quikzzy & @Marcus: I love that proposal, the sooner it's implemented the better for English football. One thing that can't be solved though is the OVERPRICED and Cooky/celebrity attitude problem of English player, that's too me is as big of a problem as the other one.

The B club system is great, and I dont see why not, just make sure they can't play in the same level (A & B)

@tiki_taka: The same problem here in EPL where strength, body shape seems to take the lead of the selection. I thought that time was way passed but it's not.

Imagine Messi was seeded in EPL, we wouldn't have a wonder to watch today

Passing laws that reduce the number of foregin players in a squad will only increase the value of English players. What really needs to be done is improve the scouting system all over England and create B teams. U-21 teams have not succeeded in the way B teams have.

Well tuan, maybe some future Messi's were judged too weak to play pro at 13 yo, i've had some blacks on tests who looked like 18 yo while i was 13, at this age when your shooting is still powerless and you have the strenght of a teenage, the guy was able to score screamers, but their progression are very slow comparing to a youngster with an artistic touch...

This picture for me says it all...

I think also one of the problems is that our star players leave . Role models ( football sense ) for young players and who raise the bar for others .