El Clasico' - Messi vs C.Ronaldo

Marcus2011 11 years ago Edited

Chelsea FC, England 277 6501

Sometimes Ronaldo is ahead of Messi , like last season in last few games , Messi simply would disappear while Ronaldo was running the show . I think Ancelotti's setup of the team is the reason why Ronaldo suffers sometimes.

Neymar never fitted Barcelona style of football . He is different player when he is playing for Brazil .

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2014-03-25 15:04:17

Sometimes Ronaldo is ahead of Messi , like last season in last few games , Messi simply would disappear while Ronaldo was running the show . I think Ancelotti's setup of the team is the reason why Ronaldo suffers sometimes .

Wolfie 11 years ago

Inter, Germany 94 1844

@tuan- I thought Neymar caused a lot of problems for Real. Making great runs, he could have scored his own hattrick. Also, the run across Ramos was really clever. Brought Barca back into the game and knocked the wind out of Real's sails with the Ramos red. Granted, not his best game but he played well and the link up with Messi was impressive.

Dynastian98 11 years ago

Real Madrid 483 7140

@Marcus

Yeah, we changed formations this game. We ran a 4-4-2 like this,

Bale -- Alonso -- Modric -- di Maria

Ronaldo -- Benzema

Odd position for Ronaldo.

tiki_taka 11 years ago Edited

Barcelona, France 367 9768

Lol Marcus, there was no coach last year and Messi was injured at the Clasico...

I ended up the rivalry Messi/Ronaldo, i think Messi is FAR better and im tired to argue.
Compare Barça without Messi this clasico and Real without Ronaldo, Messi directly involved in all Barça goals despite having a shitty defence he makes the difference.
Ancelotti should have taken Ronaldo instead of Benzema when the red card was given but we all know he couldnt.
In big games, Ronaldo struggles, he needs someone to give him an opportunity he cant make any difference alone.
By the way, in the clasico, im more scared when Benzema touches the ball than when its CR7.
Messi go back to the midle, creates number, give assists and make important goals.
Who scores equalizers against RM ? Messi. Always a perfect freekick, a deadly run or a perfect shoot.
Last year, Messi made Barça win the title alone, scoring hattricks when needed, important goals, assists, last minute goals...You never watch full Liga games, dont you ?

This Clasico was the best for many reasons, unpredictible since the start :

First, the early 1-0 from Iniesta and a chance for Messi to do the break, then Benzema changed the game in 3 minutes making things like the game would end up 5-1.
The THE IMPORTANT equaliser for Messi, who was the first game changer that made Barça keep hope and faith, Messi alone made the difference between 5 RM players when RM was going to kill the game, look at the small space he had.

Then the ref gave RM the controversial PK, 3-2 for Real Madrid.

things were going to be finished but Messi once again reacted, A Messi-class pass to Neymar and that was the second game changer.

I dont know if we could win 11 Vs 11, but as against City, the CB made a big mistake and Messi came at the end to score an important PK that made our hopes back for the title.
Except 5-6 games in whole Messis career ( and in those games he met great defenses and world class GK Julio Cesar and Cech for example ) The rest of his career is full of miracles that Ronaldo would never ever be able to make them.
The 2 players looks very close when one is on form and the other in average form. When Messi is on form, there is no Ronaldo in headlines titles.

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2014-03-25 23:17:20

Lol Marcus, there was no coach last year and Messi was injured at the Clasico...

I ended up the rivalry Messi/Ronaldo, i think Messi is FAR better and im tired to argue.
Compare Barça without Messi this clasico and Real without Ronaldo, Messi directly involved in all Barça goals despite having a shitty defence he makes the difference.
Ancelotti should have taken Ronaldo insted of Benzema when the red card was given but we all know he couldnt.
In big games, Ronaldo strugles, he needs someone to give him an opportunity he cant make any difference alone.
By the way, in the clasico, im more scared when Benzema touches the ball than when its CR7.
Messi go back to the midle, creates number, give assists and make important goals.
Who scores equalizers against RM ? Messi. Always a perfect freekick, a deadly run or a perfect shoot.
Last year, Messi made Barça win the title alone, scoring hattricks when needed, important goals, assists, last minute goals...You never watch full Liga games, dont you ?

This Clasico was the best for many reasons, unpredictible since the start :

First, the early 1-0 from Iniesta and a chance for Messi to do the break, then Benzema changed the game in 3 minutes making things like the game would end up 5-1.
The THE IMPORTANT equaliser for Messi, who was the first game changer that made Barça keep hope and faith, Messi alone made the difference between 5 RM players look at the small space he had.

Then the ref gave RM the controversial PK, 3-2 for Real Madrid.

things were going to be finished but Messi once again reacted, A Messi-class pass to Neymar and that was the second game changer.

I dont know if we could win 11 Vs 11, but as against City, the CB made a big mistake and Messi came at the end to score an important PK that gave our hopes back for the title.
Except 5-6 games in whole Messis career ( and in those games he met great defenses and world class GK Julio Cesar and Cech for example ) The rest of his career is full of miracles that Ronaldo would never how it is possible to make them.
The 2 players looks very close when one is on form and the other in average form. When Messi is on form, there is no Ronaldo in headlines titles.

tiki_taka 11 years ago Edited

Barcelona, France 367 9768

Lionel Messi vs. Cristiano Ronaldo in El Clasico Matches : (Updated stats)

----------------------Games--------- Goals-------------Assists
Lionel Messi --------27---------------21-----------------12
Cristiano Ronaldo--21--------------13-------------------2

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2014-03-25 23:22:51

Lionel Messi vs. Cristiano Ronaldo in El Clasico MatchesGamesGoalsAssistsLionel Messi272112Cristiano Ronaldo21132

2014-03-25 23:22:51

Lionel Messi vs. Cristiano Ronaldo in El Clasico Matches :

----------------------Games--------- Goals-------------Assists
Lionel Messi --------27---------------21-----------------12
Cristiano Ronaldo--21--------------13-------------------2

Marcus2011 11 years ago Edited

Chelsea FC, England 277 6501

@tiki When Messi does anything close to what he does in Barcelona wearing Argentina jersey , I will consider him as better and if he starts doing exactly same thing then I would agree he is better . Until that day to me Messi is a great player in a great system of Barcelona that lately have been having some troubles . Not that relevant , but when Guardiola and Tito was here they set up the team that made use of Messi to the limits . Same with Ronaldo . Sir Alex Ferguson and Mourinho always knew how to make him more effective . Seems like Ancelotti has not figured it out yet.

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2014-03-27 00:24:29

OK when Messi does anything close to what he does in Barcelona , I will consider him as better and if he starts doing exactly same thing then I would agree he is better . Until that day to me Messi is a great player in a great system of Barcelona that lately have been having some troubles .

Dynastian98 11 years ago

Real Madrid 483 7140

@Tiki

You seem hell-bent on statistics. Messi has better stats in the Clasico, but do you realize that one is a striker and the other a winger?

tiki_taka 11 years ago Edited

Barcelona, France 367 9768

@Marcus Are you saying its Ancelottis fault if Ronaldo flops in big games ? I dont agree.
Ronaldo is the reason Mourinho won 0 CL with RM squad.
We cant justify a poor individual performence in an important game by a coach excuse.The whole English players do nothing for national team and you consider some as Legends...
Anyway, you are just trying to find a weakness to Messi, in 2010 that was not his fault but Maradona.
Argentina qualified 1st in South America and Messi was the main player and the best scorer. The only way you will admit Messi superiority is when he will trash Chelsea defence as he trashed, United,Arsenal and lately City.
I know the league excuse, the national team and all this kind of argumentation, thats why i told you that my opinion is made...
Im hoping we will face Chelsea soon so Messi can change Chelsea fans mind, or maybe you will never admit it like some RM fans.

@Dynast Both teams play for both players, Benzema would love to have CR7 place as Alexis would love Messi s place. When Ronaldo scores less, its just because he scored less, he is not a midlefielder or play for the striker like Rooney, Real Madrid play for Ronaldo.
Anyway, even as a winger he still has less asists and less chances created for his teammates.

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2014-03-27 00:43:15

The whole English players do nothing for national team and you consider some as Legends...
Anyway, you are just trying to find a weakness to Messi, in 2010 that was not his fault but Maradona.
Argentina qualified 1st in South America and Messi was the main player and the best scorer. The only way you will admit Messi superiority is when he will trash Chelsea defence as he trashed, United,Arsenal and lately City.
I know the league excuse, the national team and all this kind of argumentation, thats why i told you that my opinion is made and im tired of arguing...

2014-03-27 00:43:15

The whole English players do nothing for national team and you consider some as Legends...
Anyway, you are just trying to find a weakness to Messi, in 2010 that was not his fault but Maradona.
Argentina qualified 1st in South America and Messi was the main player and the best scorer. The only way you will admit Messi superiority is when he will trash Chelsea defence as he trashed, United,Arsenal and lately City.
I know the league excuse, the national team and all this kind of argumentation, thats why i told you that my opinion is made and im tired of arguing...
Im hoping we will face Chelsea soon so Messi can change Chelsea fans mind, or maybe you will never admit it like some RM fans.

2014-03-27 00:43:15

The whole English players do nothing for national team and you consider some as Legends...
Anyway, you are just trying to find a weakness to Messi, in 2010 that was not his fault but Maradona.
Argentina qualified 1st in South America and Messi was the main player and the best scorer. The only way you will admit Messi superiority is when he will trash Chelsea defence as he trashed, United,Arsenal and lately City.
I know the league excuse, the national team and all this kind of argumentation, thats why i told you that my opinion is made...
Im hoping we will face Chelsea soon so Messi can change Chelsea fans mind, or maybe you will never admit it like some RM fans.

@Dynast Both teams play for both players, Benzema would love to have CR7 place as Alexis would love Messi s place. When Ronaldo scores less, its just because he scored less, he is not a midlefielder or play for the striker like Rooney, Real Madrid play for Ronaldo.

2014-03-27 00:43:15

The whole English players do nothing for national team and you consider some as Legends...
Anyway, you are just trying to find a weakness to Messi, in 2010 that was not his fault but Maradona.
Argentina qualified 1st in South America and Messi was the main player and the best scorer. The only way you will admit Messi superiority is when he will trash Chelsea defence as he trashed, United,Arsenal and lately City.
I know the league excuse, the national team and all this kind of argumentation, thats why i told you that my opinion is made...
Im hoping we will face Chelsea soon so Messi can change Chelsea fans mind, or maybe you will never admit it like some RM fans.

@Dynast Both teams play for both players, Benzema would love to have CR7 place as Alexis would love Messi s place. When Ronaldo scores less, its just because he scored less, he is not a midlefielder or play for the striker like Rooney, Real Madrid play for Ronaldo.
Anyway, as a winger he still has less asists and less chances created for his teammates.

2014-03-27 00:43:15

The whole English players do nothing for national team and you consider some as Legends...
Anyway, you are just trying to find a weakness to Messi, in 2010 that was not his fault but Maradona.
Argentina qualified 1st in South America and Messi was the main player and the best scorer. The only way you will admit Messi superiority is when he will trash Chelsea defence as he trashed, United,Arsenal and lately City.
I know the league excuse, the national team and all this kind of argumentation, thats why i told you that my opinion is made...
Im hoping we will face Chelsea soon so Messi can change Chelsea fans mind, or maybe you will never admit it like some RM fans.

@Dynast Both teams play for both players, Benzema would love to have CR7 place as Alexis would love Messi s place. When Ronaldo scores less, its just because he scored less, he is not a midlefielder or play for the striker like Rooney, Real Madrid play for Ronaldo.
Anyway, even as a winger he still has less asists and less chances created for his teammates.

Dynastian98 11 years ago Edited

Real Madrid 483 7140

@Tiki

Because he's an inverted winger. You should know by now that inverted wingers aim to shoot and score more often than giving assists. And Ronaldo is the only player of his kind in the world. He just keeps on scoring and scoring. As for creating chances and giving assists, Cristiano Ronaldo created the third most chances in the entire Madrid squad last season, only behind Alonso (2) and Ozil (1), and has 59 assists in a Real Madrid shirt to date. He has only one assist less than Messi this season (he played only 4 more games, and knowing how much Barca emphasize in team-play, this is quite impressive).

Ronaldo is much more of a team player than you give him credit for.

PS. If you want to play the numbers' game, Iniesta has only 37 assists in the last 4 seasons, while Ronaldo has 47. Does it mean Ronaldo is the better team-player? Of course not.

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2014-03-27 02:16:07

@Tiki

Because he's an inverted winger. You should know by now that inverted wingers aim to shoot and score more often than giving assists. And Ronaldo is the only player of his kind in the world. He just keeps on scoring and scoring. As for creating chances and giving assists, Cristiano Ronaldo created the third most chances in the entire Madrid squad last season, only behind Alonso (2) and Ozil (1). He has only one assist less than Messi this season (he played only 4 more games, and knowing how much Barca emphasize in team-play, this is quite impressive).

Ronaldo is much more of a team player than you give him credit for.

tuan_jinn 11 years ago

Manchester United, Netherlands 198 6912

I fully agree with @Tiki_taka, to me Messi introduces the most moments of madness, sensational, incredible and jaw dropping actions... Everytime he touches the ball we can expect something extraordinary to happen (when it's not in an useless moment that he has to watch out for his feet). How often in modern football do you see a player holding a ball in front of the box (back and face the goal) with 3 to 5 players surrounding him but still makes them look like fools, game in game out? I dont think there is ANYONE else, David Silva can do some of that but mostly starts from the wing.

Messi produces art!

Ronaldo is an insane scoring machine, no doubt, incredibly good in the air too, but everyone who watch him, we all know he never play as a winger. He starts at the wing so it's easier for him to cut through and harder to mark, that's how he scores a lot. But moment of madness? not much and mostly from his strength, his run and powerful shots.

As for assist, Im not all for number, but those assists that Ronaldo has are mostly "easier" pass or low-cross-pass from the side (I can understand it's due to his position). However, a lot of those Messi's assists are from insane VISION, deep in the mid-line.... pure genius.

Having said that, I agree both are above the rest. But, when Messi is on form, Ronaldo just can't match...

Marcus2011 11 years ago Edited

Chelsea FC, England 277 6501

@tiki

Which English players ?
We both know Messi will never thrash Chelsea . Everyone knows it even cows on the fields of England and Catalunya know it . Especially when we have Mourinho , you can forget about it until he leaves maybe then Messi has a chance. Trust me , I sincerely hope Chelsea meets Barcelona ! Always a pleasure to play against them. It is Barca who fears Chelsea not the other way around , because Chelsea always gets pumped up for Barcelona matches .
Tiki do you listen to yourself ? Qualifying from South America as number one , with a squad that Argentina has and when Brazil is not playing in qualifying matches , is mandatory otherwise it would have been embarrassment to finish behind likes of Uruguya or Colombia .

@dynastian98

Spot on about on Ronaldo . Agree with everything , but not only Ronaldo is inverted winger. Eden Hazard is becoming one if you ever noticed , Mourinho is turning him into Ronaldo.

@Tuan-jin

Just want to say I am not big fan of any of these two players , but I definetely think they are fantastic players and will go down in history as one of the greats . There is doubt about that. However, I always prefer Ronaldo over Messi due to Ronaldo being complete player , his style of football , ability to quickly adapt and athleticism .

As far as magic and moment of craziness . Well to me , both players , Ronaldo and Messi , are pretty predictable. Maybe it is me because I grew up watching the likes of Ronaldo de lima , Ronaldinho , Zidane , Van Nisterloy , Edgar Davids who honestly pulled more shocking tricks and flashy moves in one match than Messi and Ronaldo do in one year .

To me, It is pretty much same with Messi . When I used to watch Ronaldinho or Edgar Davids face a defender , during that moment , I used to wonder what fancy trick he will pull it off right now to beat this defender or defenders and they always pulled something extraordinary that later I would try imitate .

What Messi has new ? Messi's signature move ok or dribble right to left . Honestly , I don't even watch highlights of Barcelona because I pretty much know how he scored the goal . I hava image in my head . Unfortunately , Ronaldo became basic too because he is trying to score more and do safe moves . I remember he used to pull flashy tricks to beat players in United. Maybe he still does it and I don't notice it anymore .

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2014-03-27 15:45:41

@tiki

Which English players ?
We both know Messi will never thrash Chelsea . Everyone knows it even cows on the fields of England and Catalunya knows it . Especially when we have Mourinho , you can forget about it until he leaves maybe then Messi has a chance. Trust me , I sincerely hope Chelsea meets Barcelona ! Always a pleasure to play against them. It is Barca who fears Chelsea not the other way around , because Chelsea always gets pumped up for Barcelona matches .
Tiki do you listen to yourself ? Qualifying from South America as number one , with a squad that Argentina has and when Brazil is not playing in qualifying matches , is mandatory otherwise it would have been embarrassment to finish behind likes of Uruguya or Colombia .

@dynastian98

Spot on about on Ronaldo . Agree with everything , but not only Ronaldo is inverted winger. Eden Hazard is becoming one if you ever noticed , Mourinho is turning him into Ronaldo.

@Tuan-jin

Just want to say I am not big fan of any of these two players , but I definetely think they are fantastic players and will go down in history as one of the greats . There is doubt about that. However, I always prefer Ronaldo over Messi due to Ronaldo being complete player , his style of football , ability to quickly adapt and athleticism .

As far as magic and moment of craziness . Well to me , both players , Ronaldo and Messi , are pretty predictable. Maybe it is me because I grew up watching the likes of Ronaldo de lima , Ronaldinho , Zidane , Van Nisterloy , Edgar Davids who honestly pulled more shocking tricks and flashy moves in one match than Messi and Ronaldo do in one year .

To me, It is pretty much same with Messi . When I used to watch Ronaldinho or Edgar Davids face a defender , during that moment , I used to wonder what fancy trick he will pull it off right now to beat this defender or defenders and they always pulled something extraordinary that later I would try imitate .

What Messi has new ? Messi's signature move ok or dribble right to left . Honestly , I don't even watch highlights of Barcelona because I pretty much know how he scored the goal . I hava image in my head . Unfortunately , Ronaldo became basic too because he is trying to score more and do safe moves . I remember he used to pull flashy tricks to beat players in United. Maybe he still does it and I don't notice it anymore .

tiki_taka 11 years ago Edited

Barcelona, France 367 9768

I stopped at Edgar Davids :) and laughed hard, come on :D.
for the players, Lampard,Gerard and Terry dont you see them as Legends, what did they achieve on international games ?
Well as always Marcus, you are highly subjective since Messi touched the crossbar against Chelsea many MANY times, its more about luck than weakness.
Chelsea is much easier than Real Madrid or Bayern, i would be happy if we meet in Semi. (If we both qualify)...
Actually, i think Atletico is stronger than Chelsea, but Chelsea has Mourinho so that makes them a little more dangerous but not unbeatable, you lost to many teams under Mourinho this year.
No need to say you never watch him play, its the only reason to have this judgement.

@Tuanjin I feel like i have a clone here in this forum :), we agree in so many things...

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2014-03-27 19:09:27

I stopped at Edgar Davids :) come on :D
for the players, Lampard,Gerard and Terry dont you see them as Legends, what did they achieve on international games ??
Well as always Marcus, you are highly subjective since Messi youched the crossbar against Chelsea many MANY times, its more about luck than weakness
Chelsea is much easier than Real Madrid or Bayern, i would be happy if we meet in Semi. (If we both qualify)...

2014-03-27 19:09:27

I stopped at Edgar Davids :) come on :D
for the players, Lampard,Gerard and Terry dont you see them as Legends, what did they achieve on international games ??
Well as always Marcus, you are highly subjective since Messi touched the crossbar against Chelsea many MANY times, its more about luck than weakness
Chelsea is much easier than Real Madrid or Bayern, i would be happy if we meet in Semi. (If we both qualify)...

2014-03-27 19:09:27

I stopped at Edgar Davids :) and laughed hard, come on :D.
for the players, Lampard,Gerard and Terry dont you see them as Legends, what did they achieve on international games ??
Well as always Marcus, you are highly subjective since Messi touched the crossbar against Chelsea many MANY times, its more about luck than weakness
Chelsea is much easier than Real Madrid or Bayern, i would be happy if we meet in Semi. (If we both qualify)...

No need to say you never watch him play, its the only reason to have this judgement.
Making facts from the highlights, thats why im tired of arguing some people cant feel MAGIC :)

2014-03-27 19:09:27

I stopped at Edgar Davids :) and laughed hard, come on :D.
for the players, Lampard,Gerard and Terry dont you see them as Legends, what did they achieve on international games ??
Well as always Marcus, you are highly subjective since Messi touched the crossbar against Chelsea many MANY times, its more about luck than weakness
Chelsea is much easier than Real Madrid or Bayern, i would be happy if we meet in Semi. (If we both qualify)...

No need to say you never watch him play, its the only reason to have this judgement.
Making facts from the highlights, thats why im tired of arguing some people cant feel MAGIC :)
Im sorry Marcus, you cant be that blind if you were watching any games...

2014-03-27 19:09:27

I stopped at Edgar Davids :) and laughed hard, come on :D.
for the players, Lampard,Gerard and Terry dont you see them as Legends, what did they achieve on international games ??
Well as always Marcus, you are highly subjective since Messi touched the crossbar against Chelsea many MANY times, its more about luck than weakness
Chelsea is much easier than Real Madrid or Bayern, i would be happy if we meet in Semi. (If we both qualify)...

No need to say you never watch him play, its the only reason to have this judgement.
Making facts from the highlights, thats why im tired of arguing some people cant feel MAGIC :)
Im sorry Marcus, you cant be that blind if you were watching any games...

@Tuanjin I feel like i have a clone here in this forum :), we agree in so many things...

2014-03-27 19:09:27

I stopped at Edgar Davids :) and laughed hard, come on :D.
for the players, Lampard,Gerard and Terry dont you see them as Legends, what did they achieve on international games ??
Well as always Marcus, you are highly subjective since Messi touched the crossbar against Chelsea many MANY times, its more about luck than weakness
Chelsea is much easier than Real Madrid or Bayern, i would be happy if we meet in Semi. (If we both qualify)...

No need to say you never watch him play, its the only reason to have this judgement.
Making facts from the highlights, thats why im tired of arguing some people cant feel MAGIC :)
Im sorry Marcus, you cant be that blind if you were watching any games...

@Tuanjin I feel like i have a clone here in this forum :), we agree in so many things...

2014-03-27 19:09:27

I stopped at Edgar Davids :) and laughed hard, come on :D.
for the players, Lampard,Gerard and Terry dont you see them as Legends, what did they achieve on international games ??
Well as always Marcus, you are highly subjective since Messi touched the crossbar against Chelsea many MANY times, its more about luck than weakness
Chelsea is much easier than Real Madrid or Bayern, i would be happy if we meet in Semi. (If we both qualify)...

No need to say you never watch him play, its the only reason to have this judgement.
Making facts from the highlights, thats why im tired of arguing some people cant feel MAGIC :)

Im sorry Marcus, you cant be that blind if you were watching any games...

@Tuanjin I feel like i have a clone here in this forum :), we agree in so many things...

2014-03-27 19:09:27

I stopped at Edgar Davids :) and laughed hard, come on :D.
for the players, Lampard,Gerard and Terry dont you see them as Legends, what did they achieve on international games ?
Well as always Marcus, you are highly subjective since Messi touched the crossbar against Chelsea many MANY times, its more about luck than weakness.
Chelsea is much easier than Real Madrid or Bayern, i would be happy if we meet in Semi. (If we both qualify)...

No need to say you never watch him play, its the only reason to have this judgement.

@Tuanjin I feel like i have a clone here in this forum :), we agree in so many things...

tuan_jinn 11 years ago Edited

Manchester United, Netherlands 198 6912

@Marcus: you said: "What Messi has new ? Messi's signature move ok or dribble right to left . Honestly , I don't even watch highlights of Barcelona because I pretty much know how he scored the goal . I hava image in my head . Unfortunately , Ronaldo became basic too because he is trying to score more and do safe moves".

Mate, I hope you are joking. You are the first person I know to say "pretty much know how Messi score agoal". Seriously... the first and the only one. People can argue about Messi not performing in international level or can't do header, but talking about Messi being predictable and can tell how he would score his goal is just absurd. We all know he is a king of CHIPPING the ball to score when being 1vs1 with the goalie. Which is one of the most difficult technique, and more enjoyable to watch compare to 1vs1 shoot...

The rest from Messi is just hard to even guess, because the guy can just assist, put an insane through ball or run directly through your defend and make fools out of everyone. I remember the feeling when Manchester United vs Barca in the 2 finals, I feel like sh!ting myself everytime Messi is in-front...

Ronaldo is a bit easier to predict, cuz he's normally cut in the middle from the wing, but even that it's hard to stop him sometimes, and when he is inside the box waiting for an assist, he will pop out from anywhere to score... killer instinct.

Chelsea stopped Messi! its true, from scoring. But remember, when you park the bus or play counter, it's always easier to stop and mark players especially with such great defenders. But Chelsea also failed to stop Messi from making a mess out of your defense at some point, and Chelsea was very lucky to get away with it (bar and post).

@Tiki: a clone??? nahhh, wait until Barca vs MU again. :D I dont think it would happen this year though

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2014-03-27 22:06:15

@Marcus: you said: "What Messi has new ? Messi's signature move ok or dribble right to left . Honestly , I don't even watch highlights of Barcelona because I pretty much know how he scored the goal . I hava image in my head . Unfortunately , Ronaldo became basic too because he is trying to score more and do safe moves".

Mate, I hope you are joking. You are the first person I know to say "pretty much know how Messi score agoal". Seriously... the first and the only one. People can argue about Messi not performing in international level or can't do header, but talking about Messi being predictable and can tell how he would score his goal is just absurd. We all know he is a king of CHIPPING the ball to score when being 1vs1 with the goalie. Which is one of the most difficult technique, and more enjoyable to watch compare to 1vs1 shoot...

The rest from Messi is just hard to even guess, because the guy can just assist, put an insane through ball or run directly through your defend and make fools out of everyone. I remember the feeling when Manchester United vs Barca in the 2 finals, I feel like sh!ting myself everytime Messi is in-front...

Ronaldo is a bit easier to predict, cuz he's normally cut in the middle from the wing, but even that it's hard to stop him sometimes, and when he is inside the box waiting for an assist, he will pop out from anywhere to score... killer instinct.

Chelsea stops Messi! its true, from scoring. But remember, when you park the bus or play counter, it's always easier to stop and mark players especially with such great defenders. But Chelsea also failed to stop Messi made a mess out of your defense at some point, and were very lucky to get away with it (bar and post).

@Tiki: a clone??? nahhh, wait until Barca vs MU again. :D I dont think it would happen this year though

2014-03-27 22:06:15

@Marcus: you said: "What Messi has new ? Messi's signature move ok or dribble right to left . Honestly , I don't even watch highlights of Barcelona because I pretty much know how he scored the goal . I hava image in my head . Unfortunately , Ronaldo became basic too because he is trying to score more and do safe moves".

Mate, I hope you are joking. You are the first person I know to say "pretty much know how Messi score agoal". Seriously... the first and the only one. People can argue about Messi not performing in international level or can't do header, but talking about Messi being predictable and can tell how he would score his goal is just absurd. We all know he is a king of CHIPPING the ball to score when being 1vs1 with the goalie. Which is one of the most difficult technique, and more enjoyable to watch compare to 1vs1 shoot...

The rest from Messi is just hard to even guess, because the guy can just assist, put an insane through ball or run directly through your defend and make fools out of everyone. I remember the feeling when Manchester United vs Barca in the 2 finals, I feel like sh!ting myself everytime Messi is in-front...

Ronaldo is a bit easier to predict, cuz he's normally cut in the middle from the wing, but even that it's hard to stop him sometimes, and when he is inside the box waiting for an assist, he will pop out from anywhere to score... killer instinct.

Chelsea stops Messi! its true, from scoring. But remember, when you park the bus or play counter, it's always easier to stop and mark players especially with such great defenders. But Chelsea also failed to stop Messi made a mess out of your defense at some point, and were very lucky to get away with it (bar and post).

@Tiki: a clone??? nahhh, wait until Barca vs MU again. :D I dont think it would happen this year though

Marcus2011 11 years ago Edited

Chelsea FC, England 277 6501

@tiki

What is wrong with Edgar Davids ? He was a amazing player and one of my favorites . This man was a pure freestyler . He started this whole showing off with a ball thing before Ronaldinho or C. Ronaldo .
Lampard and Terry two man that dragged england constantly . You know why England is in world cup ? Because Lampard's goals that saved England in qualifying matches and he is 35 with exhausted body , who used to run from one goal line all the way to other goal line , non -stop through the whole match . Lampard is bad example.

John Terry ? Captain of England , he almost never underperform , he gave what coaches wanted from him .

Either way I don't see where you coming from with this .

I see , You are talking about whole team of England . If you remember it was full of super stars that played for top clubs in the world . It was national version of Real Madrid "Galactico" . Team full of stars but could not play as a team . Every player in England team were stars in their clubs and in Europe . I mean every one of them. PLayers with high egos. Expectation from them was higher than from any national team , which always added unnecessary pressure . Unfortunately there was not a coach that could lead them to victories . However, I tell you one thing they always did better than Argentina and still are with crappy players .

In Former England "Galactico" team everyone gave their best amean sincerely gave everything , but just like Madrid it was not a team . It did not have chemistry . If you remember Madrid decline started when they started to buy more stars and took out the players that they thought were not necessary but they were essential to chemistry of the team.

Argentina has a perfect mix of super quality , middle and low quality of players . So egos do not conflict and players play for the team recognizing the best and poorest . The flow of the team is natural and everyone is doing just fine but Messi . Just recently he performed somewhat what is expected from him in qualifying matches and friendlies , well if you not include Romania .

However, in last major competitions Messi was mediocre . Messi did not register a single goal in last world cup ( funny but still won world player of the year award ) and same copa america 11 . He played like an average footballer . He is a striker and him not scoring at national level or struggling to score , shows that he is not a player who will be just as successful in Barcelona as in any other club . To me he is always perfect piece to Barcelona's game puzzle.

@tun @tiki

Break Barcelona's tactics and watch Messi not being able to do anything .

Chelsea did it , Arsenal in second leg in 2011 almost did it ( but funny thing referees ruined it , P.S. seems odd that it happens always when Barcelona is in trouble ) ,Real started doing with Mourinho in the last Classicos . Bayern did it by mile over did it . I hope you get what I am trying to say : As son as team breaks Barca tactics , Messi becomes very ineffective .

Just to rewind . In 2012 we were at our lowest, but wood work or luck does not come from the sky and it even Barcelona's coach was disappointed and angry at Barcelona players. We beat Barcelona and eliminated Messi factor fair and square . That missed penalty that you mention was justice because Fabregas pulled Hollywood style dive in the box .

P.S. .. . you do remember that two goals that Chelsea scored were because of Messi loosing the ball ?

Ok you may claim we parked the bus. However, Chelsea did not park any bus in 2009 but not a single shot on target except Iniesta's goal . Messi was player of the year in 2009 was not he ? What happened to him during that match or the ones before 2009 ? He seemed to find easy to score against Real Madrid , but Chelsea was too "unlucky " . You draw the conclusion for yourself , but I find him easily taken out if smart coach uses proper tactics and players follow those tactics.

I am biased to you , because everyone's opinion is biased compare to other unless they match . However, above I tried to give some facts , I hope you recognized them . Messi is great player and I do not deny it but he does not impress me to be considered greatest and "god " like some like to call him . ( sounds idiotic )

Like I said I grew up watching other Greats and their style of football is my favorite.

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2014-03-28 16:20:46

@tiki

What is wrong with Edgar Davids ? He was a amazing player and one of my favorites . This man was a pure freestyler . He started this whole showing off with a ball thing before Ronaldinho or C. Ronaldo .
Lampard and Terry two man that dragged england constantly . You know why England is in world cup ? Because Lampard's goals that saved England in qualifying matches and he is 35 with exhausted body , who used to run from one goal line all the way to other goal line , non -stop through the whole match . Lampard is bad example.

John Terry ? Captain of England , he almost never underperform , he gave what coaches wanted from him .

Either way I don't see where you coming from with this .

I see , You are talking about whole team of England . If you remember it was full of super stars that played for top clubs in the world . It was national version of Real Madrid "Galactico" . Team full of stars but could not play as a team . Every player in England team were stars in their clubs and in Europe . I mean every one of them. PLayers with high egos. Expectation from them was higher than from any national team , which always added unnecessary pressure . Unfortunately there was not a coach that could lead them to victories . However, I tell you one thing they always did better than Argentina and still are with crappy players .

In Former England "Galactico" team everyone gave their best amean sincerely gave everything , but just like Madrid it was not a team . It did not have chemistry . If you remember Madrid decline started when they started to buy more stars and took out the players that they thought were not necessary but they were essential to chemistry of the team.

Argentina has a perfect mix of super quality , middle and low quality of players . So egos do not conflict and players play for the team recognizing the best and poorest . The flow of the team is natural and everyone is doing just fine but Messi . Just recently he performed somewhat what is expected from him in qualifying matches and friendlies , well if you not include Romania .

However, in last major competitions Messi was mediocre . Messi did not register a single goal in last world cup ( funny but still won world player of the year award ) and same copa america 11 . He played like an average footballer . He is a striker and him not scoring at national level or struggling to score , shows that he is not a player who will be just as successful in Barcelona as in any other club . To me he is always perfect piece to Barcelona's game puzzle.

Break Barcelona's tactics and watch Messi not being able to do anything .

Chelsea did it , Arsenal in second leg in 2011 almost did it ( but funny thing referees ruined it , P.S. seems odd that it happens always when Barcelona is in trouble ) ,Real started doing with Mourinho in the last Classicos . Bayern did it by mile over did it . I hope you get what I am trying to say : As son as team breaks Barca tactics , Messi becomes very ineffective .

Just to rewind . In 2012 we were at our lowest, but wood work or luck does not come from the sky and it even Barcelona's coach was disappointed and angry at Barcelona players. We beat Barcelona and eliminated Messi factor fair and square . That missed penalty that you mention was justice because Fabregas pulled Hollywood style dive in the box .

P.S. .. . you do remember that two goals that Chelsea scored were because of Messi loosing the ball ?

Ok you may claim we parked the bus. However, Chelsea did not park any bus in 2009 but not a single shot on target except Iniesta's goal . Messi was player of the year in 2009 was not he ? What happened to him during that match or the ones before 2009 ? He seemed to find easy to score against Real Madrid , but Chelsea was too "unlucky " . You draw the conclusion for yourself , but I find him easily taken out if smart coach uses proper tactics and players follow those tactics.

I am biased to you , because everyone's opinion is biased compare to other unless they match . However, above I tried to give some facts , I hope you recognized them . Messi is great player and I do not deny it but he does not impress me to be considered greatest and "god " like some like to call him . ( sounds idiotic )

Like I said I grew up watching other Greats and their style of football is my favorite.

tiki_taka 11 years ago Edited

Barcelona, France 367 9768

Marcus : So you give all English players excuses and you cant do it for Messi ? By the way, Messi scored in WC2010.
And Fabregas PK was a clear Penalty, how can you say that ? Drogba went on tackling Fabregas while all Chelsea team were in the box, he felt a contact and he may have fallen easily but its understandable when other team refuse to play. Other than that, Messi touched the crossbar twice in 2006 and twice in 2012 not just for the penalty. You remember just what its suits you, that doesnt work like this.

Anyway, Chelsea is an exception not the rule, you may have succeded to control Messi in the past, that doesnt give you any guarantees you can do it now...
And if you look at his performence against other teams, you will understand that your point is Wrong.

PS : Ronaldo waited for many games before scoring his first goal against Barça, but once he did, he accumulated a big amount of goals scored to us. Messi could just do the same.

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2014-03-28 17:53:52

Marcus : So you give all English players excuses and you cant do it for Messi ? By the way, Messi scored in WC2010.
And Fabregas PK was a clear Penalty, how can you say that. Other than that, Messi touched the crossbar twice in 2006 and twice in 2012 not just for the penalty. You remember just what its suits you, that doesnt work like this.

Anyway, Chelsea is an exception not the rule, you may have succeded to control Messi in the past, that doesnt give you any guarantees you can do it now...
And if you look at his performence against other teams, you will understand that your point is Wrong.

PS : Ronaldo waited for many games before scoring his first goal against Barça, but once he did, he accumulated a big amount of goals scored to us. Messi could just do the same.

WayneRooney 11 years ago Edited

Manchester United, Argentina 52 488

okay can we talk about Benzema in the classico? i mean he was amazing he could've scored like 5 goals :0

for me i would rather watch Messi than Ronaldo play, i know what Ronaldo does (some random moves and stopovers on the spot for like 5 sec and then passes), where as Messi just goes through the whole team. and Marcus ur saying that Messi can't score against Chelsea, well obviously it would be hard for anyone to score on a team that has their whole team back in the 18 yard line (just saying :P). Even Bayern couldn't do it in the finals...

and also if you are regarded one of the best and can't do anything because of the formation then what is the point of having him on? there is a reason why he is called one of the best, no formation could keep him back (look at Messi, he can play wing, ST, and mid). thats why the Spanish are really good, they know how to play different positions (thats what i like about them) Ronaldo should learn how to play other formations, Ancelotti is an attack-minded manager so that could benefit Ronaldo.

As regarding to Messi vs Ronaldo, look at Messi's passes vs Ronaldo (even though i didn't see him in the match). Those through balls by Messi are mesmerizing (don't mind the word lol), he gives them out of nowhere, and i think everyone knows Messi's dribbling. As for Ronaldo, he is extremely fast (the first minute of the game where he went trough the defence easily and thats the wholly time i seen him :P) he is an amazing dribbler but he does those unnecessary useless step-overs (i think if he gets rid of those than he would be much better). But Messi was the difference in the match.

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2014-03-28 19:01:03

okay can we talk about Benzema in the classico? i mean he was amazing he could've scarred like 5 goals :0

for me i would rather watch Messi than Ronaldo play, i know what Ronaldo does (some random moves and stopovers on the spot for like 5 sec and then passes), where as Messi just goes through the whole team. and Marcus ur saying that Messi can't score against Chelsea, well obviously it would be hard for anyone to score on a team that has their whole team back in the 18 yard line (just saying :P). Even Bayern couldn't do it in the finals...

and also if you are regarded one of the best and can't do anything because of the formation then what is the point of having him on? there is a reason why he is called one of the best, no formation could keep him back (look at Messi, he can play wing, ST, and mid). thats why the Spanish are really good, they know how to play different positions (thats what i like about them) Ronaldo should learn how to play other formations, Ancelotti is an attack-minded manager so that could benefit Ronaldo.

As regarding to Messi vs Ronaldo, look at Messi's passes vs Ronaldo (even though i didn't see him in the match). Those through balls by Messi are mesmerizing (don't mind the word lol), he gives them out of nowhere, and i think everyone knows Messi's dribbling. As for Ronaldo, he is extremely fast (the first minute of the game where he went trough the defence easily and thats the wholly time i seen him :P) he is an amazing dribbler but he does those unnecessary useless step-overs (i think if he gets rid of those than he would be much better). But Messi was the difference in the match.

Dynastian98 11 years ago

Real Madrid 483 7140

@Tiki

Messi scored 0 goals in 2010 WC. Correct me if I'm wrong.

tiki_taka 11 years ago

Barcelona, France 367 9768

Thats wright, i had the goals in 2006 in my mind. But thats what i've found about Messi for WC2010.

For the 2010 World Cup, Messi wore the number 10 shirt for the first time in a major tournament. Messi played the entire game on Argentina's opening match in the 2010 World Cup, the 1–0 victory against Nigeria. He had several opportunities to score but was repeatedly denied by Nigerian goalkeeper Vincent Enyeama, who was named man of the match by FIFA. Messi started in Argentina's following 4–1 win against Korea Republic; he played in more of an attacking midfielder and playmaking role under Maradona, and participated in all of the goals of his team, helping Gonzalo Higuaín score a hat-trick. In the third group match, Messi was named captain for Argentina in a 2–0 win over Greece. He was again the centrepoint of Argentina's play, playing an important role in both of his team's goals, and was voted man of the match. At the Round of 16 he assisted Carlos Tevez for the first goal in a 3–1 win against Mexico. The World Cup ended for Argentina with a 4–0 loss againstGermany in the quarter-finals. Messi was nominated in ten player shortlist for Golden Ball award by FIFA Technical Study Group. The group identified Messi with the following words: "Outstanding in his pace and creativity for his team, dribbling, shooting, passing – spectacular and efficient"

Marcus2011 11 years ago

Chelsea FC, England 277 6501

@tiki sorry for getting back late mate , weekend usually my busy days .

English players excuses

I pretty sure when I mentioned Argentina , I meant collective effort and not individual . English team performed good , but full of stars everyone expected from them World Cup win and Euro win or at least reach the finals since 1998 till 2010 .
What mean is collectively Argentina is superior to many sides in the world and every player fits into team just fine but Messi ...

I was talking about 2010 when he already bagged 2 Ballon Dors already ... is that how best player looks this days ? Can't score a single goal in international tournament . Considering that he is a striker .

Fabregas

It always amazes how you can easily defend Barcelona players diving . Fabregas is master at diving ever since he came to Barca. here is a video I suggest you look closer . He divided harder than olympic diver.

Messi touched the crossbar twice in 2006 and twice in 2012

Who cares if Messi touched the bar ? Hey Cristiano Ronaldo also hit the bar , did you know Ruud Van Nisterloy hit the bar in 2006 few times , could have scored more /// mate speak facts . Messi chocked and did not register a single goal and that is a fact . If you are basing your judgements of his performance by highlights , then I think you need to watch the matches . They always make it look like he did a lot in fact, he was constantly isolated and out of position and could not find a good touch or go past player .

Chelsea is an exception not the rule

Chelsea keeps contained and will keep him contained for many more years if he even scores one it won't be easy at all .

Messi vs other teams and Ronaldo vs Barca e

Messi a fantastic player who is playing in a great team with great system . However, as soon as a team finds a way to stop Barca tactics , Messi chokes along with tactics and whole Barca team .

Barcelona was clearly superior team until Mourinho came to Real and set up the team to play up to their potential . Did you watch matches ? Barca had like 70% possession every match and Real running around until Mourinho found the remedy . It took Ronaldo 3 games to score but he did . And then again he is a winger .

Messi 2010 world cup

Just look at the teams he had to face ... Greece , Nigeria , Korea and Mexico ... He was center piece of this and played this role and role and hit the bar . Are you mentioning That bizarre assist to Tevez who was miles offside which pissed off the Mexican team that they could not get back into game for rest of the match ?

... all this called sugar coating his performance in 2010 WC to justify his FIFA player of the year award which was complete injustice towards Snijder and Iniesta ( to me Snijder deserved more ) .

tiki_taka 11 years ago Edited

Barcelona, France 367 9768

@marcus You should admit that Mourinho era in Madrid was all but succesful, we won 4 times more trophies than Mourinho. I agree he helped Madrid to be stronger but never to end our dominance on the main titles.

Mourinho lost his duel with Pep FAIR AND SQUARE, get over it.

What mean is collectively Argentina is superior to many sides in the world and every player fits into team just fine but Messi ... :
False, they have a very bad defense and lack quality in some eras on the field. And Messi is their best player.

YOU NEVER WATCH GAMES EXCEPT EPL AND CL GAMES, admit it.

Who cares if Messi touched the bar ? : That just proves that you were lucky, could you tell me the oposite ?
Messi had only few games where he strugled as every human being, but the other games he is outstanding.
Against Milan ? Against PSG ? Against Arsenal ? Against United ? Against Real Madrid .................. you hate this player, your point is clearly biased.

And for diving, your team had their part of dives : Drogba, Ramirez, Ashley cole....etc dived many times.
Drogba is a forward, he had nothing to do in the Penalty era and he is very bad at tackling, Cesc is very experimented dont miss your tackle in front of him. Thats reminds me of Ramirez Penalty this year at injury time when Chelsea stole victory in PL.
I guess you didnt see it like this :) : Its easier to defend Mourinho and Chelsea dives and to insult Barça in this forum, right ? Or its never a dive, or there is slight contact...

Well every world cup team is dangerous, thats why English results are not good.

Well marcus,like i said before, Chelsea is an exception not the rule, you may have succeded to control Messi in the past, that doesnt give you any guarantees you can do it now... prepare the next game against us, with a CB and a GK you will see who is right.

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2014-04-02 02:47:22

@marcus You should admit that Mourinho era in Madrid was all but succesful, we won 4 times more trophies than Mourinho. I agree he helped Madrid to be stronger but never to end our dominance on the main titles.

Mourinho lost his duel with Pep FAIR AND SQUARE, get over it.

What mean is collectively Argentina is superior to many sides in the world and every player fits into team just fine but Messi ... :
False, they have a very bad defense and lack quality in some eras on the field. And Messi is their best player.

YOU NEVER WATCH GAMES EXCEPT EPL AND CL GAMES, admit it.

Who cares if Messi touched the bar ? : That just proves that you were lucky, could you tell me the oposite ?
Messi had only few games where he strugled as every human being, but the other games he is outstanding.
Against Milan ? Against PSG ? Against Arsenal ? Against United ? Against Real Madrid .................. you hate this player, your point is clearly biased.

And for diving, your team had their part of dives : Drogba, Ramirez, Ashley cole....etc dived many times.
Drogba is a forward, he had nothing to do in the Penalty era and he is very bad at tackling, Cesc is very experimented dont miss your tackle in front of him. Thats reminds me of Ramirez Penalty this year at injury time when Chelsea stole victory in PL.
I guess you didnt see it like this :) : Its easier to defend Mourinho and Chelsea dives and to insult Barça in this forum, right ? Or its never a dive, or there is slight contact...

Well every world cup team is dangerous, thats why English results are not good.

Well marcus, you dont have any better player in your team than Messi, prepare the next game against us, with a CB and a GK you will see who is right.