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Im just taking a picture of the actual reality from my point of view, im not bitter why should i :) ?
And whats happening in PL is just normal, Chelsea are ahead of other teams and seems the only club to Spanish top 3 level.
Last year, it was open because Chelsea couldnt dominate small teams, with the new signings and Mou tactics it has become a formality.
A close league doesnt reflect the quality of the league, that can bring excitement but it doesnt reflect its strenght or weaknesses.
Its not Bundeliga teams fault if Bayern is unstoppable, and they are working very hard to get that consistent. Same could be said about PL if Mou continues his work.
but it doesnt mean others cant follow them, Mourinho has made a bar a little higher and i suspect Manchester teams to follow their steps in the future.
"Atletic Madrid has 30% of QPR budget while there is no match in the field in term of quality players, attractivity, coaching...."
Why does this lie keep coming up?
Atletico Madrid are over 400 MILLION EUROS in debt because of their expenditure. They most certainly do NOT have 30% of QPR's budget. They simply keep putting all their revenue into servicing that debt, because they spent 400 MILLION EUROS getting to where they are.
That's behind only Madrid, Barca, Chelsea and City.
@Lod
Valencia are in some pretty heavy sh*t right now too. They still insist on spending the greens on new players, while attempting to decrease their massive debt at the same time. It's difficult, but they won't be competitive for a while now Not until they get their debt sorted out.
"And whats happening in PL is just normal, Chelsea are ahead of other teams and seems the only club to Spanish top 3 level.:"
LOLwut?
Barcelona are not on Madrid's level, and it remains to be seen if they're even on Atletico's level at present. You keep acting as though there's this equal Top 3 thing going on in La Liga, but the truth is that Madrid whipped Barcelona about as badly as they whipped Liverpool.
Chelsea are on the level of Bayern and Madrid. Those three are in a group of their own at the moment.
By contrast, has anyone noticed that the English league currently has a mere 9 points separating 4th and 19th?
That's SIXTEEN TEAMS separated by a mere 9 points, after a quarter of the season. THAT's what the TV rights results in, in the PL. It results in teams who can compete with one another to a degree that is simply alien to, say Spain.
And yes, that makes for a better league.
And in a couple of years? It is going to blow everything else away, just like it did when Chelsea were bought by Abramovic, and the English Top 4 Era began. The PL became easily the best league in the world, and it's taken 10 years for La Liga or the Bundesliga to catch them back up.
Now that City are on the scene, and with the amount of TV money available to even the lower teams in order to compete, it is only going to get tougher to win in England, as those canteras and academies across Europe start to sell to English teams who previously could not afford to pluck them.
Why do you think Benteke ended up at Villa? How about Bony at Swansea? Mirallas at Everton, etc.
Lille, Ajax and Standrd Liege are churning out great players yearly, for example, and they're not generally heading to Spain, partly of course because the canteras themselves are so prolific, and because of how close La Liga is to the Portuguese league, and the shared language boost towards South America instead. Even those fine young Spanish products themselves are now starting to flood OUT of the league at a frightening rate. Examples include Mata, Silva, Navas, Moreno, Azpilicueta, Hererra, Torres etc etc.
And don't forget that aside from Iniesta, Xavi and Casillas, the truly greatest players in La Liga came from somewhere else, originally.
Make no mistake: the temporary (and inevitable) lull of the PL is starting to end, already. Yes, for a couple of years, the PL has under-performed in Europe, while the internal landscape changed. Chelsea are already back to the elite bracket, and United will be, eventually -- the squad they are starting to build is going to be brilliant. City are a player or two away from being on Chelsea's level, and Arsenal, Liverpool, Tottenham and Everton (perhaps even Southampton) will be all strengthening constantly to keep up the pace.
Meanwhile, Barcelona are busy buying Suarez, because there isn't anyone in Spain who was good enough (that doesn't play for Real), and Costa was already snapped up. THAT is ANOTHER consequence of the TV rights thing.
Spain's league could be incredible, if there was money there not held in Camp Nou or the Bernabeu. The continued existence of the Barca/Real duopoly, both financially and in terms of league impact, is both the only thing keeping them relevant on the European stage, and the thing holding them back.
When the bubble bursts, it's going to burst hard. :/
"And whats happening in PL is just normal, Chelsea are ahead of other teams and seems the only club to Spanish top 3 level.:"
LOLwut?
Barcelona are not on Madrid's level, and it remains to be seen if they're even on Atletico's level at present. You keep acting as though there's this equal Top 3 thing going on in La Liga, but the truth is that Madrid whipped Barcelona about as badly as they whipped Liverpool.
Chelsea are on the level of Bayern and Madrid. Those three are in a group of their own at the moment.
By contrast, has anyone noticed that the English league currently has a mere 9 points separating 4th and 19th?
That's SIXTEEN TEAMS separated by a mere 9 points, after a quarter of the season. THAT's what the TV rights results in, in the PL. It results in teams who can compete with one another to a degree that is simply alien to, say Spain.
And yes, that makes for a better league.
And in a couple of years? It is going to blow everything else away, just like it did when Chelsea were bought by Abramovic, and the English Top 4 Era began. The PL became easily the best league in the world, and it's taken 10 years for La Liga or the Bundesliga to catch them back up.
Now that City are on the scene, and with the amount of TV money available to even the lower teams in order to compete, it is only going to get tougher to win in England, as those canteras and academies across Europe start to sell to English teams who previously could not afford to pluck them.
Why do you think Benteke ended up at Villa? How about Bony at Swansea? Mirallas at Everton, etc.
Lille, Ajax and Standrd Liege are churning out great players yearly, for example, and they're not generally heading to Spain, partly of course because the canteras themselves are so prolific, and because of how close La Liga is to the Portuguese league, and the shared language boost towards South America instead. Even those fine young Spanish products themselves are now starting to flood OUT of the league at a frightening rate. Examples include Mata, Silva, Navas, Moreno, Azpilicueta, Hererra, Torres etc etc.
And don't forget that aside from Iniesta, Xavi and Casillas, the truly greatest players in La Liga came from somewhere else, originally.
Make no mistake: the temporary (and inevitable) lull of the PL is starting to end, already. Yes, for a couple of years, the PL has under-performed in Europe, while the internal landscape changed. Chelsea are already back to the elite bracket, and United will be, eventually -- the squad they are starting to build is going to be brilliant. City are a player or two away from being on Chelsea's level, and Arsenal, Liverpool, Tottenham and Everton (perhaps even Southampton) will be all strengthening constantly to keep up the pace.
Meanwhile, Barcelona are busy buying Suarez, because there isn't anyone in Spain who was good enough (that doesn't play for Real), and Costa was already snapped up. THAT is ANOTHER consequence of the TV rights thing.
Spain's league could be incredible, if there was money there not held in Camp Nou or the Bernabeu. The continued existence of the Barca/Real duopoly, both financially and in terms of league impact, is both the only thing keeping them relevant on the European stage, and the thing holding them back.
When the bubble bursts, it's going to burst hard. :/
@Dynast: I agree. It's going to take a LONG time until the other teams have a shot, so long as the duopoly continues. If the money were even... a lot of Spanish clubs could probably get afloat again in a couple of seasons.
@Lod
I'm extremely excited to see a La Liga with proper TV money distribution. It will make La Liga something similar to the EPL back in '05-'10. That was the time that I perceived the EPL to be at their peak. They slowly deteriorated after that, with United being the dominant force, and Chelsea a lingering force in Europe. Now Chelsea seem to have hit their old heights, but their results in Europe have not been as convincing as I'd like'd to see. Arsenal and Liverpool are absolute trash, and City seem to be unnaturally poor in the Champions League. It'll take a few more years for the EPL to get out of their slump. Chelsea will probably be a notch above the rest though, partly because of their intelligent transfers and partly because of Mourinho.
@Lod
I'm extremely excited to see a La Liga with proper TV money distribution. It will make La Liga something similar to the EPL back in '05-'10. That was the time that I perceived the EPL to be at their peak. They slowly deteriorated after that, with United being the dominant force, and Chelsea a lingering force in Europe. Now Chelsea seem to have hit their old heights, but their results in Europe have not been as convincing as I'd like'd to see. Arsenal and Liverpool are absolute trash, and City seem to be unnaturally poor in the Champions League. It'll take a few more years for the EPL to get out of their slump. Chelsea will probably be a notch above the rest though, partly because of their money and partly because of Mourinho.
"Arsenal and Liverpool are absolute trash,"
That I do not agree with at all. I have no particular reason to defend Arsenal, but they are still a good team which could do well with significant upgrades. Liverpool just splashed a ton of cash (like Tottenham did) hoping it would work out, and right now it's not. But some of their purchases were good ones, and they might be pretty decent in a season or two.
City, I think, suffer from a lack of club history, and that's what's hindering them Europe-wise. They had had only a limited league history, to be honest, and the fan-base before Mansour took over was pretty much confined to the city of Manchester. It'd be like taking Deportivo, and making them into PSG. Same effect.
So, while they've gotten a lot of NEW fans (especially abroad, outside Europe), their presence within Europe still isn't there. They're not a team that evokes any glory from the past, there, so there's no tradition or golden era to identify with, on their European stage.
Pellegrini needs to drill some of that ambition into them, but I don't think he's the right man for that job. Mancini clearly wasn't. Perhaps Ancelotti, whenever Madrid choose to let him go, would make them true greats. But I DO think the squad they've put together is good enough to challenge for the CL, and with say, a Robben or a Modric in their side, they'd be truly elite.
"Arsenal and Liverpool are absolute trash,"
That I do not agree with at all. I have no particular reason to defend Arsenal, but they are still a good team which could do well with significant upgrades. Liverpool just splashed a ton of cash (like Tottenham did) hoping it would work out, and right now it's not. But some of their purchases were good ones, and they might be pretty decent in a season or two.
City, I think, suffer from a lack of club history, and that's what's hindering them Europe-wise. They had had only a limited league history, to be honest, and the fan-base before Mansour took over was pretty much confined to the city of Manchester. It'd be like taking Deportivo, and making them into PSG. Same effect.
So, while they've gotten a lot of NEW fans (especially abroad, outside Europe), their presence within Europe still isn't there. They're not a team that evokes any glory from the past, there, so there's no tradition or golden era to identify with, on their European stage.
Pellegrini needs to drill some of that ambition into them, but I don't think he's the right man for that job. Mancini clearly wasn't. Perhaps Ancelotti, whenever Madrid choose to let him go, would make them true greats. But I DO think the squad they've put together is good enough to challenge for the CL, and with say, a Robben or a Modric in their side, they'd be truly elite.
@Lod
The squad is all there for City, but the mentality isn't. For example, Madrid under Pellegrini was a stacked team, but they didn't have the mentality to win. That's why they lost to Lyon. But Mourinho was able to instill that mentality into their brain so well that Madrid players went from being scared in Clasicos to being ruthless in them. These are the type of managers you need. Your Mourinhos, Ancelottis, and Simeones, who can instill a winning mentality into a squad. And they can do this regardless of how good the squad is. That's what City have always lacked, and that's what hinders them from being as good as their squad actually is.
Liverpool will bounce back next season if they keep Rodgers. He is an excellent manager, and his plans were hindered by Suarez's sudden exit. I think he will do much better next season. However, I stand my point on Arsenal. They are trash, proven by their 4 wins out of 12 matches in the EPL this season. They are not Champions League material, and will hopefully get knocked out in an embarrassing manner to finally convince their board to leave Wenger behind and move on with a more promising manager.
"And they can do this regardless of how good the squad is. That's what City have always lacked, and that's what hinders them from being as good as their squad actually is."
That I most certainly agree with.
"However, I stand my point on Arsenal. They are trash, proven by their 4 wins out of 12 matches in the EPL this season."
I think, rather, that the PL is already becoming tougher, from top to bottom. The upgrades Arsenal bought over the last few years have been okay (Cazorla, Monreal, Giroud) but not really good enough, and even the two obvious ones (Ozil and Sanchez) have not been enough to keep Arsenal far enough ahead of the rest of the pack. The slow rise in quality of the rest of the league is starting to take its toll on Arsenal's points haul.
They did, however, have an amazing run last year, when Ramsey was incredible and Ozil still had momentum. They're not crap, they're just not good ENOUGH to keep pace with Chelsea and City (and probably United). With the money they now have available, and if Wenger could change his ways, a few really good additions would make them pretty good too.