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Discussion Thread - 2008-2009 Barcelona vs 2014-2015 Barcelona? The best trio of the history?
Emrecan_58 10 years ago Edited
Besiktas 149 3375

Barcelona this year plays superb and MSN trio after their adaptation one another, are one of the best I've ever seen.
Barcelona will most probably win La Liga. They are also favourites of the Champions League and in the Finals of Copa Del Rey.
We all know 2008-2009 Barcelona team coached by Guardiola have gone all the way for the treble.

And now the MSN trio rules the world. They are going for another Treble this year. And I think they can do it.



*MSN have 52 Assists overall
So what do you think? 2008-2009 Barcelona or 2014-2015 Barcelona?

I believe it is 2014-2015 Barcelona and I also believe that MSN are the best trio of the history if they win all the trophies.

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Barcelona this year plays superb and MSN trio after their adaptation one another, are one of the best I've ever seen.
Barcelona will most probably win La Liga. They are also favourites of the Champions League and in the Finals of Copa Del Rey.
We all know 2008-2009 Barcelona team coached by Guardiola have gone all the way for the treble.

And now the MSN trio rules the world. They are going for another Treble this year. And I think they can do it.

So what do you think? 2008-2009 Barcelona or 2014-2015 Barcelona?

I believe it is 2014-2015 Barcelona and I also believe that MSN are the best trio of the history if they win all the trophies.

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Dynastian98 10 years ago
Real Madrid 483 7140

This Barcelona is winning because their forward trio is exceptionally good. MSN are carrying this Barcelona to everything. Barcelona's midfield and defense are definitely below par compared to Juventus, Real, and Bayern. Real has already beaten Barcelona over 2 legs in the league without Bale in one leg and James in the other, and I believe Juventus can do the same as well. Bayern were ripped with injuries and Pep had his tactics wrong. A few changes here and there and Bayern could've also beaten Barca.

This Barcelona team is a far cry from 2011 and 2009 Barcelona. I've watched them all, and I can certainly tell you that 2011 Barcelona and 2009 Barcelona are much better. The older versions of Barca didn't rely entirely on Messi to win... Xavi and Iniesta were excellent, Puyol and Pique were two of the best defenders in the world, supporting strikers such as Villa and Eto'o were also among the very best, and Messi was an ever-present monster. This Barcelona team's midfield is definitely below the older Barca's, and so is their defense. However, MSN is better than the Messi/Villa/Pedro and Messi/Eto'o/Henry trios.

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quikzyyy 10 years ago
Arsenal 429 9010

For the whole team I would say 2009 was better. As @Dynastian98 stated, defence and midfielder are far from the 2009.

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tiki_taka 10 years ago
Barcelona, France 367 9768

Madrid didnt won over two legs to Barça, where was this ?
This is a different Barça sure, who were obliged to change their way of handling games and to let the ball sometimes to opposition, midlefield isnt their main strenght but the fact Messi is playing there makes it the most deadly one ever...
Messi is Barça's heart, the playmaker, and even this still able to have stratospheric goal scoring rake, Neymar owes Messi a lot, despite being in his best form since his transfer, Rakitic is getting better and betterand Barça without this transfer ban could have been even better...

Anyway, in term of quality play, the 2011 Barça was the best ever, but in term of maturity, set pieces, versatility, this Barça has many positives, they prooved their adaptation capacities versus any style of playing teams, they faced possession teams, counter attaking, rough teams, Bus teams and they defeated them all...

Im talking about Barça of 2015, because Barça got only 2 weak weeks all the season, and the 2 defeats vs PSG and Madrid were in the same week ( 3 days ).

When you have inform Messi, there is nothing to be affraid of, and i really loved the way Enrique handled rotations and saved players energy when the game result was granted, the team focused on results over stats and thats what they are getting.

Midlefield isnt really a problem if Messi stays in his usual form, and reinforcements will come January the date the ban would end.

This Barça is less esthetic, less focused on destroying the rival, but probably the most effective one, gives less chances to rivals to comeback or to score, defensively they were monsters with the help of GKs, i guess with Ter Stegen or Bravo, more trophies would have been won all these years and of course with Mathieu arrival and Bartra hard work, Piqué has been back to a world class level, one of the best defenders of the season.

Im just proud of them, everyone was rulling them out with the transfer ban and the controversy, they kept working hard and believing in their abilities, they fought this year like true champions leaded by the greatest player i have seen play and its far from being over because Xavi/Iniesta impact isnt that important now, transition has been made succesfully...

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Emrecan_58 10 years ago
Besiktas 149 3375

@Dynastian98
Barcelona's midfield is comfortable with their forward players. They just need to pass the ball to the trio. Then the job will be done by itself. Iniesta, Rakitic and the others could also perform well defensively and be active with their crucial passes. Dani Alves with his crosses and Pique with his defence are still considered one of the best . The important thing here is that MSN carries the team, yes; but in a magnificent way. Better than ever. We can just sit down and enjoy their play.
Barcelona and Real Madrid has beaten each other once this season. And Madrid's win against Barça happened back in Real's winning streak.

About Bayern without injuries, we will never know if they would have beaten Barça.

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Emrecan_58 10 years ago
Besiktas 149 3375

@tiki_taka
*"This is a different Barça sure, who were obliged to change their way of handling games and to let the ball sometimes to opposit*ion"

Main reason here is the midfield for sure like you said. But they know how to handle with the situation.

If you have deadly forward line-up. You can play wide open because you know you are going to score anyway. You don't see it as a big problem if you concede a goal in this situation.

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Dynastian98 10 years ago
Real Madrid 483 7140

@Emre

" And Madrid's win against Barça happened back in Real's winning streak. "

  • And vice versa for Barca's win against Real. It happened during Barca's winning streak. Real's winning streak ended and never came back for the simple fact that we haven't had our full lineup ever since then. We've lost Modric for more than half of the season, and James was out for 2 months as well. That's like Barcelona losing both Iniesta and Rakitic. It's the only reason we lost, the game was entirely a 50-50 match in the Camp Nou.

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tiki_taka 10 years ago
Barcelona, France 367 9768

I agree, but last year it was the same, Barça won home and away, and only lost in Copa final pairing Bartra-Montoya and Pinto. Madrid wast superior last year but took all the glory, im not saying it was undeserved, but last year was yours, this year is different and you should get over it...
Between those teams, few details makes the difference, this year is Barça turn.
Lets see if we meet in the final or not, and if so may the best team wins again...

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Dynastian98 10 years ago
Real Madrid 483 7140

@Tiki

Get over what? We've had our entire season ruined with injuries to almost every single one of our starting players. Barcelona have been extremely fortunate to not have any major injuries to important players and to face a Bayern missing 3 key players. It's just simple facts.

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tiki_taka 10 years ago Edited
Barcelona, France 367 9768

Last year Barça got Valdes injured and half of their defense, so it happens to any squad...
The best team is the team that handled injuries and rotation, a team who can also have good depth, your excuses for your team only concern madrid fans i dont really care, no one cared about Barça past injuries or lack of depth and its completely normal... So yeah get over it.

If Atletico hadnt injuries too, Madrid wont be CL holders, sometime its for you, but learn to accept when its against you...

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Last year Barça got Valdes injured and half of their defense, so it happens to any squad...
The best team is the team that handled injuries and rotation, a team who can also have good depth, your excuses for your team only concern madrid fans i dont really care, no one caredabout Barça injuries or lack of depth and its completely normal... So yeah get over it.

Last year Barça got Valdes injured and half of their defense, so it happens to any squad...
The best team is the team that handled injuries and rotation, a team who can also have good depth, your excuses for your team only concern madrid fans i dont really care, no one cared about Barça past injuries or lack of depth and its completely normal... So yeah get over it.

Tuanis 10 years ago
Manchester United, England 87 2311

I would pick 2009 any day, as a team it was way better. But if we had to compare only the attack trio the current one is the best. It is so good that only the attacking force compensates for the defense and has carried the team to nearly winning the second treble.

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Dynastian98 10 years ago
Real Madrid 483 7140

@Tiki

You mention Atletico's injuries but fail to mentions Xabi Alonso's absence...

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tiki_taka 10 years ago Edited
Barcelona, France 367 9768

I dont remember it, booked ? All this to say that people only retain who won, Barça loosing to Bayern with Montoya-Bartra on the pitch first CL appearences, injured Messi and no coach, who remember this ? nobody.
Last year before Valdes and Mascerano injury, Barça was top of the league and defeated a good city side, before loosing to Atleti and Madrid with Pinto as a keeper and weakned defense...
I didnt saw you giving those circumstances much importance, since Madrid was doing good and its normal, this year its the opposite but its not done yet, at least for copa and CL...

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I dont remember it, booked ? All this to say that people only retain who won, Barça loosing to Bayern with Montoya-Bartra on the pitch first CL appearences, injured Messi and no coach, who remember this ? nobody.
Last year before Valdes and Mascerano injury, Barça was top of the league and defeated a good city side, before loosing to Atleti and Madrid with Pinto as a keeper and weakned defense...
I didnt saw you giving those circumstances much important, since Madrid was doing good and its normal, this year its the opposite but its not done yet, at least for copa and CL...

raimondo90 10 years ago
Valencia, Argentina 89 2492

Dy, many of Reals injuries and poor perfromances were down to Carlo and his awful squad rotation. Like Tiki said, a team is great when the have the depth to cover key players and still perform at a great level. Real has done a terrible job at rotating especially when you consider you have 3 mids to cover for modric yet Carlo field Ramos in center mid... I think its time Casmerio gets a chance at the Real team especially with Ilarra poor perfeomance and Kehdiras imminent departure.

If i had to pick a team based on style, Id take the 2009 team. But this current team os very solid in all areas. The defence and mid seem weak but they arent. They are just outshined but an almost flawless trio of attacking players. Enrique has done a great job fixing up wholes in the defence especially set pieces. My only complain would be that Neymar needs to pass it to Suarez more. Plenty of times i see he has a great chance to assist him but he wont even attempt it and it reflects on the picture above, 0 assists from Neymar to Suarez yet Suarez has given him 8.

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decentK 10 years ago
Arsenal 38 2896

I just have to say 2009. But I truly like this trio they've got at this moment, the unselfishness between them is something special that is just simply LOVELY to watch.
That "Sharing the love" photo tells you everything, brilliant.

Great piece of topic I must say, although I didn't write too much.

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rayrex7 10 years ago
Real Madrid, Croatia 26 797

For me, the MSN is actually only "Messi". Messi is clearly the one creating the trios since 2009. plus You cant judge a Mature Messi, with an Alien Messi (73 goals) and a young Messi. Clearly You need to be more specific. Plus in 2011-2012 Pedro and Sanchez barely had any minutes to play compared to neymar and suarez this season. MSN is clearly a great trio however I'd go with the 2009 barca.

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CroatiaFan123 10 years ago
Arsenal, Croatia 66 2775

MSN is better than any attacking trio in Barcelona history (IMO), but midfield and defence could be better.

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Emrecan_58 10 years ago Edited
Besiktas 149 3375

@rayrex7

*"Messi is clearly the one creating the trios since 200*9."
That is true. Considering his level of football, we have no chance to think otherwise.

*" For me, the MSN is actually only "Messi"*. "
That is obviously wrong. Yes, it is true that Messi is the one who creates trios. But saying MSN is only Messi is unfair for Neymar or Suarez who proved their capability playing alongside Messi. Neymar and Suarez had their off form times, but still, they both have an amazing year.

*"You cant judge a Mature Messi, with an Alien Messi (73 goals) and a young Mess*i."

I think we can judge, because, Messi in his Allien time, had to deal with the problems on his own, with the midfield's help. Like you said Alexis and Pedro didn't have much time and Messi had to carry the teams attacking power at most times. Now he has his mates whose helping him to carry the load of attacking power.
And Suarez also didn't play for one and a half month at the start of the season.

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@rayrex7

*"Messi is clearly the one creating the trios since 200*9."
That is true. Considering his level of football, we have no chance to think otherwise.

*" For me, the MSN is actually only "Messi"*. "
That is obviously wrong. Yes, it is true that Messi is the one who creates trios. But saying MSN is only Messi is unfair for Neymar or Suarez who proved their capability playing alongside Messi. Neymar and Suarez had their off form times, but still, they both have an amazing year.

*"You cant judge a Mature Messi, with an Alien Messi (73 goals) and a young Mess*i."

I think we can judge, because, Messi in his Allien time, had to deal with the problems on his own with the midfield. Like you said Alexis and Pedro didn't have much time and Messi had to carry the teams attacking power at most times. Now he has his mates whose helping him to carry the load of attacking power.
And Suarez also didn't play for one and a half month at the start of the season.

rayrex7 10 years ago
Real Madrid, Croatia 26 797

@emre I see and I agree, however 1 month isn't specific. He actually only missed 5-6 games overall. Alexis and Pedro had like 15 games in the start up line. However overall I agree with you a

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Dynastian98 10 years ago
Real Madrid 483 7140

I believe that Suarez is contributing just as much as Messi at this point. Suarez is phenomenal and incredibly unselfish. Him and Messi are running their entire team right now.

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