@KTB This "new" evidence stuff is also pretty stinky to be fair, I mean, why did they need money to reveal those information, its clearly not like they were in danger for revealing information, unless the girl were the daughter of a member of a mafia. :P Also, I know you got an history with tiki but there seriously not need to bring up thing that were said before and have nothing to do with this topic. Your second point is more than enough to convince me at least. ;P

@Dynastian98 All in all, have to agree with you, we don't know enough about how she was that night to make judgement. Not that it will matter for much of the other user on this forum, for some reason, we like to act as if we know everything for some reason. :P

Here is the thing I don't get /

Drunk driver is responsible for driving drunk and will be charged with manslaughter if he gets into accident . He takes full responsibility for drinking that night then driving .

Now let's say sober person creates hazardous situation and drives into drunk driver that was following all the driving safety rules even under heavy influence of alcohol ? Whose fault is it ? Ofcourse drunk man will be always found guilty if found out he was in fact under influence of alcohol . He will take full responsibility for his actions .

So we live in society when most people usually need a drink or two to get loose and eventually have sex . Don't deny it because it is bottom line truth ! That raises a question , lets drunk person starts making sexual advances on sober person and then next morning decideds that he/she was raped because he/she was under influence of alcohol despite being Initiator of the sex with sober person , is that right ?

Being drunk just like being sober should't excuse you from responsibilities of your own actions . If you are drinking that night be an adult and think of the repercussions that it may lead to . I was once very drunk , wake up with girl on top of me , I should have probably take her to court for raping me but it would be just silly , would it be not ? Or what if a person was drunk and made heavy advances on sober person finally manipulated her/him into sexual contact or even forced himself/herself onto person , would that person be found guilty of raping sober person ? In our society , yes .

My point is You guys coming to this matter from feminist stand point and apply double standards . Apply logic and be very neutral to both genders , then it becomes clear when it is a rape and when it is not . In this case she holds full responsibility obviously she was conscious enough and remembers that evening well but i guess being gang banged by several guys left a bitter taste in her mouth maybe her friends or parents found out so why not lie and say " i was raped " to save a face of being drunk slut ? . If live in truly equal , moral and fair society then this girl should go to prison for ruining Chad Evans life . Period .

Here is the thing I don't get /

Drunk driver is responsible for driving drunk and will be charged with manslaughter if he gets into accident . He takes full responsibility for drinking that night then driving .

Now let's say sober person creates hazardous situation and drives into drunk driver that was following all the driving safety rules even under heavy influence of alcohol ? Whose fault is it ? Ofcourse drunk man will be always found guilty if found out he was in fact under influence of alcohol . He will take full responsibility for his actions just as much as sober man who created the situation if not even more in some cases if jury will believe claims of a drunk man that he was driving safely .

So we live in society when most people usually need a drink or two to get loose and eventually have sex . Don't deny it because it is bottom line truth ! That raises a question , lets drunk person starts making sexual advances on sober person and then next morning decideds that he/she was raped because he/she was under influence of alcohol despite being Initiator of the sex with sober person , is that right ?

Being drunk just like being sober should't excuse you from responsibilities of your own actions . If you are drinking that night be an adult and think of the repercussions that it may lead to . I was once very drunk , wake up with girl on top of me , I should have probably take her to court for raping me but it would be just silly , would it be not ? Or what if a person was drunk and made heavy advances on sober person finally manipulated her/him into sexual contact or even forced himself/herself onto person , would that person be found guilty of raping sober person ? In our society , yes .

My point is You guys coming to this matter from feminist stand point and apply double standards . Apply logic and be very neutral to both genders , then it becomes clear when it is a rape and when it is not . In this case she holds full responsibility obviously she was conscious enough and remembers that evening well but i guess being gang banged by several guys left a bitter taste in her mouth maybe her friends or parents found out so why not lie and say " i was raped " to save a face of being drunk slut ? . If live in truly equal , moral and fair society then this girl should go to prison for ruining Chad Evans life . Period .

Here is the thing I don't get /

Drunk driver is responsible for driving drunk and will be charged with manslaughter if he gets into accident . He takes full responsibility for drinking that night then driving .

Now let's say sober person creates hazardous situation and drives into drunk driver that was following all the driving safety rules even under heavy influence of alcohol ? Whose fault is it ? Ofcourse drunk man will be always found guilty if found out he was in fact under influence of alcohol . He will take full responsibility for his actions just as much as sober man who created the situation if not even more in some cases if jury will believe claims of a drunk man that he was driving safely .

So we live in society when most people usually need a drink or two to get loose and eventually have sex . Don't deny it because it is bottom line truth ! That raises a question , lets say drunk person starts making sexual advances on sober person and then next morning decideds that he/she was raped because he/she was under influence of alcohol despite being Initiator of the sex with sober person , is that right ?

Being drunk just like being sober should't excuse you from responsibilities of your own actions . If you are drinking that night be an adult and think of the repercussions that it may lead to . I was once very drunk , wake up with girl on top of me , I should have probably take her to court for raping me but it would be just silly , would it be not ? Or what if a person was drunk and made heavy advances on sober person finally manipulated her/him into sexual contact or even forced himself/herself onto person , would that person be found guilty of raping sober person ? In our society , yes .

My point is You guys coming to this matter from feminist stand point and apply double standards . Apply logic and be very neutral to both genders , then it becomes clear when it is a rape and when it is not . In this case she holds full responsibility obviously she was conscious enough and remembers that evening well but i guess being gang banged by several guys left a bitter taste in her mouth maybe her friends or parents found out so why not lie and say " i was raped " to save a face of being drunk slut ? . If live in truly equal , moral and fair society then this girl should go to prison for ruining Chad Evans life . Period .

P.s.

Very unpopular opinion , but if you are drinking , you should be fully responsible for yourself . I have two rules , I never drink in the company of people I don't know . And I man who can fully stand up for myself . If I do drink I always make sure that someone will take care of me or I will be safe drinking . It is called being smart adult not a drunken fool !