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Arsenal vs Chelsea preview : Key battle area
Marcus2011 10 years ago Edited
Chelsea FC, England 277 6501

This is one of the easier games. Spot the odd one out from last
season's top seven. It is Arsenal. It often is. Defiantly different in much
they do, the Gunners are alone in opting not to buy a defensive midfielder in

  1. Indeed, only they and Chelsea did not recruit someone to protect the back
    four over the summer, and that was because Jose Mourinho had pre-empted his
    rivals.

While Manchester City plumped for Fernando, Liverpool brought in
Emre Can, Everton added Gareth Barry and Muhamed Besic, Spurs signed Benjamin
Stambouli and Manchester United went for Daley Blind, the Portuguese had
already purchased Nemanja Matic in January. He ranks as the most expensive and,
arguably, the most important of the 2014 influx of midfield sentries.

Both as a player and as an emblem of contrasting policies, he
will be particularly pertinent on Sunday. Chelsea against Arsenal is Mourinho
against Arsene Wenger. It is also Matic against Mathieu Flamini, 21
million-pound rock versus free-transfer understudy. And from an Arsenal
perspective, even that may be better than Mikel Arteta facing Matic. The
injured captain's weaknesses tend to be most apparent in such fixtures. So,
too, Arsenal's shortcomings, when attacking midfielders and attack-minded
full-backs, contrive to leave the centre-backs with only a slow passer for
support.

This weekend, they go to Stamford Bridge, scene of one of three
historic humblings last season. They conceded 17 goals on their visits to City,
Liverpool and Chelsea, the trio of teams who finished above them. Had they
taken seven points instead, they would have been champions. In contrast,
Chelsea have visited the Etihad Stadium twice and Anfield once in the league
with Matic in the midfield and only conceded once. The numbers alone amount to
an advertisement for the professional defensive midfielder.

In Arteta's defence, he merits sympathy -- his defensive
deficiencies were not exposed in David Moyes' more organised, less ambitious
Everton side -- and requires more assistance from others. Failings are often
tactical as much as individual and a focus on him can personify the problems.
In any case, he missed the 6-3 thrashing at the Etihad Stadium. But as he
scored an own goal in a 3-0 defeat at Goodison Park, he was troubled on his
travels to top teams. If Arsenal endured an unfortunate hat trick on their
visits to the finest English teams, Arteta almost recorded a treble of his own
in Europe.

He was sent off at Napoli, cautioned and fortunate to escape
other dismissals against Borussia Dortmund and Bayern Munich. Over the three
games, he committed at least six bookable offences. A determined player who
lacked the attributes and ability to cope in such tests. City won the title
without employing a specialist defensive midfielder but Fernando's arrival
indicates they recognised they needed one, both for defining away games and
Champions League matches.

And Arteta highlights the difference between deep-lying and
defensive midfielders. A possession game requires a distributor, and a
counterattacking -- or even just negative -- strategy necessitates a nullifier.
The best, of course, can combine the two roles, and Matic has an 87 percent
pass completion rate, two goals and an assist already this season.

Perhaps more significantly, he also presents a huge barrier in
front of the central defenders, standing 16cm (6 inches) taller than Flamini
and towering 18cm (7 inches) above Arteta. In stature, as in ethos, Chelsea and
Arsenal represent opposites. Mourinho has focused on the spine of side in his
2014 transfer business; Wenger could line up with his two biggest buys, Mesut
Ozil and Alexis Sanchez, on the flanks.

Indeed, Matic was Chelsea's biggest January buy. Mourinho
prioritised his re-signing despite a more pressing need for a striker (and
because he planned to bring Diego Costa in over the close season). Wenger has
not paid a penny for anyone to anchor the midfield since Arteta's 2011 arrival.
Since the Spaniard joined, too, Wenger has paid more than 100 million pounds
for a quartet to occupy the more attacking positions in his midfield: Lukas
Podolski, Santi Cazorla, Ozil and Sanchez.

If Arteta is disqualified -- on the grounds that, unlike
Flamini, he is not really a defensive midfielder at all -- then the last to command
a fee was actually purchased from Chelsea: Lassana Diarra, a 2007 arrival who
was only granted four league starts by Wenger. Not since Gilberto Silva arrived
in 2002 has a defensive midfielder been Arsenal's biggest purchase of a window
and the Brazilian lost his place because his passing was not deemed sharp
enough, rather than because of any failings as a ball-winner.

It marked a change in emphasis. Once Arsenal had the strapping
6-footers in the centre of the pitch; once their centre-backs were the envy of
their equivalents elsewhere because of the protection they were afforded. The
change from destructive to constructive players should not obscure the reality
that arguably the Premier League's greatest defensive-midfield duo were pillars
of Wenger's first title-winning team: Emmanuel Petit and Patrick Vieira, one a
player he had managed at Monaco and another whom he signed before his own
appointment at Highbury was ratified.

Yet perhaps the division's most influential defensive midfielder
plied his trade for Mourinho. He inherited Claude Makelele from Claudio
Ranieri, but the former Real Madrid man proved perfect for the Portuguese.
Unlike the all-action Vieira, Chelsea's Frenchman was an anchorman. It was
imitated so much that "the Makelele role" entered the footballing
lexicon. No one ever talks about "the Vieira role."

As tactics changed, as midfields became two-tiered in 4-2-3-1
and 4-1-4-1 formations, the Vieira-esque box-to-box player became a rarity, his
duties divided between more attack-minded, creative footballers and the
policemen parked in front of the back four. Wenger stopped spending on them,
focusing on the forward-thinking players. It may have marked the point when
purist principles held sway over pragmatic instincts. It exacerbated his
already considerable differences with his Chelsea counterpart. But while Cesc
Fabregas, who has played for both managers, will be the focus of attention on
Sunday, Matic is the midfielder who illustrates that Wenger and Mourinho are
poles apart in their thinking.

Source ESP sports .

Your predictions for this week ? And what will be key battles in this match ?

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This is one of the easier games. Spot the odd one out from last
season's top seven. It is Arsenal. It often is. Defiantly different in much
they do, the Gunners are alone in opting not to buy a defensive midfielder in

  1. Indeed, only they and Chelsea did not recruit someone to protect the back
    four over the summer, and that was because Jose Mourinho had pre-empted his
    rivals.

While Manchester City plumped for Fernando, Liverpool brought in
Emre Can, Everton added Gareth Barry and Muhamed Besic, Spurs signed Benjamin
Stambouli and Manchester United went for Daley Blind, the Portuguese had
already purchased Nemanja Matic in January. He ranks as the most expensive and,
arguably, the most important of the 2014 influx of midfield sentries.

Both as a player and as an emblem of contrasting policies, he
will be particularly pertinent on Sunday. Chelsea against Arsenal is Mourinho
against Arsene Wenger. It is also Matic against Mathieu Flamini, 21
million-pound rock versus free-transfer understudy. And from an Arsenal
perspective, even that may be better than Mikel Arteta facing Matic. The
injured captain's weaknesses tend to be most apparent in such fixtures. So,
too, Arsenal's shortcomings, when attacking midfielders and attack-minded
full-backs, contrive to leave the centre-backs with only a slow passer for
support.

This weekend, they go to Stamford Bridge, scene of one of three
historic humblings last season. They conceded 17 goals on their visits to City,
Liverpool and Chelsea, the trio of teams who finished above them. Had they
taken seven points instead, they would have been champions. In contrast,
Chelsea have visited the Etihad Stadium twice and Anfield once in the league
with Matic in the midfield and only conceded once. The numbers alone amount to
an advertisement for the professional defensive midfielder.

In Arteta's defence, he merits sympathy -- his defensive
deficiencies were not exposed in David Moyes' more organised, less ambitious
Everton side -- and requires more assistance from others. Failings are often
tactical as much as individual and a focus on him can personify the problems.
In any case, he missed the 6-3 thrashing at the Etihad Stadium. But as he
scored an own goal in a 3-0 defeat at Goodison Park, he was troubled on his
travels to top teams. If Arsenal endured an unfortunate hat trick on their
visits to the finest English teams, Arteta almost recorded a treble of his own
in Europe.

He was sent off at Napoli, cautioned and fortunate to escape
other dismissals against Borussia Dortmund and Bayern Munich. Over the three
games, he committed at least six bookable offences. A determined player who
lacked the attributes and ability to cope in such tests. City won the title
without employing a specialist defensive midfielder but Fernando's arrival
indicates they recognised they needed one, both for defining away games and
Champions League matches.

And Arteta highlights the difference between deep-lying and
defensive midfielders. A possession game requires a distributor, and a
counterattacking -- or even just negative -- strategy necessitates a nullifier.
The best, of course, can combine the two roles, and Matic has an 87 percent
pass completion rate, two goals and an assist already this season.

Perhaps more significantly, he also presents a huge barrier in
front of the central defenders, standing 16cm (6 inches) taller than Flamini
and towering 18cm (7 inches) above Arteta. In stature, as in ethos, Chelsea and
Arsenal represent opposites. Mourinho has focused on the spine of side in his
2014 transfer business; Wenger could line up with his two biggest buys, Mesut
Ozil and Alexis Sanchez, on the flanks.

Indeed, Matic was Chelsea's biggest January buy. Mourinho
prioritised his re-signing despite a more pressing need for a striker (and
because he planned to bring Diego Costa in over the close season). Wenger has
not paid a penny for anyone to anchor the midfield since Arteta's 2011 arrival.
Since the Spaniard joined, too, Wenger has paid more than 100 million pounds
for a quartet to occupy the more attacking positions in his midfield: Lukas
Podolski, Santi Cazorla, Ozil and Sanchez.

If Arteta is disqualified -- on the grounds that, unlike
Flamini, he is not really a defensive midfielder at all -- then the last to command
a fee was actually purchased from Chelsea: Lassana Diarra, a 2007 arrival who
was only granted four league starts by Wenger. Not since Gilberto Silva arrived
in 2002 has a defensive midfielder been Arsenal's biggest purchase of a window
and the Brazilian lost his place because his passing was not deemed sharp
enough, rather than because of any failings as a ball-winner.

It marked a change in emphasis. Once Arsenal had the strapping
6-footers in the centre of the pitch; once their centre-backs were the envy of
their equivalents elsewhere because of the protection they were afforded. The
change from destructive to constructive players should not obscure the reality
that arguably the Premier League's greatest defensive-midfield duo were pillars
of Wenger's first title-winning team: Emmanuel Petit and Patrick Vieira, one a
player he had managed at Monaco and another whom he signed before his own
appointment at Highbury was ratified.

Yet perhaps the division's most influential defensive midfielder
plied his trade for Mourinho. He inherited Claude Makelele from Claudio
Ranieri, but the former Real Madrid man proved perfect for the Portuguese.
Unlike the all-action Vieira, Chelsea's Frenchman was an anchorman. It was
imitated so much that "the Makelele role" entered the footballing
lexicon. No one ever talks about "the Vieira role."

As tactics changed, as midfields became two-tiered in 4-2-3-1
and 4-1-4-1 formations, the Vieira-esque box-to-box player became a rarity, his
duties divided between more attack-minded, creative footballers and the
policemen parked in front of the back four. Wenger stopped spending on them,
focusing on the forward-thinking players. It may have marked the point when
purist principles held sway over pragmatic instincts. It exacerbated his
already considerable differences with his Chelsea counterpart. But while Cesc
Fabregas, who has played for both managers, will be the focus of attention on
Sunday, Matic is the midfielder who illustrates that Wenger and Mourinho are
poles apart in their thinking.

This is one of the easier games. Spot the odd one out from last
season's top seven. It is Arsenal. It often is. Defiantly different in much
they do, the Gunners are alone in opting not to buy a defensive midfielder in

  1. Indeed, only they and Chelsea did not recruit someone to protect the back
    four over the summer, and that was because Jose Mourinho had pre-empted his
    rivals.

While Manchester City plumped for Fernando, Liverpool brought in
Emre Can, Everton added Gareth Barry and Muhamed Besic, Spurs signed Benjamin
Stambouli and Manchester United went for Daley Blind, the Portuguese had
already purchased Nemanja Matic in January. He ranks as the most expensive and,
arguably, the most important of the 2014 influx of midfield sentries.

Both as a player and as an emblem of contrasting policies, he
will be particularly pertinent on Sunday. Chelsea against Arsenal is Mourinho
against Arsene Wenger. It is also Matic against Mathieu Flamini, 21
million-pound rock versus free-transfer understudy. And from an Arsenal
perspective, even that may be better than Mikel Arteta facing Matic. The
injured captain's weaknesses tend to be most apparent in such fixtures. So,
too, Arsenal's shortcomings, when attacking midfielders and attack-minded
full-backs, contrive to leave the centre-backs with only a slow passer for
support.

This weekend, they go to Stamford Bridge, scene of one of three
historic humblings last season. They conceded 17 goals on their visits to City,
Liverpool and Chelsea, the trio of teams who finished above them. Had they
taken seven points instead, they would have been champions. In contrast,
Chelsea have visited the Etihad Stadium twice and Anfield once in the league
with Matic in the midfield and only conceded once. The numbers alone amount to
an advertisement for the professional defensive midfielder.

In Arteta's defence, he merits sympathy -- his defensive
deficiencies were not exposed in David Moyes' more organised, less ambitious
Everton side -- and requires more assistance from others. Failings are often
tactical as much as individual and a focus on him can personify the problems.
In any case, he missed the 6-3 thrashing at the Etihad Stadium. But as he
scored an own goal in a 3-0 defeat at Goodison Park, he was troubled on his
travels to top teams. If Arsenal endured an unfortunate hat trick on their
visits to the finest English teams, Arteta almost recorded a treble of his own
in Europe.

He was sent off at Napoli, cautioned and fortunate to escape
other dismissals against Borussia Dortmund and Bayern Munich. Over the three
games, he committed at least six bookable offences. A determined player who
lacked the attributes and ability to cope in such tests. City won the title
without employing a specialist defensive midfielder but Fernando's arrival
indicates they recognised they needed one, both for defining away games and
Champions League matches.

And Arteta highlights the difference between deep-lying and
defensive midfielders. A possession game requires a distributor, and a
counterattacking -- or even just negative -- strategy necessitates a nullifier.
The best, of course, can combine the two roles, and Matic has an 87 percent
pass completion rate, two goals and an assist already this season.

Perhaps more significantly, he also presents a huge barrier in
front of the central defenders, standing 16cm (6 inches) taller than Flamini
and towering 18cm (7 inches) above Arteta. In stature, as in ethos, Chelsea and
Arsenal represent opposites. Mourinho has focused on the spine of side in his
2014 transfer business; Wenger could line up with his two biggest buys, Mesut
Ozil and Alexis Sanchez, on the flanks.

Indeed, Matic was Chelsea's biggest January buy. Mourinho
prioritised his re-signing despite a more pressing need for a striker (and
because he planned to bring Diego Costa in over the close season). Wenger has
not paid a penny for anyone to anchor the midfield since Arteta's 2011 arrival.
Since the Spaniard joined, too, Wenger has paid more than 100 million pounds
for a quartet to occupy the more attacking positions in his midfield: Lukas
Podolski, Santi Cazorla, Ozil and Sanchez.

If Arteta is disqualified -- on the grounds that, unlike
Flamini, he is not really a defensive midfielder at all -- then the last to command
a fee was actually purchased from Chelsea: Lassana Diarra, a 2007 arrival who
was only granted four league starts by Wenger. Not since Gilberto Silva arrived
in 2002 has a defensive midfielder been Arsenal's biggest purchase of a window
and the Brazilian lost his place because his passing was not deemed sharp
enough, rather than because of any failings as a ball-winner.

It marked a change in emphasis. Once Arsenal had the strapping
6-footers in the centre of the pitch; once their centre-backs were the envy of
their equivalents elsewhere because of the protection they were afforded. The
change from destructive to constructive players should not obscure the reality
that arguably the Premier League's greatest defensive-midfield duo were pillars
of Wenger's first title-winning team: Emmanuel Petit and Patrick Vieira, one a
player he had managed at Monaco and another whom he signed before his own
appointment at Highbury was ratified.

Yet perhaps the division's most influential defensive midfielder
plied his trade for Mourinho. He inherited Claude Makelele from Claudio
Ranieri, but the former Real Madrid man proved perfect for the Portuguese.
Unlike the all-action Vieira, Chelsea's Frenchman was an anchorman. It was
imitated so much that "the Makelele role" entered the footballing
lexicon. No one ever talks about "the Vieira role."

As tactics changed, as midfields became two-tiered in 4-2-3-1
and 4-1-4-1 formations, the Vieira-esque box-to-box player became a rarity, his
duties divided between more attack-minded, creative footballers and the
policemen parked in front of the back four. Wenger stopped spending on them,
focusing on the forward-thinking players. It may have marked the point when
purist principles held sway over pragmatic instincts. It exacerbated his
already considerable differences with his Chelsea counterpart. But while Cesc
Fabregas, who has played for both managers, will be the focus of attention on
Sunday, Matic is the midfielder who illustrates that Wenger and Mourinho are
poles apart in their thinking.

Comments
Marcus2011 10 years ago
Chelsea FC, England 277 6501

Sorry guys , but when your team has 0 shots on target there is literally not much to complain about .

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Dynastian98 10 years ago
Real Madrid 483 7140

@Marcus is right. Arsenal were well and truly outclassed.

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tiki_taka 10 years ago
Barcelona, France 367 9768

@Alex haha i can send you some :) i had the feeling that there was no risk in this game.

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quikzyyy 10 years ago
Arsenal 429 9010

If your team is denied clean penalty there is really nothing to complain about. Chelsea was better, deserved the win, I totally agree, but you can't say we had denied penalty.

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KingHenry 10 years ago
Arsenal, France 44 1362

Dynastian really can't stand us.

Chelsea are better, simple as that. But this time we gave a fight. Nothing camparable to last season. Wenger got his shit together, and until the second goal we were totally in the game. I'm confident we can beat you at home.

And arsene pushing mourinho around. What a sight !! I would enjoy seeing many people pushing mourinho around. But out of all these people, wenger would be my first choice. Of course it's against the rules and he could have been sent off. But man this feels so right. B E A U T I F U L !!!

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Marcus2011 10 years ago Edited
Chelsea FC, England 277 6501

Yes , denied penalty, but I don't agree with it ( personal opinion ) . I don't like when players are given such penalties because he had little time to take his hands away and shot was very up close .

my bad wrong

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Yes , denied penalty, but I agree with it ( personal opinion ) . I don't like when players are given such penalties because he had little time to take his hands away and shot was very close .

I think what you need to look at is that Arsene Wenger after succesful midweek game playing Ozil in CAM , decided to put him back on the wing !! IT MUST BE SO FRUSTRATING TO BE ARSENAL FAN , because i was happy and the same time felt frustrated to see Ozil on the wing again . Why is Wenger so reluctant ....? I always admired Wenger , but I think he is finally hitting those years when manager simply runs out of creative tactics . ( And playing Ozil in right place is by far most obvious one )

Yes , denied penalty, but I don't agree with it ( personal opinion ) . I don't like when players are given such penalties because he had little time to take his hands away and shot was very close .

I think what you need to look at is that Arsene Wenger after succesful midweek game playing Ozil in CAM , decided to put him back on the wing !! IT MUST BE SO FRUSTRATING TO BE ARSENAL FAN , because i was happy and the same time felt frustrated to see Ozil on the wing again . Why is Wenger so reluctant ....? I always admired Wenger , but I think he is finally hitting those years when manager simply runs out of creative tactics . ( And playing Ozil in right place is by far most obvious one )

Yes , denied penalty, but I don't agree with it ( personal opinion ) . I don't like when players are given such penalties because he had little time to take his hands away and shot was very up close .

I think what you need to look at is that Arsene Wenger after succesful midweek game playing Ozil in CAM , decided to put him back on the wing !! IT MUST BE SO FRUSTRATING TO BE ARSENAL FAN , because i was happy and the same time felt frustrated to see Ozil on the wing again . Why is Wenger so reluctant ....? I always admired Wenger , but I think he is finally hitting those years when manager simply runs out of creative tactics . ( And playing Ozil in right place is by far most obvious one )

KingHenry 10 years ago
Arsenal, France 44 1362

@marcus the ref was awful. Cahill, Koscielny, Welbeck should have all been sent off. And probably one of Ivanovic and Oscar for comitting about 14 fouls.

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Dynastian98 10 years ago
Real Madrid 483 7140

@KingHenry

I'm sorry, I can't stand you? I'm stating the truth. Arsenal aren't a good team, simple as that. They've won 2 out of their first 7 EPL matches. They've barely managed to outscore Diego Costa as a team (11 goals to Costa's 9), and barely scraped past Besiktas in the Champions League. Your team is nothing compared to Chelsea. I'm not saying this to piss you off or to kiss Mourinho's ass, this is just how I see things.

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Marcus2011 10 years ago
Chelsea FC, England 277 6501

It seemed to me that Ozil still was shifting down to left because Cazorla was occupying CAM constantly .

I will be little biased here not because i am chelsea fan but because i honestly did not see anything wrong those challenges.

I think the game was rough and that is what EPL about . Cahil 50/50 , tackle was worthy of yellow IMO . It was reckless , but not sure enough of red.

Ivanovic and Oscar played rough as well and got their yellows respectively . You being oversensitive . You are like a football liberal advocating for softer non contact game.

Koscielny case was 50/50 to me . He got yellow and it was enough for me .

Welbeck case was completely reckless and according to football law any challenge with two straight legs forward is automatic red .

You being oversensitive on some tackles just like many members here on this forum . You are like a football liberals advocating for softer non contact game. Mi no gusto . I like my football rough , with drama and passion .

Here this one also deserves attention

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KingHenry 10 years ago
Arsenal, France 44 1362

Cahill's challenge was far worse than welbeck's. I like my football rough too. I like challenges. But leg breaking challenges no gusto. That is dangerous and a red card. No doubt.

Here's welbeck's tackle. Should be a red too, but in this particular event, far less dangerous.

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Marcus2011 10 years ago
Chelsea FC, England 277 6501

It is two leg challenge . Simple rule . Does not matter if it got him badly or not .

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quikzyyy 10 years ago
Arsenal 429 9010

Both fouls are red cards. The only difference is Welbeck fouled him because probably he was frustrated, while Cahill why? Did Mourinho told him to hold Alexis "tight" ?

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Zakzook 10 years ago Edited
Arsenal, Syria 32 785

Welbeck should have gotten a red for a two legged challenge although he was very close to getting the ball ( it doesn't matter even if you get it it's a red). However, at least Welbeck was actually going for the ball. Cahill's challenge reminds me of Stoke, he is not even trying to get anywhere near the ball. It's completely ridiculous that he got away with only a booking... it reminded me of Manchester united around 2004~2006 where they tried to injure our players openly in games...

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Welbeck should have gotten a red for a two legged challenge although he was very close to getting the ball ( it doesn't matter even if you get it it's a red). However, at least Welbeck was actually going for the ball. Cahill's challenge reminds me of Stoke, he is not even trying to get anywhere near the ball. It's completely ridiculous that he got away with no booking or anything... it reminded me of Manchester united around 2004~2006 where they tried to injure our players openly in games...

seymorebutts_66 10 years ago
Bayern Munich, Germany 10 422

10 points to Hazards triple twist with half pike in the box!

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iamRDM 10 years ago
Chelsea FC, England 32 202

i like your name seymorebutts_66, its like saying see more butts sexy. anyway, happy with the win, now we are the only club unbeaten in the EPL, although its hard to stay unbeaten for the whole season, i hope we can do it.

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Jimbet 10 years ago
Arsenal, Malaysia 12 1292

Move on guys. ref made some bad calls. the point is we lost and chelsea won. Chelsea is by far the most superior team in EPL right now. they got good squad plus great manager. it's not a suprise as i know we cant win but the very least is it's not a rape fiesta like last season thrashing. it's a nice game with both team trying so hard to get the win. We did good but it's just not enough against a strong chelsea team. Luck is not on our side as we are doomed with injury plague. Let's hope for a comeback in the EPL and prove that EPL is the most competitive in Europe. it's too early to predict anything so all top teams in EPL have the chance to rise up to the top. I wish good luck to all Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, Manchester United, Liverpool, Manchester city and Tottenham Hotspur fans. May the best team triumph.

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CroatiaFan123 10 years ago
Arsenal, Croatia 66 2775

@iamRDM Chelsea for now really did well,but whole season without of defeats look crazy.I don't know did it even happened EVER.

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quikzyyy 10 years ago
Arsenal 429 9010

@CroatiaFan123 Scary is if you look at Chelsea team now they CAN do it, but really hope they won't.

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man_utd 10 years ago
Manchester United, South Korea 91 1444

Biggest Battle of the match was the Mourinho - Wenger showdown.

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expertfootball11 10 years ago
Real Madrid, France 64 2837

Watching old men beat each other...how sad.

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