manchesterutI
10 years ago
I hope he stays until he's 80 so Arsenal can stay trophyless for 15 more years XD.
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manchesterutI
10 years ago
I hope he stays until he's 80 so Arsenal can stay trophyless for 15 more years XD.
Tuanis
10 years ago
The EPL is a very competitive league. As far as last season Wenger had done a decent job maintaining Arsenal in the top 4. Arsenal fans are asking to much, for a team who is not known to spend a ton of money in players asking your manager to end top 4 every single season or even better I considere it much. We know that if he is given a team like the one he had on 2004 he can do amazing stuff. Im calling this in every Arsen Wenger thread ever created, when you finally decide to sack him it will be your doom and you will understand how much he actually did for the club.
He is not to blame for Arsenal's current form, you have good players but you need top class players for a top spot in the the league while at the same time expecting a reasonably good UCL performance.
I dont know what Arsenal fans expect him to do, he has been doing just fine. Or is it just me who defends him and wants him to stay?
tiki_taka
10 years ago
Diego Simeone or nothing imo.
quikzyyy
10 years ago
Edited
Because for recent years Wenger was totally OKAY with 4th place, which means nothing, just money for qualifying to UCL. And in last years he always go with same tactic, nothing new, every opponent knows how we are going to play. Sometimes it's working but mostly not, this is not the same Arsenal which used to play amazing fast-attacking football. Instead of that last 2 years we are still playing the same, slow-build up, millions of useless passes, without any proper striker and without proper defence, playing midfielders out of their position. Then somehow in every transfer window everyone is healthy, and Wengers says "We have enough depth, we have Diaby back, it's like a new signing". 1 month later 10 players injured, and all over again.
EDIT: I'm not going to say Wenger out but he needs to wake up and realise the football has changed since 03-04 season.
Because for recent years Wenger was totally OKAY with 4th place, which means nothing, just money for qualifying to UCL. And in last years he always go with same tactic, nothing new, every opponent knows how we are going to play. Sometimes it's working but mostly not, this is not the same Arsenal which used to play amazing fast-attacking football. Instead of that last 2 years we are still playing the same, slow-build up, millions of useless passes, without any proper striker and without proper defence, playing midfielders out of their position. Then somehow in every transfer window everyone is healthy, and Wengers says "We have enough depth, we have Diaby back, it's like a new signing". 1 month later 10 players injured, and all over again.
TheGame
10 years ago
Edited
I've said this in the past, but I genuinely believe that Wenger is the best manager in the PL since SAF left. He plays with a certain philosophy intended to attack and entertain. That doesn't mean it is a winning strategy. But it is a pro-football strategy which everyone should admire. Isn't that what football is all about? No other manager could do with a strict budget what Arsene Wenger has accomplished during his tenure. He needs to be respected rather than completely villainized by the Arsenal supporters at every opportunity they get. @quikzyyy, he might have been okay with 4th place, but do you honestly think that was his aim? Because last year, at this very time, Arsenal were 4 points clear at the top.
I've said this in the past, but I really believe that Wenger is the best manager in the PL since SAF left. He plays with a certain philosophy intended to attack and entertain. That doesn't mean it is a winning strategy. But it is a pro-football strategy which everyone should admire. Isn't that what football is all about? No other manager could do with a strict budget what Arsene Wenger has accomplished during his tenure. He needs to be respected rather than completely villainized by the Arsenal supporters at every opportunity they get. @quikzyyy, he might have been okay with 4th place, but do you honestly think that was his aimm?
I've said this in the past, but I genuinely believe that Wenger is the best manager in the PL since SAF left. He plays with a certain philosophy intended to attack and entertain. That doesn't mean it is a winning strategy. But it is a pro-football strategy which everyone should admire. Isn't that what football is all about? No other manager could do with a strict budget what Arsene Wenger has accomplished during his tenure. He needs to be respected rather than completely villainized by the Arsenal supporters at every opportunity they get. @quikzyyy, he might have been okay with 4th place, but do you honestly think that was his aim?
quikzyyy
10 years ago
We respect him for he has done, but nowadays he needs to work on on tactics, cause we are still playing the same again and again, but it's not working. We are not Bayern, we are not Barcelona. There were 2 things which cost us title last year in my opinion. It started with 1:1 draw with Everton, I believe that match was crucial for our season (Arsenal fans probably still remember that Giroud last second shot to bar). 2nd was loosing too much points against Chelsea, United, Man City, and overall matches against teams from top 5.
decentK
10 years ago
If he fixes three things, I'd love to see him here.
1) Naive tactics (you all know what I'm talking about) (good signs against BVB & WBA though)
2) Injuries, everyone knows that the amount of injuries we have isn't coincindence & that's a fact. It's down to Wenger's rotation & training methods.
3) Strenghtening the right areas in transfer windows. Last year Arsenal lost the title because of Wenger's stupidicy in August & January. Last summer, Arsenal needed 2-3 (cdm, cb) more signings to even have complete squad.
I love the guy too much, eventhough he's so naive & stupid at times. The best solution would be keeping Wenger and him to follow my advice (^)
Anyways, if he goes sometime - here are my candidates
1) Klopp
2) Guardiola
3) Henry, along with Bergkamp & Adams in the coaching staff (in future)
Jimbet
10 years ago
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like quikzyyy said. wenger just need to realize football have gone through a change. especially in terms of money. im glad to have Wenger as a manager. he just need to sort out his tactical and strategy approach each and every game. and if he goes, i would like either number 1 or 3 of decentK choices. COYG
like quikzyyy said. wenger just need to realize football have gone through a change. especially in terms of money. im glad to have Wenger as a manger. he just need to sort out his tactical and strategy approach each and every game. and if he goes, i would like either number 1 or 3 of decentK choices. COYG
Lodatz
10 years ago
Edited
@TheGame:
I agree with your point about his philosophy being something to admire, but only to a certain extent. Yes, we all can see and respect the free-flowing attacking style that he has stuck with for so many years, just like we can see it and respect it from teams all around Europe (Spanish clubs especially).
BUT
That doesn't mean that it shouldn't be criticized, because if it doesn't WORK, then it's not half as admirable as you think. It's stubborn, instead, and that holds the club (and the fans who support it) back.
Which is more admirable: playing pretty football that gets beaten by the Big Boys, or the effectiveness of those Big Boys themselves? There is beauty in many types of football, including the teams who take only one efficient touch instead of three really pretty ones. Prettiness is not everything, and in fact, Arsenal's most successful team under Wenger (indeed, ever) did not focus on prettiness above all else. The Invincibles were ruthlessly efficient with the ball. Henry didn't need 8 touches to get him past defenders; he just did one or two and then smacked it into the far corner of the goal.
Because he COULD. As good as he is, Sanchez can't match that, even though his passing and touch are arguably better than Henry's was.
This is what I think is the ultimate downfall of Wenger: he's gone for the dainty, super-technical players that can play with intelligence and skill, etc, but he's lost all his true ATHLETES at the same time. This is why Arsenal kept getting destroyed by Chelsea, year after year, who had stronger, tougher players (with just as much skill).
He's got no Henry. No Vieira. No Ljundberg, Pires, Campbell, Adams, Cole or Lauren. Players who can take punishment, dig deep, and fight the other team muscle for muscle, in the league.
So, while his team is prettier than it used to be, it's ultimately less effective, and less successful as a result.
And that's really NOT something to respect. Or, at least, it's not something which shouldn't be criticized by the Arsenal fans who want to see better results.
@TheGame:
I agree with your point about his philosophy being something to admire, but only to a certain extent. Yes, we all can see and respect the free-flowing attacking style that he has stuck with for so many years, just like we can see it and respect it from teams all around Europe (Spanish clubs especially).
BUT
That doesn't mean that it shouldn't be criticized, because if it doesn't WORK, then it's not half as admirable as you think. It's stubborn, instead, and that holds the club (and the fans who support it) back.
Which is more admirable: playing pretty football that gets beaten by the Big Boys, or the effectiveness of those Big Boys themselves? There is beauty in many types of football, including the teams who take only one efficient touch instead of three really pretty ones. Prettiness is not everything, and in fact, Arsenal's most successful team under Wenger (indeed, ever) did not focus on prettiness above all else. The Invincibles were ruthlessly efficient with the ball. Henry didn't need 8 touches to get him past defenders; he just did one or two and then smacked it into the far corner of the goal.
Because he COULD.
This is what I think is the ultimate downfall of Wenger: he's gone for the dainty, super-technical players that can play with intelligence and skill, etc, but he's lost all his true ATHLETES at the same time. This is why Arsenal kept getting destroyed by Chelsea, year after year, who had stronger, tougher players (with just as much skill).
He's got no Henry. No Vieira. No Ljundberg, Pires, Campbell, Adams, Cole or Lauren. Players who can take punishment, dig deep, and fight the other team muscle for muscle, in the league.
So, while his team is prettier than it used to be, it's ultimately less effective,m and less successful as a result.
And that's really NOT as admirable as some might think.
@TheGame:
I agree with your point about his philosophy being something to admire, but only to a certain extent. Yes, we all can see and respect the free-flowing attacking style that he has stuck with for so many years, just like we can see it and respect it from teams all around Europe (Spanish clubs especially).
BUT
That doesn't mean that it shouldn't be criticized, because if it doesn't WORK, then it's not half as admirable as you think. It's stubborn, instead, and that holds the club (and the fans who support it) back.
Which is more admirable: playing pretty football that gets beaten by the Big Boys, or the effectiveness of those Big Boys themselves? There is beauty in many types of football, including the teams who take only one efficient touch instead of three really pretty ones. Prettiness is not everything, and in fact, Arsenal's most successful team under Wenger (indeed, ever) did not focus on prettiness above all else. The Invincibles were ruthlessly efficient with the ball. Henry didn't need 8 touches to get him past defenders; he just did one or two and then smacked it into the far corner of the goal.
Because he COULD.
This is what I think is the ultimate downfall of Wenger: he's gone for the dainty, super-technical players that can play with intelligence and skill, etc, but he's lost all his true ATHLETES at the same time. This is why Arsenal kept getting destroyed by Chelsea, year after year, who had stronger, tougher players (with just as much skill).
He's got no Henry. No Vieira. No Ljundberg, Pires, Campbell, Adams, Cole or Lauren. Players who can take punishment, dig deep, and fight the other team muscle for muscle, in the league.
So, while his team is prettier than it used to be, it's ultimately less effective, and less successful as a result.
And that's really NOT something to respect. Or, at least, it's not something which shouldn't be criticized by the Arsenal fans who want to see better results.
ashwin1729
10 years ago
Yes, everyone is right that Wenger has horrible tactics, but how many of those said big games in the past did he have his full starting XI. As far as I could remember for the last 2-3 years, his teams were always injury stricken for big games, and the players who would normally sub in started...thats a big difference. Can any one confirm this?
To all Arsenal fans calling for Klopp: Klopp doesn't and will not park the bus. He is just like Wenger in that he will no compromise his philosophy for whatever reason. So be careful what you wish for.
tiki_taka
10 years ago
I believe the first thing to be blamed here is the direction policy all these years, they werent signing the right players to win a league and for a couple of years their best player went playing for a direct rival, and it affected mentally the squad and the dressing room.
Henry left but RVP was knocking in the door, fine. RVP sold and cheap replaced, the players are feeling this and that lead to departure of another one,and so on.
At the opposite other teams are having their squads untouched and get strong reinforcement, competing for the league was a hard task in those conditions without mentionning their odd injury curse issue.
The Highbury stadium was one of my best stadiums, very specific and suited Arsenal way of playing due to his small surface, and the fans were closer to players.
The transfer windows have been another issue and thats what Wenger needs to improve, despite making some brilliant signings he should have done some sacrifices buying expensive ( When an expensive player costed 35-40M, now the price have doubled ).
A team can need 2-3 years of building, you cant build if you have diferent starting XI each year, you can do well but not win the league, the chemistry should be made before.
Dortmund is a good example of what can arrive when each year, your best player goes to your direct rival, they lost Gotze and Lewa to Bayern and got replaced with good players but not as good, and they seem to live it worst than Arsenal.
A change in the dynamic of Arsenal has been made since Ozil transfer, they didnt lose their key players but got them all injured, they need a drastic change even if Wenger is Wenger.
A new project with a new coach would help the team to get out of this routine and curses, Diego Simeone or Rudi Garcia could be what they need at the moment, discipline, stability and commitment.
TheGame
10 years ago
@Lodatz, I agree with almost everything you wrote. You made a very interesting point: "He's got no Henry. No Vieira. No Ljundberg, Pires, Campbell, Adams, Cole or Lauren. Players who can take punishment, dig deep, and fight the other team muscle for muscle, in the league". Now my question is simply this: is his present problem due to his "philosophy" or lack of personnel? I tend to lean towards the latter. And I have a second question: If Wenger is granted the same level of financial backing as a Mourinho, Pellegrini, LVG or even a Brendan Rodgers, and he is forced to spend money on top class players, would he not win the league title, year in year out? The fact of the matter is, Wenger desperately needed a striker this summer, given Giroud's injury. He didn't go for a Cavani. He didn't go for a Falcao. He didn't go for a Benzema. Instead he went for Welbeck, an above average striker at best. We all know philosophy alone doesn't win you games, rather it makes you a team. You still need special players to create that individual moment of brilliance for you when things aren't going your way. The reason why I think he should be respected is because I see that potential in him, as we have all seen in the past. What I despise is when he is compared to Mourinho, an individual with little to no philosophy. Someone who tends to go into big games trying to disrupt the opponents style of play rather than impose his own. If every team in the PL played like Mourinho's Chelsea, it would be a nightmare indeed.
AlexBatak
10 years ago
Wenger's philosophy is expired long time ago, he is living in the past with a mediocre tactics. I'm not trying to insult Wenger but he is no Mourinho, Ancelotti, Sir. Alex, Guardiola, Löw, Simone or even Klopp. He is too stubborn to learn from his mistakes, therefore he will always be the specialist in failure. I respect him as a man of his age, but I think it's time for him to retire. Arsenal would be much better without him under any of these mangers. To think about he is not spending that's not true he signed up big names in the last years but since his tactics are very strict he will never get a result.
Lodatz
10 years ago
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@TheGame:
"The reason why I think he should be respected is because I see that potential in him, as we have all seen in the past"
I don't disagree with you on that at all. You're right, and that is one reason I certainly DO respect him; we can see what he has achieved, even if what he achieved has fallen short of desires. :)
But, at the same time, I think he has invited criticism from the Arsenal faithful (and also pundits in the English press) by insisting so often that his way is the ONLY way, or the 'right' way. Hanging your balls our like that comes at a very large risk. Guardiola conquered the world with his ball-hanging, whereas Wenger conquered only England, for a few years alongside United. In short: he has not backed up what his balls claimed.
These are reasons I select, not to disrespect Wenger, but to simply point out that he failed to move with the times, and has been stuck within his ways for too long, now.
I don't know why you went after Mourinho next, though. I think Mou is one of the freshest breaths of air that European football has ever happened, and all the more so because it took place at the same time as Guardiola's dominance. Mourinho has reminded the world, at every club he's managed, that passion and intelligence can conquer everything. That playing smartly, and efficiently, can defeat the most mouth-watering array of talent set against you.
At Porto, he tamed and humbled the cream of Europe to win the Champions League.
At Chelsea he utterly conquered the English league, and started a new era in English football.
At Inter he took the local champions, and conquered Europe once more.
At Madrid he tamed the beast of Barcelona and showed the league how to play against them.
And now, back at Chelsea, he is reclaiming his PL throne, and looking to the CL once again.
Mou inspires drive and a desire to win, using what talents you have to overcome any adversary. I don't know why anyone would choose to take issue with him for it.
@TheGame:
"The reason why I think he should be respected is because I see that potential in him, as we have all seen in the past"
I don't disagree with you on that at all. You're right, and that is one reason I certainly DO respect him; we can see what he has achieved, even if what he achieved has fallen short of desires. :)
But, at the same time, I think he has invited criticism from, the Arsenal faithful (and also pundits in the English press) by insisting so often that his way is the ONLY way, or the 'right' way. Hanging your balls our like that comes at a very large risk. Guardiola conquered the world with his ball-hanging, whereas Wenger conquered only England, for a few years alongside United.
These are reasons I think not to disrespect Wenger, but to simply point out that he failed to move with the times, and has been stuck within his ways for too long, now.
I don't know why you went after Mourinho next, though. I think Mou is one of the freshest breaths of air that European football has ever happened, and all the more so because it took place at the same time as Guardiola's dominance. Mourinho has reminded the world, at every club he's managed, that passion and intelligence can conquer everything. That playing smartly, and efficiently, can defeat the most mouth-watering array of talent set against you.
At Porto, he tamed and humbled the cream of Europe to win the Champions League.
At Chelsea he utterly conquered the English league, and started a new era in English football.
At Inter he took the local champions, and conquered Europe once more.
At Madrid he tamed the beast of Barcelona and showed the league how to play against them.
And now, back at Chelsea, he is reclaiming his PL throne, and looking to the CL once again.
Mou inspires drive and a desire to win, using what talents you have to overcome any adversary. I don;'t know why anyone would choose to take issue with him for it.
@TheGame:
"The reason why I think he should be respected is because I see that potential in him, as we have all seen in the past"
I don't disagree with you on that at all. You're right, and that is one reason I certainly DO respect him; we can see what he has achieved, even if what he achieved has fallen short of desires. :)
But, at the same time, I think he has invited criticism from, the Arsenal faithful (and also pundits in the English press) by insisting so often that his way is the ONLY way, or the 'right' way. Hanging your balls our like that comes at a very large risk. Guardiola conquered the world with his ball-hanging, whereas Wenger conquered only England, for a few years alongside United.
These are reasons I select, not to disrespect Wenger, but to simply point out that he failed to move with the times, and has been stuck within his ways for too long, now.
I don't know why you went after Mourinho next, though. I think Mou is one of the freshest breaths of air that European football has ever happened, and all the more so because it took place at the same time as Guardiola's dominance. Mourinho has reminded the world, at every club he's managed, that passion and intelligence can conquer everything. That playing smartly, and efficiently, can defeat the most mouth-watering array of talent set against you.
At Porto, he tamed and humbled the cream of Europe to win the Champions League.
At Chelsea he utterly conquered the English league, and started a new era in English football.
At Inter he took the local champions, and conquered Europe once more.
At Madrid he tamed the beast of Barcelona and showed the league how to play against them.
And now, back at Chelsea, he is reclaiming his PL throne, and looking to the CL once again.
Mou inspires drive and a desire to win, using what talents you have to overcome any adversary. I don't know why anyone would choose to take issue with him for it.
@TheGame:
"The reason why I think he should be respected is because I see that potential in him, as we have all seen in the past"
I don't disagree with you on that at all. You're right, and that is one reason I certainly DO respect him; we can see what he has achieved, even if what he achieved has fallen short of desires. :)
But, at the same time, I think he has invited criticism from, the Arsenal faithful (and also pundits in the English press) by insisting so often that his way is the ONLY way, or the 'right' way. Hanging your balls our like that comes at a very large risk. Guardiola conquered the world with his ball-hanging, whereas Wenger conquered only England, for a few years alongside United. In short: he has not backed up what his balls claimed.
These are reasons I select, not to disrespect Wenger, but to simply point out that he failed to move with the times, and has been stuck within his ways for too long, now.
I don't know why you went after Mourinho next, though. I think Mou is one of the freshest breaths of air that European football has ever happened, and all the more so because it took place at the same time as Guardiola's dominance. Mourinho has reminded the world, at every club he's managed, that passion and intelligence can conquer everything. That playing smartly, and efficiently, can defeat the most mouth-watering array of talent set against you.
At Porto, he tamed and humbled the cream of Europe to win the Champions League.
At Chelsea he utterly conquered the English league, and started a new era in English football.
At Inter he took the local champions, and conquered Europe once more.
At Madrid he tamed the beast of Barcelona and showed the league how to play against them.
And now, back at Chelsea, he is reclaiming his PL throne, and looking to the CL once again.
Mou inspires drive and a desire to win, using what talents you have to overcome any adversary. I don't know why anyone would choose to take issue with him for it.
seymorebutts_66
10 years ago
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Wenger has gone on too long. Sir Alex had the knack to reinvent and rebuild on the run hence his success, something Wenger doesn't have in my opinion. Wenger, you are the weakest link....Goodbye.
PLEASE TAKE Guardiola, I want Jupp Heynckes back from retirement
Take Guardiola please, I want Jupp Heynckes back from retirement
Wenger has gone on too long. Sir Alex had the knack to reinvent and rebuild on the run hence his success, something Wenger doesn't have in my opinion. SO TAKE Guardiola please, I want Jupp Heynckes back from retirement
Marcus2011
10 years ago
Dynastian98
10 years ago
Absolutely spot on about Wenger, @Lodatz.
TheGame
10 years ago
@Lodatz, I went after Mourinho, because you mentioned how Arsenal always seems to get "destroyed" by Chelsea.
Mourinho has reminded the world, at every club he's managed, that passion and intelligence can conquer everything. That playing smartly, and efficiently, can defeat the most mouth-watering array of talent set against you.
Mou inspires drive and a desire to win, using what talents you have to overcome any adversary. I don't know why anyone would choose to take issue with him for it.
How do these two statements prove anything? It is not like Mourinho didn't have a "mouth-watering array of talent" at his own disposal as well. It is actually very interesting the way you worded those phrases, almost echoing the victimization mentality that Mourinho himself utilizes to rally his team in times of pressure. That WE are the underdogs, not THEM, even though he has had amazing players to work with at Chelsea, Inter and Madrid. Certainly more so than Wenger. In fact, I believe that Wenger's so-called philosophy of football is what keeps Arsenal in the top 4 year in year out, a thousand-fold more so than the players he works with. I am in no way denying that Mourinho is a top class manager, just that it is not a fair comparison to judge two teams solely based on head to head results. Especially when you consider that Mourinho is currently in the driest spell of his career, almost 3 years since his last trophy, while Wenger did win the FA cup last year, something that apparently everyone seems to have forgot.
Marcus2011
10 years ago
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@lodatz +1
Mourinho part .
I don't understand how many don't give him enough credit . In 2010 going into Madrid to become their manager in the League where Barcelona were bossing their dominance was equivalent of man going into cage with a Lion . Guess , what like you said he tamed them . Team that everyone widely considered as one of the greatest and some as the greatest club assembled , after one seasons started to fall short against Mourinho's Madrid .
No one knew how to beat Barcelona. ( well Chelsea kind knew too , but that was work of Mourinho in 2004-2007 laying foundation to a machine that worked without him ) However , Mourinho figured it out and made Barcelona fear Madrid . I remember how confident Barca played against Real . So cocky with cheeks and flicks , but it changed literally after two or three matches .
I think that is why players like Xavi still moan about how Mourinho destroyed Spain , because Spain was Barcelona ( 8 players if I am not mistaken were starting during their dominance ) . When everyone saw how to play against Barcelona they also implemented same tactics against Spain .
Back to Chelsea , his work in 2004-2007 was so immense that following managers never changed anything much at all . In 2010 Semi final against Inter , he arrogantly said that even line up and tactics are still the same and he beat us twice away and home . Basically saying to Chelsea I created you and I will destroy you . Even though Chelsea of 2010 was very descent contenders for CL .
He goes 3 years without trophy ( cuz of things that happened in Madrid dressing room and was rebuilding Chelsea without striker ) and everyone thinks he is on decline and how they were right that he is overrated . Ridiculous . A lot of top managers would have wished to go not more than 3 years without trophy ( because he will get at least one trophy this year for sure ) . Wenger wins FA Cup almost loosing it Hull City after 8 years and suddenly he is back and better than Mourinho. Sorry , Mourinho had several football philosophies depending on a opponent and the league and it takes a year to adapt to get it going . While Wenger's philosophy, well he got one in 1996 and stuck to it till these days. We all see how that is working out . Mourinho left the league and came back to EPL only again to Find that Wenger still fighting for top four rather than title. Give Mourinho squad that Arsenal has and watch Jose turn into monster in matter of a year .
I just feel this man deserves way more praise then he is getting . And yes , it is unfair to compare Wenger to Mourinho , because with all due respect to mr Wenger but Mourinho surpassed him . One day Jose will get his deserved recognition when everyone will look back and analyze things he has done throughout his career in top leagues . People are like that, they truly appreciate greatness only when it's gone .
@lodatz +1
Mourinho part .
I don't understand how many don't give him enough credit . In 2010 going into Madrid to become their manager in the League were Barcelona were bossing their dominance was equivalent of man going into cage with Lion . Guess , what like you said he tamed them . Team that everyone widely considered as one of the greatest and some as the greatest club assembled , after one seasons started to fall short against Mourinho's Madrid .
No one knew how to beat Barcelona. ( well Chelsea kind knew too , but that was work of Mourinho in 2004-2007 laying foundation to a machine that worked without him ) However , Mourinho figured it out and made Barcelona fear Madrid . I remember how confident Barca played against Real . So cocky with cheeks and flicks , but it changed literally after two or three matches .
I think that is why players like Xavi still moan about how Mourinho destroyed Spain , because Spain was Barcelona ( 8 players if I am not mistaken were starting during their dominance ) . When everyone saw how to play against Barcelona they also implemented same tactics against Spain .
Back to Chelsea , his work in 2004-2007 was so immense that following managers never changed anything much at all . In 2010 Semi final against Inter , he arrogantly said that even line up and tactics are still the same and he beat us twice away and home . Basically saying to Chelsea I created you and I will destroy you . Even though Chelsea of 2010 was very descent contenders for CL .
He goes 3 years without trophy ( cuz of things that happened in Madrid dressing room and was rebuilding Chelsea without striker ) and everyone thinks he is on decline and how they were right that he is overrated . Ridiculous . A lot of top managers would have wished to go not more than 3 years without trophy ( because he will get at least one trophy this year for sure ) . Wenger wins FA Cup almost loosing it Hull City after 8 years and suddenly he is back and better than Mourinho. Sorry , Mourinho had several football philosophies depending on a opponent and the league and it takes a year to adapt to get it going . While Wenger's philosophy, well he got one in 1996 and stuck to it till these days. We see how that is working . Mourinho left the league and came back to EPL only again to Find that Wenger still fighting for top four rather than title. Give Mourinho squad that Arsenal has and watch Jose turn into monster in matter of a year .
I just feel this man deserves way more praise then he is getting . And yes , it is unfair to compare Wenger to Mourinho , because with all due respect to mr Wenger but Mourinho surpassed him . One day Jose will get his deserved recognition when everyone will look back and analyze things he has done throughout his career top leagues . People are like that, they truly appreciate greatness only when it's gone .
@lodatz +1
Mourinho part .
I don't understand how many don't give him enough credit . In 2010 going into Madrid to become their manager in the League where Barcelona were bossing their dominance was equivalent of man going into cage with Lion . Guess , what like you said he tamed them . Team that everyone widely considered as one of the greatest and some as the greatest club assembled , after one seasons started to fall short against Mourinho's Madrid .
No one knew how to beat Barcelona. ( well Chelsea kind knew too , but that was work of Mourinho in 2004-2007 laying foundation to a machine that worked without him ) However , Mourinho figured it out and made Barcelona fear Madrid . I remember how confident Barca played against Real . So cocky with cheeks and flicks , but it changed literally after two or three matches .
I think that is why players like Xavi still moan about how Mourinho destroyed Spain , because Spain was Barcelona ( 8 players if I am not mistaken were starting during their dominance ) . When everyone saw how to play against Barcelona they also implemented same tactics against Spain .
Back to Chelsea , his work in 2004-2007 was so immense that following managers never changed anything much at all . In 2010 Semi final against Inter , he arrogantly said that even line up and tactics are still the same and he beat us twice away and home . Basically saying to Chelsea I created you and I will destroy you . Even though Chelsea of 2010 was very descent contenders for CL .
He goes 3 years without trophy ( cuz of things that happened in Madrid dressing room and was rebuilding Chelsea without striker ) and everyone thinks he is on decline and how they were right that he is overrated . Ridiculous . A lot of top managers would have wished to go not more than 3 years without trophy ( because he will get at least one trophy this year for sure ) . Wenger wins FA Cup almost loosing it Hull City after 8 years and suddenly he is back and better than Mourinho. Sorry , Mourinho had several football philosophies depending on a opponent and the league and it takes a year to adapt to get it going . While Wenger's philosophy, well he got one in 1996 and stuck to it till these days. We see how that is working . Mourinho left the league and came back to EPL only again to Find that Wenger still fighting for top four rather than title. Give Mourinho squad that Arsenal has and watch Jose turn into monster in matter of a year .
I just feel this man deserves way more praise then he is getting . And yes , it is unfair to compare Wenger to Mourinho , because with all due respect to mr Wenger but Mourinho surpassed him . One day Jose will get his deserved recognition when everyone will look back and analyze things he has done throughout his career top leagues . People are like that, they truly appreciate greatness only when it's gone .
@lodatz +1
Mourinho part .
I don't understand how many don't give him enough credit . In 2010 going into Madrid to become their manager in the League where Barcelona were bossing their dominance was equivalent of man going into cage with a Lion . Guess , what like you said he tamed them . Team that everyone widely considered as one of the greatest and some as the greatest club assembled , after one seasons started to fall short against Mourinho's Madrid .
No one knew how to beat Barcelona. ( well Chelsea kind knew too , but that was work of Mourinho in 2004-2007 laying foundation to a machine that worked without him ) However , Mourinho figured it out and made Barcelona fear Madrid . I remember how confident Barca played against Real . So cocky with cheeks and flicks , but it changed literally after two or three matches .
I think that is why players like Xavi still moan about how Mourinho destroyed Spain , because Spain was Barcelona ( 8 players if I am not mistaken were starting during their dominance ) . When everyone saw how to play against Barcelona they also implemented same tactics against Spain .
Back to Chelsea , his work in 2004-2007 was so immense that following managers never changed anything much at all . In 2010 Semi final against Inter , he arrogantly said that even line up and tactics are still the same and he beat us twice away and home . Basically saying to Chelsea I created you and I will destroy you . Even though Chelsea of 2010 was very descent contenders for CL .
He goes 3 years without trophy ( cuz of things that happened in Madrid dressing room and was rebuilding Chelsea without striker ) and everyone thinks he is on decline and how they were right that he is overrated . Ridiculous . A lot of top managers would have wished to go not more than 3 years without trophy ( because he will get at least one trophy this year for sure ) . Wenger wins FA Cup almost loosing it Hull City after 8 years and suddenly he is back and better than Mourinho. Sorry , Mourinho had several football philosophies depending on a opponent and the league and it takes a year to adapt to get it going . While Wenger's philosophy, well he got one in 1996 and stuck to it till these days. We see how that is working . Mourinho left the league and came back to EPL only again to Find that Wenger still fighting for top four rather than title. Give Mourinho squad that Arsenal has and watch Jose turn into monster in matter of a year .
I just feel this man deserves way more praise then he is getting . And yes , it is unfair to compare Wenger to Mourinho , because with all due respect to mr Wenger but Mourinho surpassed him . One day Jose will get his deserved recognition when everyone will look back and analyze things he has done throughout his career top leagues . People are like that, they truly appreciate greatness only when it's gone .
My fellow footyroom users with all the hate Wenger is getting at Arsenal, I wanted to see what my fellow Arsenal supporters feel. The banner below is self explanatory
My question to you is how many of you actually want Wenger out? I mean he has not won a trophy for the past 10 odd years, but you guys consistently year in and year out make it to top 4, and hence UCL.
Who would you replace Wenger with? I mean, lets say you get some one like Moyes (like we did) what are your odds of making it to top 4? If you say Klopp, think again, he is not leaving Dortmund. United would have gotten him if he did say he wanted to leave. Guardiola would probably come with enough money.
If you think top 4 is that easy, ask Liverpool who spent 3-4 years out of UCL, and that hurt their chances to sign better players. Other clubs like CFC, Arsenal, and even Tottenham hijacked several of their deals.
The guy got you a brand new stadium with almost 0 debt. Show me another coach who does this or can do this on a limited budget, and still get you into UCL year in and year out.
People complain that Wenger does not want to pay high wages to players. I agree to this. I can not comment on it completely, but don't you think he was given a budget set by the board?
How many other clubs won EPL since 2004? UCL? FA Cup? League Cup?
I do not think you should ask the guy to leave the club after all he didn for you. I think there are other ways you can show your displeasure.
As a Man Utd supporter, I respect Wenger. I would not loose him as a ncoach for my club. The only issue I have with him is not buying a decentn striker or not paying over the odds for once to get a good striker. nBesides that, I don't and can't have a real issues with him till he nfails to get you UCL year in and year out.
Think of this fact: At the end of each season, there are usually at least 15 other teams that would trade their spot with Arsenal gladly. Would you rather be part of the other 15?